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Madden 09 News Post

Well as I post this it’s officially been exactly two weeks since Madden officially launched, and wow it sure has been a busy time for us. I truly hope everyone is enjoying the game, and I wanted to drop an update on some things we’ve been working on for our 2nd patch. We feel that without a doubt this encapsulates the top issues we’re hearing from the forums and community leaders, and hope that this list truly makes Madden NFL 09 the ultimate sports game for you.
  1. Kicking play disconnect: If two opponents play a game with two different camera angles, in any situation where a game winning or tying kick was to be made, a disconnect could occur. “ActionCam” forces the game to go into slow-motion to add drama to these late kicks, but unfortunately the Classic camera does not, thus forcing the “disconnect”. This has been fixed…and FYI all cameras will still be able to be used after the patch.
    Workaround until the patch: If possible, ensure that you and your opponent have the same camera type chosen before starting an online game.
  2. Stability issues in the play call / halftime highlights / postgame highlights screens (especially in Franchise mode after training games): This was a hard one to track down as not everyone was seeing it , we did find the issue however with some Instant Replay / cache corruption, and have a fix ready for patch 2.
    Workaround until the patch: Save and re-boot after any point where you have entered the game. We learned that the likelihood of this issue appearing is magnified after multiple loads into and out of the game engine. From what we’ve seen so far, people that have tried playing only one game at a time (or even one Franchise training session at a time), and saving/rebooting afterwards, have had zero crashes.
  3. Stability issues with Madden IQ end of game popup: This has been fixed.
    Workaround until the patch: Always choose “No” at the Madden IQ end of game popup.
  4. “WR direct snap” exploit: Cheesers found an exploit to direct snap to a WR for easy short yardage gain. Not only are we fixing this play (i.e. we aren’t removing it), we are also going to be re-setting records for anyone with a winning record that has been found to be using this play.
  5. Franchise Progression / Regression (or lack thereof): The lack of higher numbers was a tuning value that I think everyone agreed was just too low. This has been juiced up so you should see more realistic progression now.
  6. Edited players don’t progress: Players were not progressing after their jersey number (or pretty much any other attribute) was edited. This has been fixed.
  7. Stability issue when exiting Madden ’93 in CE version: This has been fixed.
  8. Deep ball glitch: Some enterprising gamers found a way to throw a deep ball while crossing the LOS and hit a receiver wide open at a decent rate. We addressed this by making sure the DB will no longer break on the ball when the QB crosses the line while throwing.
  9. CPU running out of bounds: This bug appears when the CPU tries to switch hands while running to the sidelines. This is fixed for patch 2.
  10. Penalty sliders ineffective: A common complaint from the hardcore community was the lack of effect from the penalty sliders. We increased these substantially for patch 2.
  11. Field degradation: Another common complaint was the lack of field degradation. Our effect was very subtle, which was also getting overshadowed by our lighting and post effects, so we increased this effect for the patch.
  12. Stability issue with the Eagles and a full ring meter: We found and fixed a rare issue where the gamer could run into stability issues while using the Eagles in mini-games with a ring meter that was completely full.
  13. Play call screen hitch: We found and fixed a bug that was causing a noticeable hitch when exiting the play call screen
  14. Prevent Defense issue: We found and fixed an issue where defenders sharing a deep zone/prevent assignment would loosen their coverage (because they thought the other guy was covering for them), which allowed the receiver to get behind them even though they were in Prevent.
  15. Brett Favre stats: With the late addition of Brett Favre, we were not able to get his Career and Season statistics into the game for the roster update. This has now been added for patch 2.
  16. Defensive Preplay Mis-cue: We found and fixed an issue where defenders would leave their man wide open in a Cover 3.
  17. CPU quick-snap: A very common complaint on the forums was the speed at which the CPU snapped the ball. We added a random length of time (no less than 5 seconds) for the CPU to wait and even make pre-play adjustments.
  18. Online playbook switch: We fixed a small annoying little issue where playbooks were re-setting to the defaults after the playbook select popup was closed.
I hope this makes everyone quite happy. :-)

The patch is being tested as I write this and will be sent off for verification in the morning, so we are targeting less than a 3 week turnaround from today for this to hit the general public. (Woohoo!) We will also make sure to provide updates as the patch progresses through the 3rd party approval process. As a side note, as of this moment there have been no changes to database schema, so you won’t have to re-start your Franchise or delete any files.

It makes us very stoked to be able to make this many changes for a patch, and do them based directly on community feedback. There are always going to be folks that are upset if what they felt was a top issue wasn’t addressed, but I’ll state again (as I have before) that we have to keep balancing this work against Madden NFL 2010. The longer we keep going on patches, the less we can add to the following year’s product. On a side note, there is also a Franchise stability issue that we have been investigating, and we are working feverishly to get this figured out. We will update on that issue as soon as we can. As for the items above, I personally feel that we have hit a very good balance of top items because many of these issues can actually detract from an enjoyable experience, which is obviously the last thing we want.

