NBA 2K11: Starting Five Roster Ratings

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Submitted on: 09/23/2010 by

2K Sent us the overall ratings for every player in each team's starting five. Give the list a look through and let us know what you think! Did 2K rate your team right? Any surprises? Let us know!

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# 401 jeebs9 @ 09/24/10 11:03 AM

Having him at SG would take a lot of pressure off of him.

# 402 Fngb3 @ 09/24/10 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Colts18


	Fng, Wassup brother. Why do people keep using this scale as if 2K released it saying this is what they go by? Also, the issue I have with this scale implies that 2K has a predetermined overall rating for players in the NBA. Is this the case? If it was, wouldn't they overrate Dirk Nowitski's defense and rebounds to increase his overalls?

Alright I'm with you there, it's not an official scale by any stretch. But it's hard to completely deny the general accuracy of it. James, Kobe, Wade all those guys are 1st ballot HOFrs. Ray Allen really is just on the cusp of super star (barely getting voted in the last 2/3 years). I mean for the vast majority of the player overalls, this scale is a solid way to get a sense of where I player stands regarding the rest of the league.

Also I wouldn't say overall's are predetermined. There should be some reason for general consensus Say Dirk is an 83. Right now he's an all star. Not the MVP he was several years ago. Not All First-team any more. But an all star. I mean, I'd say that's a true statement. We know the individual stats somehow calculate the players overall, even if we're not sure exactly how they weight it. But if Dirk as an 83 is legit, and his rebounding isn't that great and his defense is certainly terrible, then he's gotta be amazing in other areas. Amazing shooter, amazing free throw guy, solid handles for a 7 footer... The reason he's not a high 80s guy is BECAUSE his rebounding and defense are low.

I dunno maybe I'm misunderstanding your question/point. Would you say it again differently for me?

# 403 shawnomega @ 09/24/10 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Fngb3


	Alright I'm with you there, it's not an official scale by any stretch. But it's hard to completely deny the general accuracy of it. James, Kobe, Wade all those guys are 1st ballot HOFrs. Ray Allen really is just on the cusp of super star (barely getting voted in the last 2/3 years). I mean for the vast majority of the player overalls, this scale is a solid way to get a sense of where I player stands regarding the rest of the league. Also I wouldn't say overall's are predetermined. There should be some reason for general consensus Say Dirk is an 83. Right now he's an all star. Not the MVP he was several years ago. Not All First-team any more. But an all star. I mean, I'd say that's a true statement. We know the individual stats somehow calculate the players overall, even if we're not sure exactly how they weight it. But if Dirk as an 83 is legit, and his rebounding isn't that great and his defense is certainly terrible, then he's gotta be amazing in other areas. Amazing shooter, amazing free throw guy, solid handles for a 7 footer... The reason he's not a high 80s guy is BECAUSE his rebounding and defense are low. I dunno maybe I'm misunderstanding your question/point. Would you say it again differently for me?

While I agree with some of the things you've said, there is no way Wade/Lebron are HOF worthy yet. Kobe? Of course. It's to soon for Wade/Lebron, and I like wade. Other then that I am ok with this post lol/

# 404 Fngb3 @ 09/24/10 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by shawnomega


	While I agree with some of the things you've said, there is no way Wade/Lebron are HOF worthy yet. Kobe? Of course. It's to soon for Wade/Lebron, and I like wade. Other then that I am ok with this post lol/

Haha OK I mean here's the thing. The ratings for any one particular year are for where a player is at "that year." it's not like a culmination of their whole careers. I think it's pretty hard to argue that if James and Wade play at the level they've played at the last 5 years of their careers, and play that way for 5 more, that they'll be HOFrs easy. can't tell the future, obviously, but if you look at the caliber players they are now and assume there's no major drop offs (which there's no reason to) then they're GOATs for sure. Kobe is further along in his career so his case has been made, unlike James and Wade who are younger, but if we fast forward 5 years down the road James and Wade are gonna be statistically in the realm of other greats.

# 405 Eman5805 @ 09/24/10 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DWadeRo


	Chris Paul way to overrated! He should be 85 or something and Kevin Durant 95. My opinion...

I see CP3 needs to remind some people why he's a top 5 player in the NBA.

Man, I'm so jacked for this season.

# 406 Fngb3 @ 09/24/10 11:37 AM

Sorry that haha sounded condescending once I went back and read my post and again, I can't find the button to edit it so let me qualify. I just mean that you can always argue that a player might not "end up" as very good, or very bad, but you just can't know. You can look at where they are now though, and where they have been, in relation to everyone else. It's not like they're both rookies and last year might be a fluke. They're both amazing players. And with out question, if those guys continue to be those same players, at the end of the day they'll be in the upper echelon (though maybe not the highest) of the basketball pantheon.

# 407 jimmysworld @ 09/24/10 11:42 AM

damn t-mac should be in piston starting line up and he's rating should be at least 80

# 408 ThatSacTownKingsFan @ 09/24/10 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmysworld


	damn t-mac should be in piston starting line up and he's rating should be at least 80

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o_o

# 409 Gosens6 @ 09/24/10 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatSacTownKingsFan


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I know man, I know.

Just.... Let's just let it go..

# 410 Colts18 @ 09/24/10 12:18 PM

Fng,

I think that overall ratings are predetermined for the guys at the top. I do believe that. I believe that 2K Sports went into the player ratings distribution with the knowledge that they want LeBron, Wade, and Kobe to all have 97 ratings out of the box.

