NBA 2K11: Starting Five Roster Ratings

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2K Sent us the overall ratings for every player in each team's starting five. Give the list a look through and let us know what you think! Did 2K rate your team right? Any surprises? Let us know!

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# 441 jeebs9 @ 09/24/10 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by J_Posse512


	Durant has surpassed Carmelo, IMO. They are both a little too geared toward offense (read: one-dimensional), but Durant is the superior defender and rebounder. Carmelo has the advantages of being more athletic, physically stronger and has a superior post-up game.

I was going to agree with your post until you said that...lol

Durant and Melo are the same players...number wise....rebounds,points,steals, blocks and anything else you can bring up.

Then said Durant was a superior defender and rebounder....SMH

Post-up game is what keeps these guys different....Thats it....

# 442 jeebs9 @ 09/24/10 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by J_Posse512


	How is that? Isn't it a calculation of the various individual ratings combined to give a overall value of the player (which is weighted for each position)? This is after all a computer program and a bunch coding/numbers, so wouldn't the overall number always matter?

Computer?.....lol

You just took the idea around block and back and went to Mars lol...

I'm human...when I play with Melo it feel like I'm watching Melo and controlling him on a Live TV game. Same goes for Durant.

# 443 Colts18 @ 09/24/10 02:26 PM

JPosey,

Hello. I think the 2K Sports Engineers can get away with not having an overall rating. As long as we have the specific skills for each player then there is no use for an overall rating. I see people arguing on the chatline and they are arguing about their favorite players being 1 or 2 points off.

A lot of it is immature talking in my honest gracious opinion. I honestly do not see the need for overall ratings in Sporting Video Games. I play Football Manager and it does not have an overall rating for the athletes.

If I recall correctly, NBA LIves up until NBA Live 97/98 did not have an overalls ratings.

# 444 J_Posse @ 09/24/10 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jeebs9


	I was going to agree with your post until you said that...lol Durant and Melo are the same players...number wise....rebounds,points,steals, blocks and anything else you can bring up. Then said Durant was a superior defender and rebounder....SMH Post-up game is what keeps these guys different....Thats it....

Durant averaged more rebounds, though he played one minute more, and averaged one block a game. He's a far better team defender and proved it by playing on one of the best defensive teams last season. Neither is good at creating for others, which is what makes LeBron superior to both, but Carmelo did average more assists. Kevin has more upside and is the better player, IMO.

Note: They're both reppin' Maryland, although one the B-More area and the other the P.G. county, so I enjoy both their games.

Quote:


	Computer?.....lol You just took the idea around block and back and went to Mars lol... I'm human...when I play with Melo it feel like I'm watching Melo and controlling him on a Live TV game. Same goes for Durant.

What? Your comment doesn't make sense and my post has nothing to do with Mars. The game is a computer simulation created by engineers and programmers. That doesn't mean that I think any less of the game or any game because of that. Its just the truth.

I'm human too last time I checked, but the game gets better and more "realistic" because the technology improves. Not because of the programmers' humanity or our own.

None of that changes the fact that the overall rating is still relevant.

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	I honestly do not see the need for overall ratings in Sporting Video Games. I play Football Manager and it does not have an overall rating for the athletes. If I recall correctly, NBA Live up until NBA Live 97/98 did not have an overall ratings.

There is always an overall value even if it's unseen. How would the computer know how to "grade" or rank the players otherwise?

# 445 jeebs9 @ 09/24/10 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts18


	JPosey, Hello. I think the 2K Sports Engineers can get away with not having an overall rating. As long as we have the specific skills for each player then there is no use for an overall rating. I see people arguing on the chatline and they are arguing about their favorite players being 1 or 2 points off. A lot of it is immature talking in my honest gracious opinion. I honestly do not see the need for overall ratings in Sporting Video Games. I play Football Manager and it does not have an overall rating for the athletes. If I recall correctly, NBA LIves up until NBA Live 97/98 did not have an overalls ratings.

I think 2k should really look into making them hidden. I mean we don't ratings in real life. Its all a matter of opinion. Leave the overall for the computer.

