NCAA Football 10 News Post

NCAA Football 10 Rosters Issue

06:11 PM - June 10, 2009 by Russell_Kiniry_EA

Hey guys... so we are aware of the issue with no (or few) freshmen on some teams in TeamBuilder and yes the same issues are found on the NCAA 10 disc. Over the past few days, one of our top priorities has been investigating solutions.

The TeamBuilder teams require some data on the disc to set Depth Charts for every team created before they can be used in a game. For example if you use the Cupcake roster as a starting point, NCAA 10 will give you a default Depth Chart for the Cupcakes for your TeamBuilder team (which you can edit in game). This means any changes we make could cause some problems with teams already created using TeamBuilder. So we need to ensure we are taking to proper steps to correct the issues.

We understand the concerns with how this can affect Dynasty mode and Online Games, so we are working hard to have a solution in place before launch on July 14th.

-Russ

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# 261 countryboy @ 06/11/09 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hey_Rebby


	I can't understand why some people have this attitude. That's it's acceptable that EVERY year EA releases an NCAA game with MAJOR flaws. It would be one thing if a mistake like this happened once every five years, but it happens EVERY YEAR, at least on next-gen. And I purchased a PS3 specifically to play my (used to be) favorite game, NCAA Football. Every year I curse the video game gods for coming up with Next Gen.

Where did I say it was acceptable?

# 262 coogrfan @ 06/11/09 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DookieMowf


	So, they made two sets of rosters? right... I'm glad I will be away for a few days and won't be able to pick up NCAA until the weekend after it releases. I might be able to hold off on buying it.

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Originally Posted by stevedrumsdw


	TWO sets of rosters, this puzzled me as well?

I'm not surprised, no one who's ever tried to edit the rosters would be.

Generally, you start with a blank slate (no names), edit a few teams, and save as a new file. You then do a few more teams, and save another new file with a slightly different name (instead of overwriting the previous save). The first save might be "roster1", the next would be "roster2", etc.. As you progress you can delete the oldest files, but you always want to have at least two (a base save and the one you are updating). That way you always have something to fall back on if something disastrous happens (i.e. the game crashes).

I'm guessing that the person(s) doing this year's roster file either mislabled a file or misread the file name and loaded the wrong one. If so it's inexcusable, but hopefully the situation can be rectified before the game ships. If it isn't, I will be passing on NCAA for the first time ever (I go back to the Bill Walsh Sega Genesis days).

# 263 Ziza9Noles94 @ 06/11/09 11:58 AM

Still not seeing how 09 was trash. 08 on Now Gen, yeah. Aside from pursuit angles, defensive line issues, sliders, and certain recruiting quirks, I thought it was a great game. Now this pain in the $$ issue aside, I believe they have worked on the pursuit angles, fixed the defensive line pressure, tweaked recruiting again, and made improvements to ai. Don't know about the sliders because I don't have the game yet. I guess if you think it's trash, why buy it every year? This new roster headache is bad, yes. Potentially very bad for some. But I disagree that it is part of another year of trash. Now, stupid wide receivers that can't seem to get their acts together and stay out of trouble, the media's constant man-love fest with Timmy T, that's all trashy, but I digress....

# 264 Drocks @ 06/11/09 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by nstod


	I'm pretty sure there's more to it than just "reloading" TB. Adam has said as much, and Russ said the incorrect rosters are "on the disc". Also, Russ is trying to fix this, but I am positive it's not his fault. Like any big software company, I'm sure EA has an SCM group overseeing the software releases. I work for a large software company, and things can get screwed up BIG TIME with SCM. It's a shame no one caught it after it went through SCM, but in all honesty, it's not too surprising to me whatsoever.

Yeah, and really, if it's the case that the wrong roster file was built on the "final" disc, is it that hard to believe that they could miss the fact that they're not completely accurate, specifically with fake players? I mean, especially if it's a process you've done for years, you just don't expect this to happen. It's extremely disappointing and really quite unacceptable this would happen, but in reality, it is not hard to believe it could happen. I'll tell you what though, if they're unable to make this happen, some ish is gonna go down with the team I'm sure.

