NBA 2K11: Starting Five Roster Ratings

[jeebs9]

Quote: Originally Posted by J_Posse512

Durant has surpassed Carmelo, IMO. They are both a little too geared toward offense (read: one-dimensional), but Durant is the superior defender and rebounder. Carmelo has the advantages of being more athletic, physically stronger and has a superior post-up game.

I was going to agree with your post until you said that...lol

Durant and Melo are the same players...number wise....rebounds,points,steals, blocks and anything else you can bring up.

Then said Durant was a superior defender and rebounder....SMH

Post-up game is what keeps these guys different....Thats it....

[jeebs9]

Quote: Originally Posted by J_Posse512

How is that? Isn't it a calculation of the various individual ratings combined to give a overall value of the player (which is weighted for each position)? This is after all a computer program and a bunch coding/numbers, so wouldn't the overall number always matter?

Computer?.....lol

You just took the idea around block and back and went to Mars lol...

I'm human...when I play with Melo it feel like I'm watching Melo and controlling him on a Live TV game. Same goes for Durant.

[Colts18]

JPosey,

Hello. I think the 2K Sports Engineers can get away with not having an overall rating. As long as we have the specific skills for each player then there is no use for an overall rating. I see people arguing on the chatline and they are arguing about their favorite players being 1 or 2 points off.

A lot of it is immature talking in my honest gracious opinion. I honestly do not see the need for overall ratings in Sporting Video Games. I play Football Manager and it does not have an overall rating for the athletes.

If I recall correctly, NBA LIves up until NBA Live 97/98 did not have an overalls ratings.

[J_Posse]

Quote: Originally Posted by jeebs9

I was going to agree with your post until you said that...lol Durant and Melo are the same players...number wise....rebounds,points,steals, blocks and anything else you can bring up. Then said Durant was a superior defender and rebounder....SMH Post-up game is what keeps these guys different....Thats it....

Durant averaged more rebounds, though he played one minute more, and averaged one block a game. He's a far better team defender and proved it by playing on one of the best defensive teams last season. Neither is good at creating for others, which is what makes LeBron superior to both, but Carmelo did average more assists. Kevin has more upside and is the better player, IMO.

Note: They're both reppin' Maryland, although one the B-More area and the other the P.G. county, so I enjoy both their games.

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Computer?.....lol You just took the idea around block and back and went to Mars lol... I'm human...when I play with Melo it feel like I'm watching Melo and controlling him on a Live TV game. Same goes for Durant.

What? Your comment doesn't make sense and my post has nothing to do with Mars. The game is a computer simulation created by engineers and programmers. That doesn't mean that I think any less of the game or any game because of that. Its just the truth.

I'm human too last time I checked, but the game gets better and more "realistic" because the technology improves. Not because of the programmers' humanity or our own.

None of that changes the fact that the overall rating is still relevant.

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I honestly do not see the need for overall ratings in Sporting Video Games. I play Football Manager and it does not have an overall rating for the athletes. If I recall correctly, NBA Live up until NBA Live 97/98 did not have an overall ratings.

There is always an overall value even if it's unseen. How would the computer know how to "grade" or rank the players otherwise?

[jeebs9]

Quote: Originally Posted by Colts18

JPosey, Hello. I think the 2K Sports Engineers can get away with not having an overall rating. As long as we have the specific skills for each player then there is no use for an overall rating. I see people arguing on the chatline and they are arguing about their favorite players being 1 or 2 points off. A lot of it is immature talking in my honest gracious opinion. I honestly do not see the need for overall ratings in Sporting Video Games. I play Football Manager and it does not have an overall rating for the athletes. If I recall correctly, NBA LIves up until NBA Live 97/98 did not have an overalls ratings.

I think 2k should really look into making them hidden. I mean we don't ratings in real life. Its all a matter of opinion. Leave the overall for the computer.

[jeebs9]

Quote: Originally Posted by J_Posse512

Durant averaged more rebounds, though he played one minute more, and averaged one block a game. He's a far better team defender and proved it by playing on one of the best defensive teams last season. Neither is good at creating for others, which is what makes LeBron superior to both, but Carmelo did average more assists. Kevin has more upside and is the better player, IMO. Note: They're both reppin' Maryland, although one the B-More area and the other the PG county, so I enjoy both their games.

Its still going over your head. Maybe someone else can explain.

