NCAA Football 10 News Post

NCAA Football 10 Rosters Issue

06:11 PM - June 10, 2009 by Russell_Kiniry_EA

Hey guys... so we are aware of the issue with no (or few) freshmen on some teams in TeamBuilder and yes the same issues are found on the NCAA 10 disc. Over the past few days, one of our top priorities has been investigating solutions.

The TeamBuilder teams require some data on the disc to set Depth Charts for every team created before they can be used in a game. For example if you use the Cupcake roster as a starting point, NCAA 10 will give you a default Depth Chart for the Cupcakes for your TeamBuilder team (which you can edit in game). This means any changes we make could cause some problems with teams already created using TeamBuilder. So we need to ensure we are taking to proper steps to correct the issues.

We understand the concerns with how this can affect Dynasty mode and Online Games, so we are working hard to have a solution in place before launch on July 14th.

-Russ

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# 321 jp2 @ 06/11/09 05:07 PM

Speaking from the perspective of someone who has been around awhile, and has worked for several Fortune 500 companies - goof ups like this, and FAR worse, happen all the time. They typically are addressed, and usually resolved, in some manner.

I'm more intrigued as to whether they will revisit the idea of being more involved with the NCAA gaming community though, at least in terms of message boards. Posters on this site and NCAAStrategies make up a tiny fraction of the folks who buy this game. I suppose I see a benefit for them during the early build process to get feedback, but after that, I'm not sure what they get from all this. Not only do they have bosses to answer to you, but they're getting an unrelenting beating from what seems to be a community of posters with the patience and tolerance of five year olds.

You think they haven't had last minute bugs in the past? EA has given the community more access and visibility into how these games are made....be careful what you wish for

# 322 JoshCA916 @ 06/11/09 05:08 PM

ok i guess i am a little confused as to what the real problem is, if the game hasn't gone gold they haven't started to mass produce the game as of yet so they won't be losing money on making all new discs. they are saying the game shipped with the wrong rosters but EA hasn't said the game has gone gold so i don't get that one. now as for issue if they update the roster file for the disk and bringing a TB team on the game would mess it up i am lost also because isn't downloading a TB team just like downloading somebody's roster from the EA locker and you making changes to it? i mean i know last year i had maybe 4 different rosters on my ps3 and you could change rosters when you saw fit. so can somebody please explain to me why this isn't an easy fix?

# 323 Herky @ 06/11/09 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jp2


	Speaking from the perspective of someone who has been around awhile, and has worked for several Fortune 500 companies - goof ups like this, and FAR worse, happen all the time. They typically are addressed, and usually resolved, in some manner. I'm more intrigued as to whether they will revisit the idea of being more involved with the NCAA gaming community though, at least in terms of message boards. Posters on this site and NCAAStrategies make up a tiny fraction of the folks who buy this game. I suppose I see a benefit for them during the early build process to get feedback, but after that, I'm not sure what they get from all this. Not only do they have bosses to answer to you, but they're getting an unrelenting beating from what seems to be a community of posters with the patience and tolerance of five year olds. You think they haven't had last minute bugs in the past? EA has given the community more access and visibility into how these games are made....be careful what you wish for

I think the answer is simple. Hardcore gamers are being left out in the cold more and more these days. NCAA will still sell even if it's done half-assed and that's what counts for companies. Sales might dip, but I doubt the people on here mad about issues will hurt them much. Look at how bad Madden 08 was on next gen. It still sold.

Money makes the world go round and hardcore gamers (sadly) is not the main source of income for these companies. I like the developers being here, but they still have an agenda when they make games.

# 324 Ziza9Noles94 @ 06/11/09 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bangpow


	If blame is going to be placed on anyone, it's not the roster guy's fault. I'm sure there's a central place where all the files are stored and whoever's job it is to grab the current files to send to print is the one that messed up. Seriously, do you think that the roster maker would spend all that time making sure the rosters are as accurate as can be and then send the wrong file?

Probably an intern or someone's assistant.

