NBA 2K17 News Post

MyCAREER Has a Realism Problem

12:22 PM - October 3, 2016 by RaychelSnr

Last year, you “Lived the Dream.” This year you experienced your “Prelude” to greatness. Both of these modes in Visual Concepts’ NBA 2K franchise were supposed to acclimate and immerse you into the game’s premier mode, MyCareer. Both years had you assume a player whose visage and role you could create, but whose persona was already determined via the story mode crafted by Visual Concepts. I’m not here to talk about the merits of last year’s “movie of the week” presentation (personally, I liked it) or this year’s evolved version that grants you much more control over your player during your rookie NBA season.

I’m here to talk about something else. Just like last year, your guy. You. The President of basketball, aka Pres, flat out SUCKS!

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# 81 wombatvvv @ 10/14/16 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Yuss


	If 2K told gamers that they had to play 4 to 5 years to reach their full potential, or that they could not change teams until their rookie contract expired people would go ballistic.

What would be the problem? If you're only playing to "reach your full potential", then you may as well just buy VC from day #1. The fun is not about "being the best", the fun is in the challenge and the experience.

I would love it. Realism = immersion. Challenge = fun. I want the experience of playing a realistic sand-box experience of NBA career. Not a predefined story where you're the superstar from day dot in High School.

It's the same reason I expect they make these stupid, boring stories every year, because some marketing genius at 2K has it in their head that nobody will play it unless they have their ego massaged and get treated like a super-star from day #1 of High School no matter how good they actually really are. They don't seem to get that if it's pre-scripted that you're a star, it's no fun and no challenge, and actually just frustrating and annoying and unrealistic and detracts from the career mode.

And if you don't want to play in the same team, request a trade. That said, I must admit that I want the most realism they can deliver in general, but if they're a little more relaxed when it comes to freedom to move your player from team to team, then I'd be cool with that.

What I really hate is the scripted, stilted storyline with zero option to skip the cut-scenes (or better yet, just turn them off).

Seriously, what the hell are they thinking not allowing players to skip cut-scenes or disable them? Are they afraid that everyone would just skip them? If they are, then they seriously need to ask themselves why they're putting them in it in the first place. It vapid logic. It just annoys those players who don't like them.

# 82 JasonMartin @ 10/14/16 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by de5m0n


	All would be good if we were allowed to skip these corny scenes. Some of them are cringe worthy.

The amount of loading it takes to get things done is mindblowing.

I accidently left at the start and could see the whole Kobe intro again.

# 83 wombatvvv @ 10/14/16 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonMartin


	The amount of loading it takes to get things done is mindblowing. I accidently left at the start and could see the whole Kobe intro again.

See my last paragraph in the post above!

# 84 wombatvvv @ 10/14/16 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mcpats


	I love when people say 'put in the work' on a video game. A $60 sticker price should give you a player with a base rating that at least matches the narrative being told. Show me an example of a lottery pick that was rated below 60 their rookie year in 2k

... the problem isn't that your player isn't good enough for the narrative. It's that the narrative is too good for your player. I don't mind starting at the bottom and working my way up and I didn't buy a $60 game just to "have a good player". If that's what you like, good for you, just buy a bunch of VC and you will.

The problem is the narrative and the fact that it's totally stilted and scripted, not your starting stats. And the reason it can't change is because they insist on including cut-scenes and it would probably be too much work to make cut-scenes for every level of player. The solution? Leave the cut-scenes out. It seems only about 1% of people in this thread actually like them anyway. Replace them with written magazine articles or just social media comments or something that would be far easier to add a heap of variety to.

# 85 wombatvvv @ 10/14/16 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MoodMuzik


	Here's the thing too, I'm under the impression, that any player drafted in the 1st round... their agent, friends, family, and themselves really believe they're going to have a great career. So the narrative is more often than not, there. The other thing, it IS a video game, so the game is designed for the player to have the experience and the excitement that they're going to be the NEXT BIG THING. Because it's a video game experience to entice and excite the gamer. To the people that buy this game ONLY for the MYCAREER GAME MODE... I understand your frustration. But there is no shortage of VC. It is given to you in every game mode. If you play a MyLeague game, about 1000 VC. If you play a MyGM game, that's about 1000 VC. Oh you accomplished a goal by your owner, here's some more VC, if you simmed your whole season and hit some goals, have some more instant VC. If you play MyTEAM, here's 1000 VC. If you play Blacktop, here's some VC. You want to just [i]PlayNow? Here's 1000 VC. Online MyLeague with your friends, here's another 1000 VC per game. Oh you pre-ordered? Here's 5000 (minimum) VC And for every game you play in MyCareer, here's 400-900 VC. You get VC by playing 2k17, and you can spend it however, and wherever you want. You can save a bunch of VC and use it all on your MyPlayer if you want before you even play an NBA game. There's no shortage of VC if you're enjoying the game as a whole.