[jeebs9]

Quote: Originally Posted by J_Posse512

Durant averaged more rebounds, though he played one minute more, and averaged one block a game. He's a far better team defender and proved it by playing on one of the best defensive teams last season. Neither is good at creating for others, which is what makes LeBron superior to both, but Carmelo did average more assists. Kevin has more upside and is the better player, IMO. Note: They're both reppin' Maryland, although one the B-More area and the other the PG county, so I enjoy both their games. What? Your comment doesn't make sense and my post has nothing to do with Mars. The game is a computer simulation created by engineers and programmers. That doesn't mean that I think any less of the game or any game because of that. Its just the truth. I'm human too last time I checked, but the game gets better and more "realistic" because the technology improves. Not because of the programmers or our humanity. That still doesn't change the fact that the overall rating is still relevant.

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Kevin Durant
Career				FG			3PT			FT			Rebounds			Misc
Year	Team	G	Min	M	A	Pct	M	A	Pct	M	A	Pct	Off	Def	Tot	Ast	TO	Stl	Blk	PF	PPG
2007-08	SEA	80	34:36	7.3	17.1	43	0.7	2.6	28.8	4.9	5.6	87.3	0.9	3.5	4.4	2.4	2.9	1	0.9	1.5	20.3
2008-09	OKC	74	39:00	8.9	18.8	47.6	1.3	3.1	42.2	6.1	7.1	86.3	1	5.5	6.5	2.8	3	1.3	0.7	1.8	25.3
2009-10	OKC	82	39:30	9.7	20.3	47.6	1.6	4.3	36.5	9.2	10.2	90	1.3	6.3	7.6	2.8	3.3	1.4	1	2.1	30.2
Career		236	37:42	8.7	18.8	46.2	1.2	3.3	36.1	6.8	7.7	88.3	1.1	5.1	6.2	2.7	3.1	1.2	0.9	1.8	25.3
Carmelo Anthony
				FG			3PT			FT			Rebounds			Misc
Year	Team	G	Min	M	A	Pct	M	A	Pct	M	A	Pct	Off	Def	Tot	Ast	TO	Stl	Blk	PF	PPG
2003-04	DEN	82	36:30	7.6	17.9	42.6	0.8	2.6	32.2	5	6.4	77.7	2.2	3.8	6.1	2.8	3	1.2	0.5	2.7	21
2004-05	DEN	75	34:47	7.1	16.4	43.1	0.6	2.1	26.6	6.1	7.6	79.6	1.9	3.8	5.7	2.6	3	0.9	0.4	3.1	20.8
2005-06	DEN	80	36:47	9.5	19.7	48.1	0.5	1.9	24.3	7.2	8.9	80.8	1.5	3.4	4.9	2.7	2.7	1.1	0.5	2.9	26.5
2006-07	DEN	65	38:12	10.6	22.4	47.6	0.6	2.3	26.9	7.1	8.7	80.8	2.2	3.8	6	3.8	3.6	1.2	0.3	3.1	28.9
2007-08	DEN	77	36:23	9.5	19.2	49.2	0.8	2.1	35.4	6	7.7	78.6	2.3	5.1	7.4	3.4	3.3	1.3	0.5	3.3	25.7
2008-09	DEN	66	34:30	8.1	18.3	44.3	1	2.6	37.1	5.6	7.1	79.3	1.6	5.2	6.8	3.4	3	1.1	0.4	3	22.8
2009-10	DEN	69	38:12	10	21.8	45.8	0.9	2.7	31.6	7.4	8.9	83	2.2	4.4	6.6	3.2	3	1.3	0.4	3.3	28.2
Career		514	36:30	8.9	19.3	45.9	0.7	2.3	30.8	6.3	7.9	80.1	2	4.2	6.2	3.1	3.1	1.2	0.4	3	24.7

[Colts18]

Jeebs,

My brother. I do not even think the overall ratings need to be hidden. There is no use for them to be honest.

For instance. If we are playing in Franchise Mode and the off-season has come upon us and the CPU controlled teams are looking for free agents to fill their rosters. Instead of looking at the highest rated player at the positions in which the have a glaring whole at, I think it would make more sense for them to select the best type of player at that position.

If the Warriors happen to need a PG during the off season and the highest rated PGs in the free agency pool at not athletic or up-and-down type point guards that fit the traditional GSW style, then what purpose did overalls rating really serve?

Now if overall rating was not there, that CPU controlled GSW team would look at specific attributes to fit their team. Shooting, Speed, Athleticism, not just an overall rating.

I think overall rating is an over-simplification that has no place in basketball games. In real life we don't see an overall rating. We see how well a player shoots, passes, dribbles, defends, and rebounds.

If a player shoots, defends, and passes well. But he is a decent dribbler, and poor rebounder, why should there be a collective assessment of his skills? All of those skills are independent of one another. So only individual attributes should be present.

I hope I made my point crystal. I am sorry for speaking so much.