NBA 2K11: Starting Five Roster Ratings

[J_Posse]

Quote: Originally Posted by jeebs9

Note: Kevin Durant Career FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc Year Team G Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG 2007-08 SEA 80 34:36 7.3 17.1 43 0.7 2.6 28.8 4.9 5.6 87.3 0.9 3.5 4.4 2.4 2.9 1 0.9 1.5 20.3 2008-09 OKC 74 39:00 8.9 18.8 47.6 1.3 3.1 42.2 6.1 7.1 86.3 1 5.5 6.5 2.8 3 1.3 0.7 1.8 25.3 2009-10 OKC 82 39:30 9.7 20.3 47.6 1.6 4.3 36.5 9.2 10.2 90 1.3 6.3 7.6 2.8 3.3 1.4 1 2.1 30.2 Career 236 37:42 8.7 18.8 46.2 1.2 3.3 36.1 6.8 7.7 88.3 1.1 5.1 6.2 2.7 3.1 1.2 0.9 1.8 25.3 Carmelo Anthony FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc Year Team G Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG 2003-04 DEN 82 36:30 7.6 17.9 42.6 0.8 2.6 32.2 5 6.4 77.7 2.2 3.8 6.1 2.8 3 1.2 0.5 2.7 21 2004-05 DEN 75 34:47 7.1 16.4 43.1 0.6 2.1 26.6 6.1 7.6 79.6 1.9 3.8 5.7 2.6 3 0.9 0.4 3.1 20.8 2005-06 DEN 80 36:47 9.5 19.7 48.1 0.5 1.9 24.3 7.2 8.9 80.8 1.5 3.4 4.9 2.7 2.7 1.1 0.5 2.9 26.5 2006-07 DEN 65 38:12 10.6 22.4 47.6 0.6 2.3 26.9 7.1 8.7 80.8 2.2 3.8 6 3.8 3.6 1.2 0.3 3.1 28.9 2007-08 DEN 77 36:23 9.5 19.2 49.2 0.8 2.1 35.4 6 7.7 78.6 2.3 5.1 7.4 3.4 3.3 1.3 0.5 3.3 25.7 2008-09 DEN 66 34:30 8.1 18.3 44.3 1 2.6 37.1 5.6 7.1 79.3 1.6 5.2 6.8 3.4 3 1.1 0.4 3 22.8 2009-10 DEN 69 38:12 10 21.8 45.8 0.9 2.7 31.6 7.4 8.9 83 2.2 4.4 6.6 3.2 3 1.3 0.4 3.3 28.2 Career 514 36:30 8.9 19.3 45.9 0.7 2.3 30.8 6.3 7.9 80.1 2 4.2 6.2 3.1 3.1 1.2 0.4 3 24.7

Uh, not looking at career averages but what they averaged last season. By going with that I see that Durant is a better rebounder and shot-blocker. He is a better player than Carmelo even if slightly, IMO.

[jeebs9]

Quote: Originally Posted by Colts18

Jeebs, My brother. I do not even think the overall ratings need to be hidden. There is no use for them to be honest. For instance. If we are playing in Franchise Mode and the off-season has come upon us and the CPU controlled teams are looking for free agents to fill their rosters. Instead of looking at the highest rated player at the positions in which the have a glaring whole at, I think it would make more sense for them to select the best type of player at that position. If the Warriors happen to need a PG during the off season and the highest rated PGs in the free agency pool at not athletic or up-and-down type point guards that fit the traditional GSW style, then what purpose did overalls rating really serve? Now if overall rating was not there, that CPU controlled GSW team would look at specific attributes to fit their team. Shooting, Speed, Athleticism, not just an overall rating. I think overall rating is an over-simplification that has no place in basketball games. In real life we don't see an overall rating. We see how well a player shoots, passes, dribbles, defends, and rebounds. If a player shoots, defends, and passes well. But he is a decent dribbler, and poor rebounder, why should there be a collective assessment of his skills? All of those skills are independent of one another. So only individual attributes should be present. I hope I made my point crystal. I am sorry for speaking so much.

Man Oh Man...One of the reason I come on the internet and talk about sports. I always wondered does anyone think like me....