# 325 Ziza9Noles94 @ 06/11/09 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jbdeuce


	I'm just going to say thanks EA dev team for trying to find a solution to the roster issue and I wish you well on correcting the problem. I for one am not panicking because I deal with issues in my life often. For example, my light bill might be due on the 13th and I don't get paid until the 15th, but my kid had a medical emergency that exhausted my light bill money on the 4th and its now the 7th. I have time between the 7th and the 13th to FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION. I could give many more examples but my point is this. The game did not RELEASE with the wrong roster, teambuilder did, and I didn't and am not using that feature. The EA team is aware of the problem and has time to find and implement a solution. So there is no need for me to get on this thread and complain. But if the game releases with F'ed up rosters.....I'll be opening up that can of whip a$$. So my comments are on ice until July 14th.

+1.

# 326 nstod @ 06/11/09 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jp2


	Speaking from the perspective of someone who has been around awhile, and has worked for several Fortune 500 companies - goof ups like this, and FAR worse, happen all the time. They typically are addressed, and usually resolved, in some manner. I'm more intrigued as to whether they will revisit the idea of being more involved with the NCAA gaming community though, at least in terms of message boards. Posters on this site and NCAAStrategies make up a tiny fraction of the folks who buy this game. I suppose I see a benefit for them during the early build process to get feedback, but after that, I'm not sure what they get from all this. Not only do they have bosses to answer to you, but they're getting an unrelenting beating from what seems to be a community of posters with the patience and tolerance of five year olds. You think they haven't had last minute bugs in the past? EA has given the community more access and visibility into how these games are made....be careful what you wish for

It's amazing how the few of us who actually know how things like this work have a completely different response to the problem than the 15-17 year olds on the board.

If an SCM manager got fired for every screw up like this, the world would be void of SCM managers. And stuff like this happens on things much, MUCH more serious than a silly video game.

# 327 RynoAid @ 06/11/09 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by nstod


	And stuff like this happens on things much, MUCH more serious than a silly video game.

yup.. like in the Airbus A330 autopilot software source code...

# 328 Boulton26 @ 06/11/09 05:40 PM

I was very excited about Team Builder, and other various tweaks in the game.

But, simply put, if the game ships with bad rosters and the solution EA comes up with isn't acceptable, I won't be purchasing NCAA 10.

Current economic times are forcing people to make drastic changes to disposable income in their budgets. If NCAA 10 ships with a glaring issue, regardless of who did what and how it happened, INFORMED consumers will make appropriate decisions. The sad part is, which has been touched on before in the thread, is that many potential buyers won't know about the roster problem should an acceptable solution not be applied.

# 329 kdeal4 @ 06/11/09 05:51 PM

I have 4 teams I have created on TeamBuilder that I love! However, I would much rather have great rosters when the game releases than to have my teams on TeamBuilder stay up. I can always recreate the team.

I think if EA would let the community know that they will be shutting down the teambuilder site and give up a week or less to write down all the uniform combinations, I believe that would be a good solution so we have a good roster set at release. I still have all my logos that I will be using for teambuilder, so I'm not worried.

The only bad thing will be if a bunch of people have edited rosters on teambuilder. I have done this on one of my teams, but once again, I'd much rather have a nice set of rosters than to have my one team of rosters not deleted.

I am not panicking. I know this will be fixed and I'm extremely greatful for the community for finding the problem with the rosters.

I want to give thanks to the Community for finding the issue and I also want to give EA thanks for listening to the community and (attempting to) resolving the issue.

# 330 coogrfan @ 06/11/09 06:03 PM

Here's something interesting: Adam edited his initial post in this thread (#29) a couple hours ago to remove his statement about the wrong rosters possibly having been loaded.

I wonder why?

# 331 lesco543 @ 06/11/09 06:11 PM

what ever happened to color shoes?

# 332 ebarws6 @ 06/11/09 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lesco543


	what ever happened to color shoes?