# 446 jeebs9 @ 09/24/10 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by J_Posse512


	Durant averaged more rebounds, though he played one minute more, and averaged one block a game. He's a far better team defender and proved it by playing on one of the best defensive teams last season. Neither is good at creating for others, which is what makes LeBron superior to both, but Carmelo did average more assists. Kevin has more upside and is the better player, IMO. Note: They're both reppin' Maryland, although one the B-More area and the other the PG county, so I enjoy both their games.

Its still going over your head. Maybe someone else can explain.

# 447 jeebs9 @ 09/24/10 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J_Posse512


	Durant averaged more rebounds, though he played one minute more, and averaged one block a game. He's a far better team defender and proved it by playing on one of the best defensive teams last season. Neither is good at creating for others, which is what makes LeBron superior to both, but Carmelo did average more assists. Kevin has more upside and is the better player, IMO. Note: They're both reppin' Maryland, although one the B-More area and the other the PG county, so I enjoy both their games. What? Your comment doesn't make sense and my post has nothing to do with Mars. The game is a computer simulation created by engineers and programmers. That doesn't mean that I think any less of the game or any game because of that. Its just the truth. I'm human too last time I checked, but the game gets better and more "realistic" because the technology improves. Not because of the programmers or our humanity. That still doesn't change the fact that the overall rating is still relevant.

Note:

Kevin Durant
Career				FG			3PT			FT			Rebounds			Misc
Year	Team	G	Min	M	A	Pct	M	A	Pct	M	A	Pct	Off	Def	Tot	Ast	TO	Stl	Blk	PF	PPG
2007-08	SEA	80	34:36	7.3	17.1	43	0.7	2.6	28.8	4.9	5.6	87.3	0.9	3.5	4.4	2.4	2.9	1	0.9	1.5	20.3
2008-09	OKC	74	39:00	8.9	18.8	47.6	1.3	3.1	42.2	6.1	7.1	86.3	1	5.5	6.5	2.8	3	1.3	0.7	1.8	25.3
2009-10	OKC	82	39:30	9.7	20.3	47.6	1.6	4.3	36.5	9.2	10.2	90	1.3	6.3	7.6	2.8	3.3	1.4	1	2.1	30.2
Career		236	37:42	8.7	18.8	46.2	1.2	3.3	36.1	6.8	7.7	88.3	1.1	5.1	6.2	2.7	3.1	1.2	0.9	1.8	25.3
Carmelo Anthony
				FG			3PT			FT			Rebounds			Misc
Year	Team	G	Min	M	A	Pct	M	A	Pct	M	A	Pct	Off	Def	Tot	Ast	TO	Stl	Blk	PF	PPG
2003-04	DEN	82	36:30	7.6	17.9	42.6	0.8	2.6	32.2	5	6.4	77.7	2.2	3.8	6.1	2.8	3	1.2	0.5	2.7	21
2004-05	DEN	75	34:47	7.1	16.4	43.1	0.6	2.1	26.6	6.1	7.6	79.6	1.9	3.8	5.7	2.6	3	0.9	0.4	3.1	20.8
2005-06	DEN	80	36:47	9.5	19.7	48.1	0.5	1.9	24.3	7.2	8.9	80.8	1.5	3.4	4.9	2.7	2.7	1.1	0.5	2.9	26.5
2006-07	DEN	65	38:12	10.6	22.4	47.6	0.6	2.3	26.9	7.1	8.7	80.8	2.2	3.8	6	3.8	3.6	1.2	0.3	3.1	28.9
2007-08	DEN	77	36:23	9.5	19.2	49.2	0.8	2.1	35.4	6	7.7	78.6	2.3	5.1	7.4	3.4	3.3	1.3	0.5	3.3	25.7
2008-09	DEN	66	34:30	8.1	18.3	44.3	1	2.6	37.1	5.6	7.1	79.3	1.6	5.2	6.8	3.4	3	1.1	0.4	3	22.8
2009-10	DEN	69	38:12	10	21.8	45.8	0.9	2.7	31.6	7.4	8.9	83	2.2	4.4	6.6	3.2	3	1.3	0.4	3.3	28.2
Career		514	36:30	8.9	19.3	45.9	0.7	2.3	30.8	6.3	7.9	80.1	2	4.2	6.2	3.1	3.1	1.2	0.4	3	24.7

# 448 Colts18 @ 09/24/10 02:44 PM

Jeebs,

My brother. I do not even think the overall ratings need to be hidden. There is no use for them to be honest.