Agree with everything except the paragraph in red. As someone else commented just before or after the quoted thread, "Cognitive dissonance. Game designers need to learn how to make games" (or something). Too true.

The fun of any game is the challenge. The potential for failure and winning anyway. But you have to be able to fail for that to work. It it absolutely no fun, nor is it exciting for me to have a story rammed down my throat where I'm automatically "the next big thing", especially if I didn't earn it, and more than that, it's just stupid and and unrealistic.

If you disagree and you're paying the money for the game just to be the next Lebron James, just dish out an extra 50 bucks and buy a bunch of VC. Or better yet - just play as Lebron James.

# 86 El_Poopador @ 10/14/16 10:59 AM

Let me put it this way regarding your starting player ratings:

I am a better basketball player in real life than my #2 overall NBA draft pick My Player. I'm faster, I have better reaction time, and I can damn sure shoot better. So yes, My Career has a realism problem, because the player you start out with has no business even playing basketball at the college level, much less being drafted to an NBA team.

# 87 MrDubya @ 10/16/16 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 335TDC


	No reason for the 55 starting OVR other than to funnel frustrated users to purchasing VC. Add the insane push to monetize on VC -- basically pimping an entire mode to it -- to the myriad bugs and glitches in gameplay and you have a company that put out a broken game while at the same time whispering in your ear to give them more money...! I support 2k's right to have VC and I have not bought a single VC credit, so I'm not hating or saying they're "forcing" you to do anything. But the combination of a game released with so many problems, LEGITIMATELY broken features, and the VC push in MyCareer has me bailing ship. I will NOT buy 2k next year unless significant changes are made to VC and the game's core features are confirmed to work out of the box. The state of things right now is DESPICABLE and DISRESPECTFUL to customers.

I agree. It is a despicable and carny practice to do this.

# 88 MrDubya @ 10/16/16 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jake44np


	Wow you complained about it being unrealistic and then gave them a ton of money to make your player better and more realistic?? Sounds like you did exactly what they wanted you to do. lol

Lol. Exactly. I'm not taking the bait anymore. Only reason I even got 2K16, was because it was free on PSN.

# 89 El_Poopador @ 10/16/16 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rich8682


	So you think that you would be a 60+ overall in 2k? You think you can hang with NBA players? Did you play D1 ball? If not then you wouldn't stand a chance. Sent from my SM-G386W using Tapatalk

No, I couldn't hang with NBA players, and that's the point I, along with many others, have been trying to make.

I can say that I can shoot better than my created player just by watching him shooting around in the gym. I can outrun him based on how long it takes him to sprint from one end of the court to the other. I have better reaction time based on how long it takes him to move when I press on the joystick, or how long it takes him to realize there is a loose ball at his feet.

No, I cannot hang with NBA players, and neither can my created #1 draft pick, who, in all honesty, barely belongs on a high school court with his skillset and athleticism.

# 90 El_Poopador @ 10/16/16 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rich8682


	Except your guy is a 55 by nba standards. You're probably like a 25. Sent from my SM-G386W using Tapatalk

You're missing the point. Clearly the OVR number doesn't mean much, because the player you start with can barely hit a mid-range jump shot alone in the practice gym. That is not an NBA-caliber player.

By the inflated OVR you get in My Career, I would be more like a 65, when compared to my player's starting attributes.

# 91 El_Poopador @ 10/17/16 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by rich8682


	Well the thing about that is that the shootaround doesn't actually represent how NBA players shoot in shootarounds. The shootaround is the same percentage as game shots. Sent from my SM-G386W using Tapatalk

Ok, he still struggles to hit a wide open jumper. I don't see what your argument is here.

# 92 nuckles2k2 @ 10/17/16 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by El_Poopador


	Ok, he still struggles to hit a wide open jumper. I don't see what your argument is here.

You're 100% right.

It can be summarized as "it would take at least one elite hoops skill to get that nat'l media attention out of HS. Your starting MyPlayer has none."

It would take something, anything, to separate yourself from the thousands of HS hoop & AAU players. You'd need something to flash, and then show consistently to get your name mentioned on the national scale. Your starting MyCareer player is bottomed out, RPG style, but the scripted story presents you as a player who has already shown flashes of brilliance on the court, without ever really going into detail about what separates you from all of the other players who can run, dunk, pass, and shoot, when need-be...

I mean...Lance Stephenson has been hyped since his days at Lincoln, he dominated on then court -- you could see the handle, the athleticism, the finishing around the rim...and he didn't get the type of hype you see 'Pres' get from the jump. 'Pres' is on par with The Brow, KD, & Irving. But all 4 people named came into the league with elite NBA attributes that teams wanted to nurture & develop. 'Pres' comes in with a story of being the "next big thing" while having the skills of a rec league player.

Anyone who tries to "defend" the current setup is just on that "non-consumer consumer" kick. "If it's good enough for me, then that means it's clearly the best it can be."