# 265 nstod @ 06/11/09 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by coogrfan


	I'm not surprised, no one who's ever tried to edit the rosters would be. Generally, you start with a blank slate (no names), edit a few teams, and save as a new file. You then do a few more teams, and save another new file with a slightly different name (instead of overwriting the previous save). The first save might be "roster1", the next would be "roster2", etc.. As you progress you can delete the oldest files, but you always want to have at least two (a base save and the one you are updating). That way you always have something to fall back on if something disastrous happens (i.e. the game crashes). I'm guessing that the person(s) doing this year's roster file either mislabled a file or misread the file name and loaded the wrong one. If so it's inexcusable, but hopefully the situation can be rectified before the game ships. If it isn't, I will be passing on NCAA for the first time ever (I go back to the Bill Walsh Sega Genesis days).

Seeing as though this is a professional organization, my guess would be that they use version control on stuff like this. As he saves it, the system automatically creates a new version, and saves all of the previous versions.

Someone that made the build of the game (in the SCM group), probably just pulled the wrong version. This wouldn't be the first time this has happened, or the last. It happens VERY frequently, actually. When you have multiple parts to a project, all with different versions, and different baselines, this kind of stuff is common. It's just too bad no one caught it.

# 266 notoriouzwun @ 06/11/09 11:59 AM

My guess is that before mentioned roster guy was trying so hard to please the people on here who nit pick at the small stuff by making sure that QB #15 on their favorite college team had the same hairy mole on the right cheek of his buttocks. That just naturally he forgot to put some people in, take some out, or just created some people for fun.

Its easy to have forgotten when you have to make sure WR#19 have the same gold tooth and scar over his left eye.

All jokes aside...I'll try and be optimistic about it all since the sky is falling for everyone else.

# 267 pgtrain42 @ 06/11/09 12:05 PM

How about this as a temporary fix while we wait

Would we be able to use teambuilder to edit the ratings and names of players on our favorite NCAA team and send it to someone who would keep track and then put it in the game in a roster file? Sure it might be a little biased for everyone's fave team but it might end up being better than the solution the developers for EA (might) come up with. And i mean, we're not really doing anything right now except wait. Anyone else on board with this idea? Cause Syracuse's rosters are the exact same as last year, and they haven't changed anyones positions or added any of our (horrible) freshmen yet.

# 268 Security Device @ 06/11/09 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by michiganboy2412


	QFT. Just from looking at Michigan's roster, positions were wrong, players that were there shouldn't have been, other players were missing, etc. And don't even get me started on the ratings. They are notoriously bad and biased (even I'll admit Michigan is normally overrated), but they seem way, way inflated this year, much more than normal.

Please explain. Who is missing? What ratings are wrong? I haven't had time to look though it. What have you noticed about the Maize & Blue?

# 269 coogrfan @ 06/11/09 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nstod


	Seeing as though this is a professional organization, my guess would be that they use version control on stuff like this. As he saves it, the system automatically creates a new version, and saves all of the previous versions. Someone that made the build of the game (in the SCM group), probably just pulled the wrong version. This wouldn't be the first time this has happened, or the last. It happens VERY frequently, actually. When you have multiple parts to a project, all with different versions, and different baselines, this kind of stuff is common. It's just too bad no one caught it.

Interesting stuff. The fact that some of the TB rosters have been updated leads credence to the "wrong file theory".

# 270 TJdaSportsGuy @ 06/11/09 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by notoriouzwun


	My guess is that before mentioned roster guy was trying so hard to please the people on here who nit pick at the small stuff by making sure that QB #15 on their favorite college team had the same hairy mole on the right cheek of his buttocks. That just naturally he forgot to put some people in, take some out, or just created some people for fun. Its easy to have forgotten when you have to make sure WR#19 have the same gold tooth and scar over his left eye. All jokes aside...

Where was the joke in there?

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Originally Posted by pgtrain42


	How about this as a temporary fix while we wait Would we be able to use teambuilder to edit the ratings and names of players on our favorite NCAA team and send it to someone who would keep track and then put it in the game in a roster file? Sure it might be a little biased for everyone's fave team but it might end up being better than the solution the developers for EA (might) come up with. And i mean, we're not really doing anything right now except wait. Anyone else on board with this idea? Cause Syracuse's rosters are the exact same as last year, and they haven't changed anyones positions or added any of our (horrible) freshmen yet.

Could you please stop posting the same thing in this thread? You've suggested this at least twice already within the same thread. Please stop.