For instance. If we are playing in Franchise Mode and the off-season has come upon us and the CPU controlled teams are looking for free agents to fill their rosters. Instead of looking at the highest rated player at the positions in which the have a glaring whole at, I think it would make more sense for them to select the best type of player at that position.

If the Warriors happen to need a PG during the off season and the highest rated PGs in the free agency pool at not athletic or up-and-down type point guards that fit the traditional GSW style, then what purpose did overalls rating really serve?

Now if overall rating was not there, that CPU controlled GSW team would look at specific attributes to fit their team. Shooting, Speed, Athleticism, not just an overall rating.

I think overall rating is an over-simplification that has no place in basketball games. In real life we don't see an overall rating. We see how well a player shoots, passes, dribbles, defends, and rebounds.

If a player shoots, defends, and passes well. But he is a decent dribbler, and poor rebounder, why should there be a collective assessment of his skills? All of those skills are independent of one another. So only individual attributes should be present.

I hope I made my point crystal. I am sorry for speaking so much.

# 449 J_Posse @ 09/24/10 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jeebs9

Note:

Kevin Durant

Career FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc
Year Team G Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
2007-08 SEA 80 34:36 7.3 17.1 43 0.7 2.6 28.8 4.9 5.6 87.3 0.9 3.5 4.4 2.4 2.9 1 0.9 1.5 20.3
2008-09 OKC 74 39:00 8.9 18.8 47.6 1.3 3.1 42.2 6.1 7.1 86.3 1 5.5 6.5 2.8 3 1.3 0.7 1.8 25.3
2009-10 OKC 82 39:30 9.7 20.3 47.6 1.6 4.3 36.5 9.2 10.2 90 1.3 6.3 7.6 2.8 3.3 1.4 1 2.1 30.2
Career 236 37:42 8.7 18.8 46.2 1.2 3.3 36.1 6.8 7.7 88.3 1.1 5.1 6.2 2.7 3.1 1.2 0.9 1.8 25.3
Carmelo Anthony

FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc
Year Team G Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
2003-04 DEN 82 36:30 7.6 17.9 42.6 0.8 2.6 32.2 5 6.4 77.7 2.2 3.8 6.1 2.8 3 1.2 0.5 2.7 21
2004-05 DEN 75 34:47 7.1 16.4 43.1 0.6 2.1 26.6 6.1 7.6 79.6 1.9 3.8 5.7 2.6 3 0.9 0.4 3.1 20.8
2005-06 DEN 80 36:47 9.5 19.7 48.1 0.5 1.9 24.3 7.2 8.9 80.8 1.5 3.4 4.9 2.7 2.7 1.1 0.5 2.9 26.5
2006-07 DEN 65 38:12 10.6 22.4 47.6 0.6 2.3 26.9 7.1 8.7 80.8 2.2 3.8 6 3.8 3.6 1.2 0.3 3.1 28.9
2007-08 DEN 77 36:23 9.5 19.2 49.2 0.8 2.1 35.4 6 7.7 78.6 2.3 5.1 7.4 3.4 3.3 1.3 0.5 3.3 25.7
2008-09 DEN 66 34:30 8.1 18.3 44.3 1 2.6 37.1 5.6 7.1 79.3 1.6 5.2 6.8 3.4 3 1.1 0.4 3 22.8
2009-10 DEN 69 38:12 10 21.8 45.8 0.9 2.7 31.6 7.4 8.9 83 2.2 4.4 6.6 3.2 3 1.3 0.4 3.3 28.2
Career 514 36:30 8.9 19.3 45.9 0.7 2.3 30.8 6.3 7.9 80.1 2 4.2 6.2 3.1 3.1 1.2 0.4 3 24.7

Uh, not looking at career averages but what they averaged last season. By going with that I see that Durant is a better rebounder and shot-blocker. He is a better player than Carmelo even if slightly, IMO.

