Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

[BigDofBA]

Lets not jump to conclusions becuase Utah beat an overrated Bama team.

Florida and USC are still better than Utah. I've been saying those are the two best teams since the pre-season and I'm not going to change. Even then, Oregon State and TCU had Utah dead in the water and Utah somehow found a way to win. Michigan even had a great chance at beating Utah.

With that said, I think Utah might be able to beat anyone except USC/Florida.

[MassNole]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cebby

Yes. Oregon St was in the same position in 2008 as they were in 2008, and Hawaii won 11 games. They played nearly identical schedules.

Here is the difference though, when Utah beat Oregon State, they were coming off of their win vs. USC. The Oregon State team that lost at the end of the year, who was in the driver's seat to win the Pac 10 before losing key players before the Oregon game. We should hold this win in the same regard as we would hold Penn States, as this happened in a 4 week span. It is different when looking at the reality of the season.

[MassNole]

Quote: Originally Posted by BigDofBA

Lets not jump to conclusions becuase Utah beat an overrated Bama team. Florida and USC are still better than Utah. I've been saying those are the two best teams since the pre-season and I'm not going to change. Even then, Oregon State and TCU had Utah dead in the water and Utah somehow found a way to win. Michigan even had a great chance at beating Utah. With that said, I think Utah might be able to beat anyone except USC/Florida.

How can you justify that? Utah beat the team who beat USC and just beat Alabama by more than Florida did. In what world could they not reasonably beat Florida or USC?

[Chip Douglass]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cebby

Yes. Yes. Oregon St was in the same position in 2008 as they were in 2006, and Hawaii won 11 games. They played nearly identical schedules.

Hooray! A misleading stat. Hawaii won 11 games, but they won 11 games playing an inferior schedule. Their equal win total to TCU is completely irrelevant in Hawaii's case when their best win came against...7-6 Purdue. TCU beat an undefeated Boise Team and 10 win BYU.

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If you mean just sticking them ahead of OU and Florida with OU and Florida keeping the same margins, then yes, they would have been in the game.

'06 Chokie's best win came against a 9 win Nebraska team. In fact, they didn't even beat a team with 10 wins. '08 Bama murdered 11 win Georgia and beat 10-4 Ole Miss.

Try again.

[Cebby]

Quote: Originally Posted by MassNole

Here is the difference though, when Utah beat Oregon State, they were coming off of their win vs. USC. The Oregon State team that lost at the end of the year, who was in the driver's seat to win the Pac 10 before losing key players before the Oregon game. We should hold this win in the same regard as we would hold Penn States, as this happened in a 4 week span. It is different when looking at the reality of the season.

They were both 4 loss Oregon St teams that started 2-3, were a game from winning the PAC 10 with a tiebreaker over USC, and are only notable for home wins against USC.

There's no real difference between the two teams.

[Cebby]

Quote: Originally Posted by Olson-for-Heisman

Hooray! A misleading stat. Hawaii won 11 games, but they won 11 games playing an inferior schedule. Their equal win total to TCU is completely irrelevant in Hawaii's case when their best win came against...7-6 Purdue. TCU beat an undefeated Boise Team and 10 win BYU.

You didn't qualify anything. You said:

"and an 11 win team?"

They beat an 11 win team, so I answered yes.

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'06 Chokie's best win came against a 9 win Nebraska team. In fact, they didn't even beat a team with 10 wins. '08 Bama murdered 11 win Georgia and beat 10-4 Ole Miss.

You're overestimating UGA and Ole Miss' win totals by 1.

UGA and Ole Miss combined to win 19 games.

Nebraska and TAMU combined to win 18 games.

Alabama's top 5 wins won 41 games.

Oklahoma's top 5 wins won 41 games.

[BigDofBA]

Quote: Originally Posted by MassNole

How can you justify that? Utah beat the team who beat USC and just beat Alabama by more than Florida did. In what world could they not reasonably beat Florida or USC?

Simple. Just by watching the teams play it's evident that USC and Florida have superior talent.

Penn State destroyed Oregon State but that didn't mean Penn State was better than USC. Bama beat Ole Miss but that didn't mean Bama was better than Florida.

[superjames1992]

They should be the National Champions, but they won't be. A PLAYOFF is needed obviously.

Quote: Originally Posted by Olson-for-Heisman

Odd, since I do remember you saying quite a while ago that '06 Oklahoma "was among one of the worst BCS teams ever."

That would be 2004 Pittsburgh. That team plain sucked.