NBA 2K11: Starting Five Roster Ratings

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Submitted on: 09/23/2010 by

2K Sent us the overall ratings for every player in each team's starting five. Give the list a look through and let us know what you think! Did 2K rate your team right? Any surprises? Let us know!

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# 421 ThatSacTownKingsFan @ 09/24/10 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrant8RDFL


	The Knick ratings are way off. Felton should be a 82, Gallo a 80, Chandler 78, Randolph 78.

No, No, No & No.

# 422 jeebs9 @ 09/24/10 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrant8RDFL


	The Knick ratings are way off. Felton should be a 82, Gallo a 80, Chandler 78, Randolph 78.

^^ 80....for Knick players....LMAO^^

Only someone who watched a bunch of Knick game would say that lol. Just kidding

But thats a little OPD

# 423 Pokes404 @ 09/24/10 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dropseven


	Nobody should be rated 97 anyway...that's too high and KD is a great scorer, but he plays no Defense and he's 6'11 and only averages 6 boards a game. Fair passer...decent ball handler.

Yep, this guy's got no defense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WwUo...eature=related

I wish I could find the entire quarter because it was an impressive defensive display, but that synopsis will have to do.

I'm not claiming he's the "best defender in the league." I'm not even trying to convince you that he's a good defender. But come on, I think we can drop this idea of Durant as some kind of defensive liability. People talk about him as though he just stands at half court waiting for the other team to score so he can go throw up another 3. He went head-to-head with Kobe Bryant, the most clutch player in the league, and took him out of the 4th quarter of a playoff game. You can't have "no defense" and do that.

But to stay on topic here, I'm actually OK with the 91 rating (even though I obviously think it should be a little higher). He's still a young guy, and has to continue to prove his case. Those guys ahead of him have all been in the league longer and have earned that kind of respect. If he has another outstanding season this year, he'll get the respect he deserves.

# 424 J_Posse @ 09/24/10 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dachozen1


	Obviously you didn't see what Gasol has done to everyone he's faced, especially Duncan, Howard, Boozer...the list goes on, Gasol is very consistent at every facet of the game which is why his team wins games, even when Kobe is out. Dwight Howard can't guard Gasol Can duncan do that?

Wow, he runs the floor better than a 34-year-old Tim Duncan. That's no surprise since he's younger and has healthier wheels. But, statistically they're virtually equals. I've seen Timmy stuff his shot attempts plenty of times and I'm sure there is someone that could make him look foolish on defense, too.

Plus, I apologize about misstating that Gasol has never average 20 points per game. I should have typed "never averaged more than 20" which was my first thought. That just makes me look bad, apologize.

People don't seem to realize that 2K needed to overrate Bryant in many areas, in particular shooting, on-ball defense and the athletic ratings, so that he could be a 97 last season. Well, many of his ratings will be inflated once again to justify his rating. Oh, and not just Bryant but everyone over a 80+ rating (especially Carmelo Anthony & Tim Duncan).

# 425 Fngb3 @ 09/24/10 01:20 PM

God I talk to much huh? I guess I just want my fellow players to feel comfortable with how 2K does things and not be so frustrated or feel it's all crazy and wrong.

Say 2K does 'decide' they want Kobe Dwayne and James to be 97s, and then as you say tweak their sub stats to reach that point. Well, I mean, there are reason's they are at that point. Kobe is the best shooter of that group, Dwayne the quickest, James the most overall athletic.

Argh this is so hard to explain in any sensible way. Brevity is not my strong suit.

WHY is Kobe a better SG than say Joe Johnson? (that is assuming you agree that Kobe IS better than Joe Johnson) well if, once we get our hands on the game, we go into the stats and take a look and see: ok, Kobe's on ball defense, and steals is higher. Kobe's Defensive awareness is higher. His offensive awareness will probably be higher. His clutch will be higher. Offensively they're probably pretty close actually accept Kobe's shoot-off the dribble is probably the best in the league. Now, relative to Joe Johnson that explains why Kobe's overall is better. But, if you were comparing Kobe and Michael you would say the exact same things about Jordan relative to Kobe. Jordan was a better defender and will have higher stats in those categories (though the difference between Kobe and Jordan will be less than Kobe and Johnson) and Jordan's clutch was a little better. Net result? Jordan's overall is a little higher than Kobe's.