# 450 jeebs9 @ 09/24/10 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts18


	Jeebs, My brother. I do not even think the overall ratings need to be hidden. There is no use for them to be honest. For instance. If we are playing in Franchise Mode and the off-season has come upon us and the CPU controlled teams are looking for free agents to fill their rosters. Instead of looking at the highest rated player at the positions in which the have a glaring whole at, I think it would make more sense for them to select the best type of player at that position. If the Warriors happen to need a PG during the off season and the highest rated PGs in the free agency pool at not athletic or up-and-down type point guards that fit the traditional GSW style, then what purpose did overalls rating really serve? Now if overall rating was not there, that CPU controlled GSW team would look at specific attributes to fit their team. Shooting, Speed, Athleticism, not just an overall rating. I think overall rating is an over-simplification that has no place in basketball games. In real life we don't see an overall rating. We see how well a player shoots, passes, dribbles, defends, and rebounds. If a player shoots, defends, and passes well. But he is a decent dribbler, and poor rebounder, why should there be a collective assessment of his skills? All of those skills are independent of one another. So only individual attributes should be present. I hope I made my point crystal. I am sorry for speaking so much.

Man Oh Man...One of the reason I come on the internet and talk about sports. I always wondered does anyone think like me....

We clearly have parents that are lying to us. Milk Man anyone? lol

# 451 Yeah...THAT Guy @ 09/24/10 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts18


	Jeebs, My brother. I do not even think the overall ratings need to be hidden. There is no use for them to be honest. For instance. If we are playing in Franchise Mode and the off-season has come upon us and the CPU controlled teams are looking for free agents to fill their rosters. Instead of looking at the highest rated player at the positions in which the have a glaring whole at, I think it would make more sense for them to select the best type of player at that position. If the Warriors happen to need a PG during the off season and the highest rated PGs in the free agency pool at not athletic or up-and-down type point guards that fit the traditional GSW style, then what purpose did overalls rating really serve? Now if overall rating was not there, that CPU controlled GSW team would look at specific attributes to fit their team. Shooting, Speed, Athleticism, not just an overall rating. I think overall rating is an over-simplification that has no place in basketball games. In real life we don't see an overall rating. We see how well a player shoots, passes, dribbles, defends, and rebounds. If a player shoots, defends, and passes well. But he is a decent dribbler, and poor rebounder, why should there be a collective assessment of his skills? All of those skills are independent of one another. So only individual attributes should be present. I hope I made my point crystal. I am sorry for speaking so much.

Well supposedly in association mode, they fixed AI logic so a team like the Warriors will look at those attributes rather than just overall.

# 452 jeebs9 @ 09/24/10 02:56 PM

^^That sounds cool^^

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Originally Posted by J_Posse512


	Uh, not looking at career averages but what they averaged last season. By going with that I see that Durant is a better rebounder and shot-blocker. He is a better player than Carmelo even if slightly, IMO.

Kevin Durant

Career

3PT

Rebounds

Misc

Year

Team

Min

Pct

Off

Def

Tot

Ast

Stl

Blk

PPG

2009-10

OKC

39:30

1.3

6.3

7.6

2.8

Carmelo Anthony

3PT

Rebounds

Misc

Year

Team

Min

Pct

Off

Def

Tot

Ast

Stl

Blk

PPG

2009-10

DEN

38:12

8.9

2.2

4.4

6.6

3.2

0.4

Nothing still hasn't changed man.

But I'm moving on....

