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Madden NFL 10 Blog: The Importance of an Early Community Day (New Screenshot Included

05:59 PM - April 13, 2009 by Ian_Cummings

Check out the new Madden NFL 10 blog. This one features the importance of an early community day.

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	"On April 10, we flew in 8 of the most hardcore Madden fans for a marathon testing day to get an extremely early look at our Alpha build and provide feedback based on where the game is thus far. You may ask, �What is new about this? Haven�t you had community events in the past?� Yes, we have done these before, but there are some key differences."

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# 241 coach_ruckus @ 04/14/09 01:07 AM

NYyank
have you ever played real football?

# 242 floridagatorfan @ 04/14/09 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by coach_ruckus


	ok lets go back. now lets talk football101 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJrZRGmCiJA now watch that and let me know if any of these were answered at Ea madden day #2 have you ever played football in high school or just any football im not trying to be funny but have you. once you answer that ill go on

What's funny is after watching that you don't come across as arrogant as you have from your posts on the forums. If you gave this same approach on the forums things would probably be much less heated and actual intelligent conversations about the game rather than a bunch of bickering back and forth.

Rather than posting how stupid of questions people are asking and how much they love hand towels, post some of the questions you would like to see addressed or specific examples of the "x's and o's" that make All Pro better than Madden because I would agree that right now All Pro has the best gameplay of any football game.

This could at least get something productive done and maybe even get Ian in here making responses and listening. However, the way these last few pages have been going with basically just jabs back and forth with people calling each other stupid, if I were Ian I wouldn't bother looking at the rest of this thread.

edit: it took me so long to make this post there have already been multiple comments so hopefully this is already happening

# 243 mKoz26 @ 04/14/09 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MRxAmazing


	Madden 10 accessories What we DO have: -Towels -Primary/Secondary TC Gloves -HANDWARMERS! -Flak Jacket? [referring to the Matt Hasselbeck SS] -Spats? [referring to the Michael Clayton SS] What we DON'T have [or aren't aware of]: -Eye black -Neck pads -More cleat styles and TC cleats. -New mouthpieces -New chinstraps -Loose sleeves -Half sleeves -http://tinyurl.com/df8thj Is there ANY chance we'll see some of this stuff in Madden 10? Stuff like eye black, TC cleats, and neckpads I can't believe aren't in as of now. I think that's crazy. Being a Giants fan, I KNOW where Tuck is at all times because I always see that neck roll. I feel like I could be missing some stuff, so add to it if I did.

That Jamarcus Russell picture is just a cut up peice of under armour. That ain't no accesory

# 244 Valdarez @ 04/14/09 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by NYyankz225


	First of all, besides the fact that I had not meant blind in a visual sense, but simply as a metaphorical way of showing an understanding of how games are made, I hope I didn't offend you by my comment. Blindness is nothing to joke about and I know some close people who suffer from eye related issues that makes their life hell. Obviously I had no idea about your situation but I hope I didn't cause you to be upset.

Nahhh, no worries there. Most people don't believe me when I tell them as I still play sports, tons of video games, and sit in front of a monitor all day long (which doesn't help, thank goodness for 65" TVs and 26" monitors!).

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Originally Posted by NYyankz225


	This branching and layered animation system will play a big part in the new pileup feature.

I read about the branching mechanism last year, but I'm not really sure where it came into play in the game. It might be there, but if it is, the game speed makes it impossible for me to discern it from the game in general. To be fair, I only played Madden for one week, and about 12 to 15 games into the season (couldn't finish it) just long enough to get my 1000 points. That's all I could take of the game (no offense), so I don't claim to know Madden all that well, but I think I know APF2K8 better, or at least as good, as anyone in the community.

# 245 lgxjames @ 04/14/09 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian_Cummings_EA


	Please read my posts in this thread. We have obviously made drastic changes in many areas related to blocking. What that means in game development is often a total re-write or scrapping of much of the code that was previously used. This is like the 4th or 5th post saying the same thing - that we should have addressed X, Y, or Z from DAY ONE and I guess I understand the concern but it's frustrating because we DID address it from day one. But nothing from before applies anymore...when you scrap old systems you have to re-tune everything. Second, as for 'warping' and 'suction', those terms are used inside our company differently from what you all use them as. Suction as you know it is all but eliminated on tackles and wraps and such. Catch warping as you know it has been improved drastically from last year...but there is still some stuff that we're working on. IMO major improvement to something that has been a problem in the Madden series for the past 4 years can't be a "game killer", but I can understand your concern.