And now that this patch is nearly out the door, I figured I’d drop some more good news… We have officially started building the TOTALLY FREE “Sim Madden Gamer” DLC pack, which includes Accelerated Clock, a “Classic” Controller Configuration, CPU Sliders, and Community Gamerpics for 360. I’ll state again that there’s no promise that this goes through, but we have nearly every one of these features actually ‘done’ internally, so now we have to figure out how to get Microsoft and Sony to allow us to release them.

Thanks everyone – keep the feedback coming, and let's keep this train a-rollin'!

Ian Cummings
Senior Designer, Madden NFL 2010

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# 81 Coach Bryant @ 08/26/08 10:11 AM
Thank you EA!
 
# 82 blkprince04 @ 08/26/08 10:13 AM
thanks for the good news Ian and EA.............
 
# 83 Meazza @ 08/26/08 10:16 AM
Wow. That is a very long list of things to fix on a game that literally just came out. I don't think I've ever experienced this with any game before
 
# 84 Kohlstar20 @ 08/26/08 10:22 AM
Great news unless your a hardcore franchise guy like me. Im sorry but unless the freezing in the menus of franchise is fixed i.e. while trying to save and when simulating games during the week then all these other things don't do jack for me.
 
# 85 Likwidkewl @ 08/26/08 10:24 AM
If MS denies the DLC and Sony approves it, my 360 copy will be going back to the store for the PS3 version.
 
# 86 mavfan21 @ 08/26/08 10:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thehitokiri
does this mean i have to restart my franchise for the patch to work ?? like the progression thing?? i edited some numbers and added visors to some of my players.

READ the last 2 paragraphs.....
 
# 87 mavfan21 @ 08/26/08 10:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Likwidkewl
If MS denies the DLC and Sony approves it, my 360 copy will be going back to the store for the PS3 version.

That won't happen. They're not stupid.
 
# 88 TJdaSportsGuy @ 08/26/08 10:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Meazza
Wow. That is a very long list of things to fix on a game that literally just came out. I don't think I've ever experienced this with any game before
LOL, you new to gaming?

http://2ksports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154454

http://www.ubi.com/US/Downloads/Info.aspx?dlId=2026

http://compsimgames.about.com/od/the...ims2_patch.htm

Or software in general?

http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=206903046

http://www.cnet.com.au/mobilephones/...9291418,00.htm
 
# 89 mavfan21 @ 08/26/08 10:36 AM
I have been as critical as anyone these last 2 weeks and haven't played Madden since Wednesday the 13th because I ONLY play Franchise Mode and with the Progression/editing glitches it was unplayable to me.

I am very happy and impressed these issues have been resolved along with the many others listed. I don't understand how people can complain about what wasn't in the patch, they did a GREAT deal of work for 2 weeks time. I can't wait to start playing again when this patch drops.

I understand that there's other issues that some people still need to be addressed BUT I hope they appreciate what we ARE getting. This is not the usual efficiency and customer service we are used to getting from EA. I for one greatly appreciate this new more transparent and professional way they are doing business. They are listening to the consumer and working to perfect the product. Will they get to everything this year? Maybe not but I have a MUCH better feeling about reserving Madden 2010 (which I'm sure will have a much improved Franchise Mode).

Thanks to Ian and everyone else involved.
 
# 90 Brandwin @ 08/26/08 10:43 AM
Wow, can't wait to get the patch.
 
# 91 smonee @ 08/26/08 10:48 AM
thx Ian - we fran only players really needed something done....we were able to make it though last years fran mode, but when we powered it on this year we were speachless when we saw the same glitches......
when you say:
On a side note, there is also a Franchise stability issue that we have been investigating, and we are working feverishly to get this figured out. We will update on that issue as soon as we can.
does that mean the freezing issue in season 2010 is not going to be fixed? this issues is as important as any other. there is no such thing as a two year dynasty. Please include this issue in patch 2! thx Shawn
 
# 92 jvaccaro @ 08/26/08 10:59 AM
Yes, thank you EA! This is all very good news, however I have one question...

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFuture15
... “Sim Madden Gamer” DLC pack, which includes Accelerated Clock, a “Classic” Controller Configuration, CPU Sliders, and Community Gamerpics for 360 ...
Does this sentence mean that just those gamerpics are only for the 360, or the entire DLC? I know this isn't finalized yet, but I'd hate to think it means us PS3 users could be left out.
 