# 93 nokehawk @ 10/17/16 06:38 PM

One other problem. The media is talking about how I'm the story of the year, and I rank 164th in jersey sales, even though I was named a starter for the All Star team. I mean, which is it? Am I a huge f'n deal, or a scrub who sells fewer jerseys than Quincy Acy?

# 94 nokehawk @ 10/17/16 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Soze Mucky


	i dont even bother playing a new player without buying 75,000 vc to get him to a decent level. another thing that pissed me off today is i got drafted to the raptors as a point guard, so me and justice young will be replacing lowry and derozan as starters rofl... such bull****.

Don't spend the VC on your player until you see what situation he's drafted into. I learned that the hard way last year.

# 95 nokehawk @ 10/17/16 06:58 PM

I'd be fine with VC if they gave us the ability to purchase inexpensive clothing options to customize our player in MyCareer mode only. And the ability is RIGHT THERE - they just need to move your pro-AM gear into the same category as your MyPark gear, and leave your MyCareer clothing as an option by itself.

By the way, bad enough that I need to spend 700 VC for a fricking elbow pad, but I've got to spend it TWICE, if I want my player to look similar in MyCareer, MyPark, and Pro Am. Since when does it cost basically an NBA game check to get ankle wraps? No compression shorts for you, Prez - you're still not a 70 OVR yet.

# 96 AndreSwagassi86 @ 10/19/16 01:22 AM

It's been this way since mycareer started. Even before VC. Do y'all remember your ovr in 2k10 after the combine? It was the 30s lol. It won't change. Get used to it

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# 97 AndreSwagassi86 @ 10/19/16 01:34 AM

You guys do realize the OVR doesn't take affect until you get drafted right??? Your college games your ratings are boosted dramatically high for the sake of the story. You blow high school and College out the water. Now because you have done that. The media, the shoe companies , your agent etc ... put a lot of faith in your POTENTIAL ... now it's time to show and prove. And this year they have Cut scenes for consistent negative play which is something i do like

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# 98 timothythefirst @ 10/19/16 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MoodMuzik


	Remember when Sebastion Telfair was hyped to take over the league WITH LeBron James? Lol Stephen Marbury had a whole documentary about him too. Andrew Wiggins: toted as the "Next LeBron James" 1 year later Ben Simmons still in college called the "Next LeBron James", then taken #1 in the draft. No one knows how these guys are going to turn out, hell Simmons just broke his foot we don't know if he'll end up being very good at all. The media is never shy about giving a guy NBA Great comparisons and trying to find the next big thing. Most often the media falls on its face, as does that player. And again, for being drafted as a 55 overall, for all the hype Pres gets, without being able to run, shoot, dribble, layup... you can still by the end of your ROOKIE SEASON finish with an average 27ppg 7 assists and 8 Rebounds with probably 3 steals and 2 blocks. Lol it's a game, your overall doesn't dictate everything.

you say stephon marbury and sebastian telfair... in NBA 2k5, when sebastian telfair was a hyped up young player, marbury's overall was 87 and telfair was 70. (and marbury was in his prime by then... and was really good for a few years so he doesn't really help your point)

if you're player is going to suck it should be because you suck at the game not because the game is putting unrealistic ratings on you.

# 99 mrchiggs @ 10/23/16 03:59 PM

I love the idea of MyCareer, but the execution is deeply flawed. For 1, why is everything worth doing packed into the first year? Its called a Career, not MySeason. And yeah I don't like who money is used in this mode either. Why do sneakers cost more then i make a game!? How is it mycareer, when I don't make my own decisions? And why is the scanning so bad?

Also, why mid season are me and Justice Starting over Kyle Lowry and Demar Derozen? Im a point guard and so is he!? So im 6'3" and he's like 6'2".

# 100 VDusen04 @ 11/13/16 10:27 AM

Finally had a chance to experience MyCareer for the first time since the next gen switchover. It really bums me out to see all this mode could be then seeing everything it actually is.

There's so many great aspects in place - using my own face is one of the coolest things (and apparently a ton easier than what I saw from people last year), the activities and practice make sense, there's interactions with other players... but the whole storyline and movie-plot thing is just So. Unbelievably. Awful.

All I want to do, after I literally create myself, is to experience my own personal career in the NBA. Instead, I'm thrust into this strange and terribly unrealistic storyline where I have a fake teammate that will undeniably lead to some sort of cheaply manufactured drama that will push me as far away from a realistic 2016-17 NBA experience as possible.

It's just an unfortunate feeling. The realism of creating myself is just at such complete odds with what the mode actually is, where I'm forced to be anything but myself while doing things I'd never do, saying what I'd never say, and experiencing something that'll never happen in the NBA this year.

I understand the idea of me playing in the NBA is fantasy in itself, but I wish it was a fantastical element (myself) being injected into a realistic environment instead of a fantastical element being injected into a fantastical environment with forced drama with fake players and all the other stuff that comes with it.

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