Im starting to wonder how you do it, How do you even maintain sanity with all this, I would have just stop showing up...Infact before every post you reply to Ian you should paste in a picture of the previous regime just as a reminder what we are transitioning from, Maybe then ppl will relax a little and understand this is a process and not a magic marker

# 246 NYyankz225 @ 04/14/09 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Valdarez


	I think the difference that it sounds like you are looking at it from a software perspective, itemizing the defects based on criticality (for some reason I want to say Flawless Victory now... but I digress) as you warrant it. The gamers are obviously going to rank these items differently, based on their expectations / desires. When you say 'warp' catch, to me that's the defensive superman float interception, where the DB slides in the air floating one to two yards towards the ball, even though their body movement may have had them going in an opposite direction. That's what I'm calling Warp, and that's in my top 10 list of items that break Madden, and ruin the passing game for me. Is my definition different from what you have labeled as a Warp?

It can certainly mean both, but I'm sure Ian would consider any inconsistency in distance between two animations/objects as warping. Ie a ball in the air at eye level "warping" to a player's hands in front of his chest, or, as you mentioned, a player's catch animation "warping" him to location of the ball. Hopefully Ian answers this in more depth though and I'm curious how he solved the issue of the latter.

# 247 coach_ruckus @ 04/14/09 01:13 AM

floridagatorfan im trying to make a point. if i said anything mean im sorry but let be real men here. Im asking these guys have they played real football and no one who loves maddden wont answer.

# 248 g2thecore @ 04/14/09 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by floridagatorfan


	What's funny is after watching that you don't come across as arrogant as you have from your posts on the forums. If you gave this same approach on the forums things would probably be much less heated and actual intelligent conversations about the game rather than a bunch of bickering back and forth. Rather than posting how stupid of questions people are asking and how much they love hand towels, post some of the questions you would like to see addressed or specific examples of the "x's and o's" that make All Pro better than Madden because I would agree that right now All Pro has the best gameplay of any football game. This could at least get something productive done and maybe even get Ian in here making responses and listening. However, the way these last few pages have been going with basically just jabs back and forth with people calling each other stupid, if I were Ian I wouldn't bother looking at the rest of this thread. edit: it took me so long to make this post there have already been multiple comments so hopefully this is already happening

I agree with you. Which is the reason why I replied to him in the first place. I had a problem with his overall tone and his approach to things. I never denied his knowledge of the game, nor did I call him stupid.

I stopped commenting when I noticed things were getting out of hand and we weren't coming to an agreement.

# 249 floridagatorfan @ 04/14/09 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by coach_ruckus


	floridagatorfan im trying to make a point. if i said anything mean im sorry but let be real men here. Im asking these guys have they played real football and no one who loves maddden wont answer.

I'd fix that double negative in the last sentence. Sorry couldn't resist just finished editing a research paper so I'm in my English Lit mode.

# 250 streamline @ 04/14/09 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mKoz26


	That Jamarcus Russell picture is just a cut up peice of under armour. That ain't no accesory

hahaha jamarcus can't afford an accessory like that, but he has a pad on protecting his elbow. i forget if he injured it this season or last season by hitting his elbow on the helmet of one of his guards.

# 251 Valdarez @ 04/14/09 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by NYyankz225


	It can certainly mean both, but I'm sure Ian would consider any inconsistency in distance between two animations/objects as warping. Ie a ball in the air at eye level "warping" to a player's hands in front of his chest, or, as you mentioned, a player's catch animation "warping" him to location of the ball. Hopefully Ian answers this in more depth though and I'm curious how he solved the issue of the latter.

I'm sure Ian has a better feel for what the community wants as a whole. I can only represent what I want.