I think that is wrong. I think doing it that method leads to inaccuracies because 2K Sports has to have certain players reach a certain overall grade no matter what.

I am sure that Mike Jordan will be a 99 rated player because of this. Since he is the best player ever, he has to be a 99 rated overalls or people would have a problem with 2K Sports.

# 411 J-H!zZl3 @ 09/24/10 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmysworld


	damn t-mac should be in piston starting line up and he's rating should be at least 80

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# 412 sticks323 @ 09/24/10 12:42 PM

There is no way Brandon Jennings is a 75 n Evan Turner is a 76...Jennings had 55 in a game n went to the playoffs... And Y is Chris Paul still a 95, he was hurt, Deron Williams should at least have a higher overall than him...

# 413 sticks323 @ 09/24/10 12:43 PM

How Pau Gasol n Chris Bosh only 87...they the 2 best skilled big men in the game...they should at least be 93

# 414 RocketTMac1 @ 09/24/10 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sticks323


	There is no way Brandon Jennings is a 75 n Evan Turner is a 76...Jennings had 55 in a game n went to the playoffs... And Y is Chris Paul still a 95, he was hurt, Deron Williams should at least have a higher overall than him...

Turner is a SG and is an all around player my dude. Im a Jennings fan but he still has alot to prove. He is very streaky. And CP3 will prove once again who is the dominate point guard. people forget he was 2nd in MVP voting a couple yrs back

# 415 RocketTMac1 @ 09/24/10 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sticks323


	How Pau Gasol n Chris Bosh only 87...they the 2 best skilled big men in the game...they should at least be 93

WOW! a bit drunk on hype aren't we. they are skilled but they lack power and they aren't that good on defense. they will probably be monsters on offense

# 416 jeebs9 @ 09/24/10 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sticks323


	There is no way Brandon Jennings is a 75 n Evan Turner is a 76...Jennings had 55 in a game n went to the playoffs... And Y is Chris Paul still a 95, he was hurt, Deron Williams should at least have a higher overall than him...

Why don't people understand this? First off Deron Williams doesn't get as many steals as CP3 does. I'm not saying its better defense or not. But this has to be shown in the game. Just like Rondo gets those pesky steals. CP3 gets them too.

"Always remember as long as the player plays like the player in really life."

Secondly you have to think about CP3 size. He is only 6'0. While Deron is 6-3. Remember My player the smaller the player the more skill points he gets.....LMAO JK about that one

# 417 Mintsa @ 09/24/10 12:53 PM

PG Jose Calderon 72
SG Leandro Barbosa 75
SF Linas Kleiza 55
PF Amir Johnson 63
C Andrea Bargnani 74

It's going to be a loooooooooooooong year online this season. I should be awarded a PS3 trophy for just using the Raps online.....LOL.

# 418 Fngb3 @ 09/24/10 12:54 PM

OK I understand the danger of that. But let's look at everything you've said there. Take Wade James and Bryant. Are those three not the best three players in the game? (Sans Durant, which is a whole 'nother can of worms, which quite frankly can be quickly summed up as, he doesn't create for his teamates the way the other three CAN, and isn't nearly the defender the others are YET). They aren't 99s because they aren't Jordan. Would you disagree that Jordan in his prime was the closest example we've ever had to a perfect player?
The reality is that, when you have a cap, when you have a top, when you have a max, you have to start there and work backwards. So, if 99 is the best you can possibly be at your given position, where would guys like James Wade and Bryant fit? Well, pretty darn close to the top. When you PREDETERMINE that 99 is your cap, you are absolutely confined to starting the bar somewhere. If you predetermine the top, you have to pick some spot to start at. They decided to say the three best players in the game are 97s. They have room for improvement, but not much, and there aren't any other players currently playing that are as good as them. That seems reasonable to me. I mean, say this era of basketball had less talent than other eras, and this was generally acknowledged. Let's say Jordan is still going to be in this game and is still going to be an essentially perfect shooting guard. He's the cap of 99. Well say the best play currently in the league is no where near as good Jordan. And I mean no where. Let's say Brandon Roy is the best player in the league. IF Jordan is in this game and he's a 99, with no room for improvement, then Brandon Roy still needs to be 87-88 ish. This is all about relativity. If Jordan wasn't in the game and Roy was the best player in the world, you could make him a 95 all of a sudden. I mean, is this rambling too much? Because they arbitrarily decide 99 is the best anyone can be in their rating system, they have no choice but to arbitrarily start somewhere within that limit. But once they do, it only matters that people are where they are RELATIVE to the initial starting point.

That was a novel, sorry. If anything, I'd like to see the ratings look more like this.
Jordan SG 99
James SF 97
Kobe SG 95
Wade SG 95
Durrant SF 94

But I guess all I'm saying is at least the starting point is predetermined, and there's simply no way around it because the range of a players rating is ALSO predetermined. There's just no way around it.

Also, this is in the context of position. Let's not make any mistake about it. If you put Kobe at center, he's not a 97 any more. Dude is like a 50.

So it's a balancing act between position and overall. Dwight Howard might be the best center in the game right now. And no center should currently playing should be higher than him. But that doesn't mean he should be a 97, because he's nowhere near the player James is.

God I hope what I just typed made some sort of sense.

# 419 Tyrant8RDFL @ 09/24/10 01:03 PM

The Knick ratings are way off.

Felton should be a 82, Gallo a 80, Chandler 78, Randolph 78.

# 420 Stickz24 @ 09/24/10 01:06 PM

The ratings get adjusted during the course of the year based on player performance people .. It surprising I didn't see a lot of people mention that.

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