# 453 J_Posse @ 09/24/10 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colts18


	Jeebs, My brother. I do not even think the overall ratings need to be hidden. There is no use for them to be honest. For instance. If we are playing in Franchise Mode and the off-season has come upon us and the CPU controlled teams are looking for free agents to fill their rosters. Instead of looking at the highest rated player at the positions in which the have a glaring whole at, I think it would make more sense for them to select the best type of player at that position. If the Warriors happen to need a PG during the off season and the highest rated PGs in the free agency pool at not athletic or up-and-down type point guards that fit the traditional GSW style, then what purpose did overalls rating really serve? Now if overall rating was not there, that CPU controlled GSW team would look at specific attributes to fit their team. Shooting, Speed, Athleticism, not just an overall rating. I think overall rating is an over-simplification that has no place in basketball games. In real life we don't see an overall rating. We see how well a player shoots, passes, dribbles, defends, and rebounds. If a player shoots, defends, and passes well. But he is a decent dribbler, and poor rebounder, why should there be a collective assessment of his skills? All of those skills are independent of one another. So only individual attributes should be present. I hope I made my point crystal. I am sorry for speaking so much.

At the same time, we argue about which player is "more versatile" or "complete" than the other. We look at the sum of their parts to "determine" who is a superior or inferior player. That's one reason why statistics are taken and exist. Otherwise, why don't that just keep score and remove all individual statistics.

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	Nothing still hasn't changed man. But I'm moving on....

What's even your point? I realize and agree that Carmelo is a better post-up player and is more athletic. I said that Durant is only a better shot-blocker and rebounder, but I also said that he's a better team defender. Durant is also more durable than Carmelo as well. In my opinion, that makes him (slightly) better than Carmelo. Carmelo has plateaued as a player while Kevin will continue to improve and grow.

# 454 jeebs9 @ 09/24/10 02:59 PM

^^Huh?...^^

# 455 J_Posse @ 09/24/10 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jeebs9


	^^Huh?...^^

Statistics help us determine who is best overall. Of course, physical and mental traits factor in as well. But, usually people use statistics or advanced statistics to determine the overall value of each player. So, a video game simulation should reflect that desire to "see" or determine who is best (overall and individually).

Plain and simply put to me Kevin Durant is better than Carmelo Anthony. The statistics show that he is a better rebounder, shot-blocker and shooter than Carmelo. From looking at them play, I believe that Durant is better.

# 456 AQUINNENT @ 09/24/10 03:24 PM

kevin garnett at 80 big no no he should be over 85 so you mean to tell me carlos boozer with 85 is better then garnett kevin garnett should be up there wit paul gasol and hes better then gasol

# 457 AQUINNENT @ 09/24/10 03:26 PM

andrew bynum only with 77 he should be in the 80s so you mean to tell me andrew bogut is better then andrew bynum with 82 get out of here he is better then him and one of the best Cs in the game today

# 458 jeebs9 @ 09/24/10 03:29 PM

^^How old are you?...^^

# 459 crabcola @ 09/24/10 03:39 PM

KD is one of the top 3 players in the game.

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# 460 mvspree8 @ 09/24/10 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AQUINNENT


	andrew bynum only with 77 he should be in the 80s so you mean to tell me andrew bogut is better then andrew bynum with 82 get out of here he is better then him and one of the best Cs in the game today

I think Bogut's better, and I don't even think it's close. Consider these numbers from last season:

Bynum: 65 65 30.4 0.570 0.000 0.739 2.7 5.6 8.3 1.0 0.5 1.4 1.8 3.0 15.0
Bogut: 69 69 32.3 0.520 0.000 0.629 3.0 7.1 10.2 1.8 0.6 2.5 1.9 3.2 15.9

So in a nutshell, Bynum shoots a better percentage from the floor and the line, has slightly fewer turnovers (1.8 to 1.9) and slightly fewer fouls (3.0 to 3.2) while Bogut played more games, had more rebounds (offensive/defensive/total, 10.2 to 8.3), more assists, more steals, more blocks, and scored more points.

I don't even see any argument for Bynum TBH. I think Bogut is arguably the second or third best center in the league behind Dwight Howard and possibly Kaman/Lopez. Bynum is maybe a top 10 center but his inconsistent effort and inability to stay healthy are two HUGE detriments.

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