When I played Madden '09 the warping was WAY toned down from '08, but it was still there. I won't be able to enjoy '10 if I read a zone, see a defenders movement / momentum, throw a perfect ball, only to have the defender stop on a dime, jump up in the air, and float two yards to make the INT. That is a game breaker for me, because that affects the passing game which is a good 25% to 50% of the game (depending on how you play).

My feelings towards EA are pretty well known, and they aren't good, but I am impressed with the amount of information they are providing, the blogs from Ian, and the EA teams overall willingness to engage with the community. It's smart business, smart development practices, and while it won't guarantee a better product, it greatly increases the odds that we'll see one.

# 252 coach_ruckus @ 04/14/09 01:29 AM

mac plex you say you played football? ok then answer this........ what game have you been in were the qb gets the snap and wr gets the ball after the snap? or what game have you been in that your qb ran 30 yards back and hit a wr down the field? Any one who plays football knows thats not IN THE GAME anyone who watches football knows the same. but most of you kids dont see that your too happy over towels.

# 253 streamline @ 04/14/09 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by coach_ruckus


	mac plex you say you played football? ok then answer this........ what game have you been in were the qb gets the snap and wr gets the ball after the snap? or what game have you been in that your qb ran 30 yards back and hit a wr down the field? Any one who plays football knows thats not IN THE GAME anyone who watches football knows the same. but most of you kids dont see that your too happy over towels.

im pretty sure that is called passing

# 254 coach_ruckus @ 04/14/09 01:34 AM

streamline if you can film yourself running back 30 yards and chucking the ball 70 the other way ill send you 100.00. but like i said most of you kids like cheating Now dont get me wrong EA is doing a few good things but If they ever made the game sim People wouldnt play it. because in order to play real football you have to know Xs and Os. not just get a snap and run a million miles back and chuck the ball

# 255 NFLHITMAN @ 04/14/09 01:36 AM

The problem with Madden Fans and 2K Fans is there is a big difference in the kind of people who play it.

Madden IMO was made for kids and had very easy controls and gameplay. No real football knowledge needed.

2K5/2K8 was made for the real football fan. This game is much harder to learn because it is like real football. You can't take a kid and put him in the starting 11 on a football team and expect him to be any good without learning the game. 2K makes you have to learn real football physics and more just to play the game and because of this it caters to the more Adult crowd.

Honestly if I had to rate anything that Madden has above APF 2K8 right now it would be easy because there is only 1...

Madden wins in......

Graphics

ESPN 2K5 / APF 2K8 wins in......

Game Play
Animation
Physics
X's & O's
Commentary
Customization
Playbooks
and the most important thing is ONLINE LEAGUES!

Madden 09 Online Leagues were laughable but when you can have 2K online leagues where they provide free of charge a site dedicated to your league with player stats, record of game & more.

When talking to a 2K fan you should understand what we see can be done. With what has already been done years ago still has not made it on Madden even though they have the most money and the NFL License makes it very frustrating for a NFL / Gamer fan.

# 256 streamline @ 04/14/09 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by coach_ruckus


	streamline if you can film yourself running back 30 yards and chucking the ball 70 the other way ill send you 100.00. but like i said most of you kids like cheating Now dont get me wrong EA is doing a few good things but If they ever made the game sim People wouldnt play it. because in order to play real football you have to know Xs and Os. not just get a snap and run a million miles back and chuck the ball

you didnt know im jamarcus russell?? better open up your wallet big boy.

# 257 coach_ruckus @ 04/14/09 01:37 AM

HIT MAN WINS game over but hitman they are happy over towels and not asking the real sim questions great post hitman

# 258 coach_ruckus @ 04/14/09 01:41 AM

LOLOL show me a play were he ran back 30 yards. then hit a perfect pass down the field please show me. now if jamarcus russell can how come every qb in madden 09 can do the same thing

# 259 Valdarez @ 04/14/09 01:41 AM

Most importantly, both games lose in the cheerleader department. I can't believe there's not one Madden team member willing to put in some quality time, long hours, and extra detail on the ladies. Blitz: The League wins there.

# 260 coach_ruckus @ 04/14/09 01:42 AM

like i said you cant answer the question. its all good

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