We clearly have parents that are lying to us. Milk Man anyone? lol

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Colts18

Jeebs, My brother. I do not even think the overall ratings need to be hidden. There is no use for them to be honest. For instance. If we are playing in Franchise Mode and the off-season has come upon us and the CPU controlled teams are looking for free agents to fill their rosters. Instead of looking at the highest rated player at the positions in which the have a glaring whole at, I think it would make more sense for them to select the best type of player at that position. If the Warriors happen to need a PG during the off season and the highest rated PGs in the free agency pool at not athletic or up-and-down type point guards that fit the traditional GSW style, then what purpose did overalls rating really serve? Now if overall rating was not there, that CPU controlled GSW team would look at specific attributes to fit their team. Shooting, Speed, Athleticism, not just an overall rating. I think overall rating is an over-simplification that has no place in basketball games. In real life we don't see an overall rating. We see how well a player shoots, passes, dribbles, defends, and rebounds. If a player shoots, defends, and passes well. But he is a decent dribbler, and poor rebounder, why should there be a collective assessment of his skills? All of those skills are independent of one another. So only individual attributes should be present. I hope I made my point crystal. I am sorry for speaking so much.

Well supposedly in association mode, they fixed AI logic so a team like the Warriors will look at those attributes rather than just overall.

[jeebs9]

^^That sounds cool^^

Quote: Originally Posted by J_Posse512

Uh, not looking at career averages but what they averaged last season. By going with that I see that Durant is a better rebounder and shot-blocker. He is a better player than Carmelo even if slightly, IMO.

Kevin Durant

Career

FG

3PT

FT

Rebounds

Misc

Year

Team

G

Min

M

A

Pct

M

A

Pct

M

A

Pct

Off

Def

Tot

Ast

TO

Stl

Blk

PF

PPG

2009-10

OKC

82

39:30

10

20

48

2

4

37

9

10

90

1.3

6.3

7.6

2.8

3

1

1

2

30

Carmelo Anthony

FG

3PT

FT

Rebounds

Misc

Year

Team

G

Min

M

A

Pct

M

A

Pct

M

A

Pct

Off

Def

Tot

Ast

TO

Stl

Blk

PF

PPG

2009-10

DEN

69

38:12

10

22

46

1

3

32

7

8.9

83

2.2

4.4

6.6

3.2

3

1

0.4

3

28

Nothing still hasn't changed man.

But I'm moving on....

[J_Posse]

Quote: Originally Posted by Colts18

Jeebs, My brother. I do not even think the overall ratings need to be hidden. There is no use for them to be honest. For instance. If we are playing in Franchise Mode and the off-season has come upon us and the CPU controlled teams are looking for free agents to fill their rosters. Instead of looking at the highest rated player at the positions in which the have a glaring whole at, I think it would make more sense for them to select the best type of player at that position. If the Warriors happen to need a PG during the off season and the highest rated PGs in the free agency pool at not athletic or up-and-down type point guards that fit the traditional GSW style, then what purpose did overalls rating really serve? Now if overall rating was not there, that CPU controlled GSW team would look at specific attributes to fit their team. Shooting, Speed, Athleticism, not just an overall rating. I think overall rating is an over-simplification that has no place in basketball games. In real life we don't see an overall rating. We see how well a player shoots, passes, dribbles, defends, and rebounds. If a player shoots, defends, and passes well. But he is a decent dribbler, and poor rebounder, why should there be a collective assessment of his skills? All of those skills are independent of one another. So only individual attributes should be present. I hope I made my point crystal. I am sorry for speaking so much.

At the same time, we argue about which player is "more versatile" or "complete" than the other. We look at the sum of their parts to "determine" who is a superior or inferior player. That's one reason why statistics are taken and exist. Otherwise, why don't that just keep score and remove all individual statistics.

Quote:

Nothing still hasn't changed man. But I'm moving on....

What's even your point? I realize and agree that Carmelo is a better post-up player and is more athletic. I said that Durant is only a better shot-blocker and rebounder, but I also said that he's a better team defender. Durant is also more durable than Carmelo as well. In my opinion, that makes him (slightly) better than Carmelo. Carmelo has plateaued as a player while Kevin will continue to improve and grow.

[jeebs9]

^^Huh?...^^

[J_Posse]

Quote: Originally Posted by jeebs9

^^Huh?...^^

Statistics help us determine who is best overall. Of course, physical and mental traits factor in as well. But, usually people use statistics or advanced statistics to determine the overall value of each player. So, a video game simulation should reflect that desire to "see" or determine who is best (overall and individually).

Plain and simply put to me Kevin Durant is better than Carmelo Anthony. The statistics show that he is a better rebounder, shot-blocker and shooter than Carmelo. From looking at them play, I believe that Durant is better.

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kevin garnett at 80 big no no he should be over 85 so you mean to tell me carlos boozer with 85 is better then garnett kevin garnett should be up there wit paul gasol and hes better then gasol