# 271 pgtrain42 @ 06/11/09 12:20 PM

How about you leave a comment that actually suggests a fix or keeps with the discussion instead of whining about other people's posts.

# 272 Hey_Rebby @ 06/11/09 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by countryboy


	Where did I say it was acceptable?

You didn't. But your tone in the post (and other posts about EA's flaws) have give that impression (at least to me). We shouldn't be in a position to "hope for the best" and "what's done is done." Not EVERY year!

Sorry, I just can't believe this is happening, again.

# 273 Security Device @ 06/11/09 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kerrigjl


	Vanderbilt's #6, Dalron Spead, has graduated. Others have posted other examples. There are several more for Vanderbilt, including missing freshmen, players who simply don't - and have never - existed, and at least 3 starters who aren't in the game. For teams whose rosters aren't perfect, they're atrocious, and that makes playing as our favorite team as annoying as a mosquito bite - tolerable, but you know something ain't right and it bugs the hell out of you.

Spead was a Junior last year

# 274 countryboy @ 06/11/09 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hey_Rebby


	You didn't. But your tone in the post (and other posts about EA's flaws) have give that impression (at least to me). We shouldn't be in a position to "hope for the best" and "what's done is done." Not EVERY year! Sorry, I just can't believe this is happening, again.

So I should start bashing EA, slamming the devs, and basically throw a temper tantrum on a message board, in order to show that I'm disappointed that this is indeed an issue?

I don't like this situation anymore than the next person on this forum, but I just choose to remain optimistic that something will be done to remedy the situation. No amount of bashing, slamming, or insults is going to change whats been done nor the situation as it stands.

And if something isn't done, then I'll make decision then on whether or not the game is worth the price of admission.

# 275 marcoyk @ 06/11/09 12:31 PM

WOW!! I just logged on Teambuilder to see for myself how wrong the rosters are. I'm doing UNC and using the 2009 UNC Media Guide. Like everyone's been saying: freshman aren't there, seniors are still there, wrong numbers and positions, etc.
There's also another problem. Please tell me they aren't restricting names because of supposed offensive language. There's a guard named Mike ****s on UNC. I can't put his last name... SWEET EA!!! I'm hoping this is only for Teambuilder.

# 276 marcoyk @ 06/11/09 12:35 PM

I just finished the UNC rosters and there are 16 players that had the wrong numbers and positions. I'm now going to try to get all of the remaining players on the Media guide and see if they fit into the descriptions of those 16 wrong Teambuilder players.

# 277 TJdaSportsGuy @ 06/11/09 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pgtrain42


	How about you leave a comment that actually suggests a fix or keeps with the discussion instead of whining about other people's posts.

How about you let the moderators of this forum decide what's worth posting and what isn't? Let's go ask one...

...oh wait! I AM one!

PS - Sorry for derailing the thread. Carry on.

# 278 PIKE55ZB @ 06/11/09 12:37 PM

I think what the devs are seeing is that their game isn't played by the casual football fan or the fan looking for an arcade version of college football. The vast majority of people who buy this game are your 17-35 year old men who are either currently in college or alumni or just huge college fans. They need to start developing a game for this age group and not the casual gamer that so many developers are jumping on these days. WE deserve a better college football game. PERIOD. We should get an ESPN like presentation, accurate rosters, accurate ratings, accurate gameplay and have everything MADDEN has but in a college form. Come on EA, realize who your major audience is and give them what they want.

# 279 elbens01 @ 06/11/09 12:37 PM

I just got on registered at this site and I want to reinterate that the Disc Rosters far outweigh the Teambuilder teams I have made. I would rather not have teambuilder at all than to have completely inaccurrate team rosters on the game.

Hell Nebraska has one kid on the team from last years recruiting class yet we somhow managed to keep Marlon Lucky. This is freaking rediculous. I have already decided that I am done buying EA's NCAA Basketball and just stick with 2K8 since they better gameplay and their Legacy mode is significantly more indepth. EA sports is losing me one game at a time due to these horrendous mistakes.

# 280 jrod1981 @ 06/11/09 12:43 PM

The good thing is, the size of this thread in the short amount of time is definately showing the NCAA devs how important the rosters are to making this game worthwhile. Hopefully this gets fixed, i'm sure it will.

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