So let's say 2K has this idea that CP3 is better than D Will. Now we can disagree with them, this isn't an exact science afterall. There technically IS NO actual way to truly determine who is a better player because of variables. We can give it a shot by looking at stats, but really, the conclusion of who's better is still subjective. That's why Hollinger's PER is so alluring and useful. Because it's a very solid attempt at boiling thing's down to one value that can be compared.

So, 2K thinks CP3 is a better PG than D Will. Well, WHY?Because he is a more efficient shooter, for one. He's not as strong, but he's quicker and faster. Let's truncate this a bit... http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics

Here's Hollinger's stats.
Paul has a better True Shooting Percentage, better assist ratio, better turnover ratio, LOWER usage rate, better rebound rate, and consequently, a better PER.

Physically D Will is taller, heavier, stronger and slower. But does all that combine to making him a better player?
Well 2K probably made CP3 a better shooter, rebounder, and passer, thus LEADING to a better overall. I don't think they said "We think CP3 should be 3 overall better than D Will because we like him more and we're going to manipulate things so that it comes out that way." I dunno I just feel like they put real work into this stuff.

# 426 ParisB @ 09/24/10 01:23 PM

I love how personal people take these ratings, and even argue down to a point or two as if there's some huge difference between a 75 and a 79. Usually people think their favorite players and teams should be much higher, lol. Funny how your perspective is biased towards the teams you watch. The Knicks guy above is a good example. Probably just read a team preview for the upcoming season and is super excited. Everyone also thinks the rookies on their team are nothing but star potential and everybody focuses on the upsides of players or the positives only (every young NBA player has upside) but the harsh reality is that the player you're arguing for might very well not be as good or as above average as you think.

Bottom line, they're just ratings in a video game. Enjoy it.

# 427 jeebs9 @ 09/24/10 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokes404


	Yep, this guy's got no defense. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WwUo...eature=related I wish I could find the entire quarter because it was an impressive defensive display, but that synopsis will have to do. I'm not claiming he's the "best defender in the league." I'm not even trying to convince you that he's a good defender. But come on, I think we can drop this idea of Durant as some kind of defensive liability. People talk about him as though he just stands at half court waiting for the other team to score so he can go throw up another 3. He went head-to-head with Kobe Bryant, the most clutch player in the league, and took him out of the 4th quarter of a playoff game. You can't have "no defense" and do that.

So what are you saying?...lol just kidding

I think KD is just one notch under Melo.

But also understand not having a post game like Melo hurts his overall rating at the end of the day.

# 428 jeebs9 @ 09/24/10 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ParisB


	I love how personal people take these ratings, and even argue down to a point or two as if there's some huge difference between a 75 and a 79. Usually people think their favorite players and teams should be much higher, lol. Funny how your perspective is biased towards the teams you watch. The Knicks guy above is a good example. Probably just read a team preview for the upcoming season and is super excited. Everyone also thinks the rookies on their team are nothing but star potential and everybody focuses on the upsides of players or the positives only (every young NBA player has upside) but the harsh reality is that the player you're arguing for might very well not be as good or as above average as you think. Bottom line, they're just ratings in a video game. Enjoy it.

I've seen that severally times in this thread.

# 429 toomerk @ 09/24/10 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jeebs9


	So what are you saying?...lol just kidding I think KD is just one notch under Melo. But also understand not having a post game like Melo hurts his overall rating at the end of the day.

That depends on what we're talking about jeebs. Are we talking about production, or talent/skill? Talent/skill wise, you're right. KD is just a notch below Melo. But production wise? They're not even close. KD is just a much more complete player when it comes to being efficient. But I don't think the ratings are trying to reflect efficiency (think Wins Produced (Wp48), not PER or NBA EFF)...I think the ratings are trying to capture a player's skill and talent, and they are accurate in that sense.