We got windsocks even better

You know for those saying that EA like can't do roster updates because of the whole "not real" issue, well they update the rosters before every year, so i just don't see why they can't just do a roster patch to fix these screwed up rosters. Though, if that's the only thing EA does, it will suck for those who don't have internet.

# 333 KleShreen @ 06/11/09 06:27 PM

Here's what I find most mind-boggling:

EA obviously has money. They have proven that, mostly in the companies they buy up.

They hired a "new roster guy." What exactly is he paid to do? I GUARANTEE that if you give me TWO WEEKS, I would have the most accurate roster set possible on the entire game, and if you paid me to sit in the EA studios for 8 hours a day after that, it would stay the most accurate as I would sit there going through every team message board finding out who has left/is coming, etc.

So I just want to find out...what are the roster people at EA actually paid to do? They made it sound like, for years now, that they have a guy (or group?) of people who are paid only to work on rosters/ratings. I'm assuming that is their only task.

I realize that a "Screw-up" may have happened and that there very well may be a great set of rosters hidden somewhere on the hard drive of an EA-owned computer, but I just highly doubt it, and it makes me question what exactly EA is trying to relay to the community when they BRAG about things like "We've got a new hotshot roster guy for next year" and then anything like this happens. Where is the QC? I'm just tired of giving EA free passes, I guess is the moral of the story. They have the money. They have the resources. They have the time. They just choose on their own to not make the most of it and I think that that is painfully clear now.

I'm not going to take the easy out and say thanks to EA for trying to find a resolution, because a.) it shouldn't have been an issue in the first place, and b.) they're not looking for a resolution. The EA Devs won't be found until after the game drops, they'll make some piddly post about "releasing an update soon," and then we won't see them until next March when they start pimping up something else that won't work.

# 334 OMT @ 06/11/09 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by coogrfan


	Here's something interesting: Adam edited his initial post in this thread (#29) a couple hours ago to remove his statement about the wrong rosters possibly having been loaded. I wonder why?

Because people are taking that at face value of what happened. I was saying that MIGHT have been what happened, so I removed that info to hopefully clear up misinformation.

# 335 coogrfan @ 06/11/09 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam_Thompson_EA


	Because people are taking that at face value of what happened. I was saying that MIGHT have been what happened, so I removed that info to hopefully clear up misinformation.

Ahhh...gotcha. We are sorta grasping at every little nugget of info and running with it.

# 336 da ThRONe @ 06/11/09 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by leetdemon


	While i am not pleased with the issues that seem to happen year after year, I do appreciate adam coming in here and manning up. He does not have too, he choses too. That being said, is a fix near Adam?

True I respect any man willing to step up and take there medicine!

# 337 nstod @ 06/11/09 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe


	True I respect any man willing to step up and take there medicine!

The funny thing is it's not even his medicine. It wasn't him, or a subordinate under him. He's taking the heat for something someone else did. Props to him.

# 338 Geauxldenboy @ 06/11/09 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by nstod


	The funny thing is it's not even his medicine. It wasn't him, or a subordinate under him. He's taking the heat for something someone else did. Props to him.

That's true. I wonder if Adam ever directs the responsible parties to this board so that they can see how the community feels about their work.

# 339 hawkeyes73 @ 06/11/09 06:54 PM

May I suggest to the fine people of EA sports to purchase a large white marker board. On this marker board you should place every single task that needs to be done and or FIXED for NCAA 11(i.e. uniforms right colors, rosters as updated as possible) After a task is complete and is in 100% working order then and only then should it be removed from the list. I have a hunch that this should limit the amount of silly mistakes that have been made year after year. Also for being "next gen" you still haven't been able to achieve some of the features that exist on PS2(i.e. medical redshirts, formation subs, and discipline). Thank god for season showdown though

Better luck next year.

# 340 da ThRONe @ 06/11/09 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nstod


	The funny thing is it's not even his medicine. It wasn't him, or a subordinate under him. He's taking the heat for something someone else did. Props to him.

EA is a team if one person mess up they all mess up! There is no I in EA! But yeah that goes double time for standing up for somebody else mess!

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