# 93 boooey @ 08/26/08 11:03 AM
Thanks for opening the communication lined with your customers Ian. that much is very appreciated!!

but.. I kind of have a problem with your statement below

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFuture15
but I’ll state again (as I have before) that we have to keep balancing this work against Madden NFL 2010. The longer we keep going on patches, the less we can add to the following year’s product.
so, what would you like us as consumers who buy your product to do here? Just accept an incomplete game, and move on to hoping next year is better?
How about hiring some more people maybe and get it right the first time?

Don't get me wrong, I am thrilled that we are even able to directly communicate with EA now, but to suggest that we are holding you back from working on Madden 2010 because you are trying to fix a broken Madden 09 just does not work for me.

This is not the consumer's problem, and you should not be making a statement like this.

thats all and many thanks again for the open line of communication! we really needed this, as successful patch #2 is proof
 
# 94 asu666 @ 08/26/08 11:05 AM
Some of the issue addressed in the patch should make a world of difference. Here's to hoping that they are on the disc next year.
 
# 95 ab2c4 @ 08/26/08 11:08 AM
http://www.easports.com/madden09/ful...twoweek_update

I have two quetions about this:

1. "And now that this patch is nearly out the door, I figured I'd drop some more good news... We have officially started building the "Sim Madden Gamer" DLC pack, which includes Accelerated Clock, a "Classic" Controller Configuration, CPU Sliders, and Community Gamerpics for 360."

They talk about the DLC like it will only be available for the 360, unless it is just misleading. Will it be available for the ps3 also?

2. "We have officially started building the "Sim Madden Gamer" DLC pack, which includes......."

So, is EA saying that Madden is officially an arcade football now, and if you want it to be a Sim game you need the DLC?

Other than that, all I can say is if they don't/can't put the cpu sliders back in the game I will be selling it. I still can't believe they intentionally left the sliders out in the first place. I hope they anounce soon if we will be getting the cpu sliders because as it is now my copy of Madden 09 is collecting dust waiting on this. It just isn't playable from a Sim standpoint without those cpu sliders. Trust me, I have tried to make it work with just the human sliders and it just isn't happening (**end of mini rant).

I also understand that the more time they spend on patches the less time they spend on 2010. However, how can they not patch and finish 09? Are they actually saying "we know 09 has more problems and is unfinished but we don't care, we are moving on to next years game and all of the people who bought 09 are suckers!!!!"
 
# 96 ab2c4 @ 08/26/08 11:12 AM
They should just forget about adding new features for next year and worry about perfecting the AI. Make the game play perfectly when you are playing against the cpu in our offline Franchise games. Once they get the gameplay and AI as good as possible, then worry about adding a new feature or two.

I feel so burned by EA there is no way I am pre ordering another Madden or NCAA game. I will let everybody else beta test and hear their impressions/complaints/compliments on future games before I buy a copy myself. I refuse to buy any other EA games, even shooters, after what just happened with Madden and NCAA this year. Fortunately, EA doesn't have an exclusive contract deal with the military and therefore other companies can continue putting out shooters that I can buy.
 
# 97 Tyrant8RDFL @ 08/26/08 11:12 AM
Thxs for the Patch Ian and other involved we appreciate it. This has never really happened in the past and having it happen now is a nice thing to see.

I dont know if anyone has mentioned this and maybe it can be adjusted in 2010 or maybe in a 3rd patch I dont know, but the players momentum is to much in this game. NFL athletes have great agility all around and in every position, and if everyone has it then it will be a even playing field. Also the sideline catch from the Wr's or anyone catching the ball. NCAA has this down nicely and I only saw it once in madden , can this be corrected to happen alot more frequent?

Thxs Take care
 
# 98 kt-od @ 08/26/08 11:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kohlstar20
Great news unless your a hardcore franchise guy like me. Im sorry but unless the freezing in the menus of franchise is fixed i.e. while trying to save and when simulating games during the week then all these other things don't do jack for me.
Agreed. I like to play franchise. If I can't get past the third year, then this patch is pointless for me.

But I am glad to see that they are responding to the community with this patch. It just shows you that they do read these forums. Good job EA for responding to some major concerns.
 
# 99 ab2c4 @ 08/26/08 11:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jhawkmike
I hear you. I won't be buying Madden or NCAA on Launch day next year either. I feel let down by the game review websites too. None of them did a very thorough job with these games.
I normally like IGN but I feel very mislead by their reviews. There is no way they played Madden or NCAA very much if they didn't see the problems and all of the left out features in the games this year. If they did they should have lowered the review scores A LOT.
 
# 100 prince_dog @ 08/26/08 11:27 AM
Great patch information! Thanks Ian and EA.

Is there any plan to bring back the Fair Play option online in a patch, or for 2010? That definitely made the online experience better and more realistic.
 


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