Think about the ratings. 99 Med shot? What does that mean? To me, it means a guy has the talent to score from midrange. But how does that actually translate to production? Wouldn't a 40 Med shot be more accurate, to reflect the actual shooting percentage that player makes from that range? Then we would know, "OK, so if he's open, he'll hit, say from 38-42% of his shots from this spot, and if guarded, that will go up/down depending on the defensive rating(s) of the player(s) guarding him. This would give us more precise data when using teams. But 99/87 etc. ratings don't tell me accurately enough about how efficiently a player is going to score from a given position on the court. And as a coach, I would know exactly where and how to use Melo to get the most out of him...

# 430 sticks323 @ 09/24/10 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jeebs9


	Why don't people understand this? First off Deron Williams doesn't get as many steals as CP3 does. I'm not saying its better defense or not. But this has to be shown in the game. Just like Rondo gets those pesky steals. CP3 gets them too. "Always remember as long as the player plays like the player in really life." Secondly you have to think about CP3 size. He is only 6'0. While Deron is 6-3. Remember My player the smaller the player the more skill points he gets.....LMAO JK about that one

im saying CP3 was injured most of the year...there is no way he should be a 95...while Deron Williams led his team to the playoffs playing at an all-star level... He scores more and he had double digit assist...If they were both 93, that would be cool

# 431 sticks323 @ 09/24/10 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RocketTMac1


	Turner is a SG and is an all around player my dude. Im a Jennings fan but he still has alot to prove. He is very streaky. And CP3 will prove once again who is the dominate point guard. people forget he was 2nd in MVP voting a couple yrs back

Jennings has alot to prove... Turner is a freaking Rookie, he has no stats...he should not be better than a player that led his team to the playoffs and that has also scored 55 points in a game..that isnt easy...

# 432 Pokes404 @ 09/24/10 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jeebs9


	So what are you saying?...lol just kidding I think KD is just one notch under Melo. But also understand not having a post game like Melo hurts his overall rating at the end of the day.

I'm saying he may not be the greatest defender in the league, but he's pretty solid on that end. Mostly, I'm just trying to end this notion that he's only an offensive player that becomes a liability on the defensive end. The guy rebounds, forces people to alter their shots due to his length, tips passes, and has gotten pretty good at the come-from-behind block (though he's still not at Lebron's level). He struggles with pick-and-roll situations and isn't the strongest on-ball defender, but for a guy with his kind of offensive game, he's a pretty reliable defender.

That first post did kind of come off as "He's not a bad defender. He may not be the best, or good, or average, or below average ... but he's not bad." lol

# 433 sticks323 @ 09/24/10 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RocketTMac1


	WOW! a bit drunk on hype aren't we. they are skilled but they lack power and they aren't that good on defense. they will probably be monsters on offense

not drunk at all...look at the numbers... Bosh n Gasol is better than Dwight Howard... y is Tim Duncan still a 90?? Bosh averaged 24 n 10 rebs... there were only 3 players that averaged that..... n Gasol was a big reason the lakers won... these overalls r terrible

# 434 sticks323 @ 09/24/10 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrant8RDFL


	The Knick ratings are way off. Felton should be a 82, Gallo a 80, Chandler 78, Randolph 78.

Felton an 82??? FOR WHAT??? what has he done???

# 435 jeebs9 @ 09/24/10 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by toomerk


	That depends on what we're talking about jeebs. Are we talking about production, or talent/skill? Talent/skill wise, you're right. KD is just a notch below Melo. But production wise? They're not even close. KD is just a much more complete player when it comes to being efficient. But I don't think the ratings are trying to reflect efficiency (think Wins Produced (Wp48), not PER or NBA EFF)...I think the ratings are trying to capture a player's skill and talent, and they are accurate in that sense. Think about the ratings. 99 Med shot? What does that mean? To me, it means a guy has the talent to score from midrange. But how does that actually translate to production? Wouldn't a 40 Med shot be more accurate, to reflect the actual shooting percentage that player makes from that range? Then we would know, "OK, so if he's open, he'll hit, say from 38-42% of his shots from this spot, and if guarded, that will go up/down depending on the defensive rating(s) of the player(s) guarding him. This would give us more precise data when using teams. But 99/87 etc. ratings don't tell me accurately enough about how efficiently a player is going to score from a given position on the court. And as a coach, I would know exactly where and how to use Melo to get the most out of him...

I'm talking about the whole picture...lol

But look I'm not going to get into to details. I just know Durant plays just like Durant does in real life. And there is nothing more I can say.

# 436 jeebs9 @ 09/24/10 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sticks323


	im saying CP3 was injured most of the year...there is no way he should be a 95...while Deron Williams led his team to the playoffs playing at an all-star level... He scores more and he had double digit assist...If they were both 93, that would be cool

It went over your head as well.

CP3 is one of the top in steals. Deron Williams isn't thats the only reason CP3 is 2 points higher than Deron Williams in overall...

And like I keep saying...As long as players play like themselves in real life. Overall ratings shouldn't even be looked at.

Guys open your eyes. There is a bigger picture. The days of "Overall" being the major factor between a good player and bad player is close to over.

# 437 J_Posse @ 09/24/10 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by big_larry


	How is Tony Parker only a 78, he's top 5 pg's in the league.

Tony had his worse season in years. Unfortunately, that is reflected in his rating.

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	Bottom line, they're just ratings in a video game. Enjoy it.

True, but that doesn't change the fact that many ratings (individual and overall) are inconsistent. I'd expect intangible ratings (speed, quickness, strength and offense/defense awareness) to be that way, but not the tangible ratings.

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	KD is just a notch below Melo. But production wise? They're not even close. KD is just a much more complete player when it comes to being efficient.

Durant has surpassed Carmelo, IMO. They are both a little too geared toward offense (read: one-dimensional), but Durant is the superior defender and rebounder. Carmelo has the advantages of being more athletic, physically stronger and has a superior post-up game.

They make the mistake of needing to reach a specific overall rating for certain players (stars), while they should just let the individual ratings determine where someone belongs. Also, they allow too much consumer/fan opinion to effect their ratings and decisions (during the season).

# 438 Gosens6 @ 09/24/10 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jeebs9


	I've seen that severally times in this thread.

We're trying to get people to understand this, but at this point it just seems like a lost cause.

Plus clearly every team in the game should be rated 99 so everybodys favorite team can be right where they want them right? Am I right?

# 439 jeebs9 @ 09/24/10 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokes404


	I'm saying he may not be the greatest defender in the league, but he's pretty solid on that end. Mostly, I'm just trying to end this notion that he's only an offensive player that becomes a liability on the defensive end. The guy rebounds, forces people to alter their shots due to his length, tips passes, and has gotten pretty good at the come-from-behind block (though he's still not at Lebron's level). He struggles with pick-and-roll situations and isn't the strongest on-ball defender, but for a guy with his kind of offensive game, he's a pretty reliable defender. That first post did kind of come off as "He's not a bad defender. He may not be the best, or good, or average, or below average ... but he's not bad." lol

LoL....Man I knew exactly what you were saying in the first post. I was just joking.

But like I said before. I think we can agree that Melo and Durant are pretty much on par in terms of production. But the only reason Melo is rated 2 points higher is because he scores points in the post. He has like a 90 rated offensive post game...and as well as a 84 low post shot rating.

# 440 J_Posse @ 09/24/10 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jeebs9


	It went over your head as well. CP3 is one of the top in steals. Deron Williams isn't thats the only reason CP3 is 2 points higher than Deron Williams in overall... And like I keep saying...As long as players play like themselves in real life. Overall ratings shouldn't even be looked at. Guys open your eyes. There is a bigger picture. The days of "Overall" being the major factor between a good player and bad player is close to over.

How is that? Isn't it a calculation of the various individual ratings combined to give a overall value of the player (which is weighted for each position)? This is after all a computer program and a bunch coding/numbers, so wouldn't the overall number always matter?

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