12:22 PM - October 3, 2016 by RaychelSnr
I’m here to talk about something else. Just like last year, your guy. You. The President of basketball, aka Pres, flat out SUCKS!
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12:22 PM - October 3, 2016 by RaychelSnrI’m here to talk about something else. Just like last year, your guy. You. The President of basketball, aka Pres, flat out SUCKS!
Read More - MyCAREER Has a Realism Problem
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# 61
MrWrestling3 @ 10/04/16 03:11 PM
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In all seriousness... 2k put out a game they envisioned. A 20 year career mode (if you play ONLINE, yes, they should separate the 2). Which is basketball's version of a 20 year campaign mode. If you would like to immerse yourself in what the developers envisioned, please do. Live the life of a "tedious practice filled NBA career (or you know, don't because you can skip those, and yes, you won't get better, ergo the reason for practicing in life). BUT, if you would like to skip ahead into the career, OR you don't have TIME to play this all out, the option to spend $10 extra here or there (AT YOUR OWN DISCRETION, they don't just rip $60 more out of your wallets, you don't have to go ALL IN) the option is there.
Kobe Bryant being the cover is probably the perfect example for this years story.
Drafted just after lottery in the 1st round. Still came off the bench for 15 minutes a game only (yeah the first round near-lotto pick from High School with great upside). Scored 7 ppg.
2nd year, huge minutes jump just under 30minpergame, still got 16ppg.
3rd year, now playing a whopping 38 minutes a game! Still has yet to score 20ppg average.
Wasn't until his 4th year that he popped the 22+ clip. And we know how hard of a worker Kobe is.
So don't say all of this is unrealistic, 2K created a long story instead of years past of being a 99 overall after your rookie season. You can grind like an NBA player who excelled at the High School and College level, and now has to work to be good in NBA.
Hell, Matt Leinart was probably an 85 overall coming out of college into the NFL, but he was probably close to a 60
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El_Poopador @ 10/04/16 05:16 PM
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In any case, I wasn't even referring to online play. I start the game at a severe disadvantage compared to every single opposing player I might come up against. In all aspects: speed, strength, quickness, dribbling, shooting, passing, stamina, etc. Whether I start playing the game on release day or 6 months later, I am not able to keep up with other NBA players, who should possess a similar skillset and athletic ability as myself.
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No one wants to be a 99 from the start. I don't understand how anyone thinks that. All we want is to actually have the skillset and athleticism of an NBA player when we, you know, play in the NBA.
It's not the fact that you start out as a 55 rated player that is the big issue people are taking with the story, even though it lessens the fun to have the speed and basketball skills of your average tree log starting out. The issue people are taking with you starting out as a 55 rated tree log is that you are presented all the way through college as someone special and the next big sensation.
- You were the number one high school player in America and your college choice was national news.
- The broadcasters during your college games talks about you like you are the next big thing.
- During the Midnight Madness you are hailed as a savior of the school and someone who are gonna lead the program to a Championship.
- You are recruited to play for Team USA by Coach K before you are even drafted.
- When you're drafted people are talking about you as their next Franchise player.
- When you are presented on the press conference with the other drafted players you leave afterwards with your agent to talk to shoe companies.
These are not things that make you fit with being the lowest skilled player in your draft class.
It would be fine to be a nobody coming into the league if the story surrounding you fit the narrative of you being someone who has to fight for everything on your way to the top. If you are presented as a D-League level player who barley made it to the NBA, a 55 rating would be fine. But you still should have the basic athletic abilities to outrun a walking Dick Bavetta carrying Charles Barkley when you're running full speed.
- You were the number one high school player in America and your college choice was national news.
- The broadcasters during your college games talks about you like you are the next big thing.
- During the Midnight Madness you are hailed as a savior of the school and someone who are gonna lead the program to a Championship.
- You are recruited to play for Team USA by Coach K before you are even drafted.
- When you're drafted people are talking about you as their next Franchise player.
- When you are presented on the press conference with the other drafted players you leave afterwards with your agent to talk to shoe companies.
These are not things that make you fit with being the lowest skilled player in your draft class.
It would be fine to be a nobody coming into the league if the story surrounding you fit the narrative of you being someone who has to fight for everything on your way to the top. If you are presented as a D-League level player who barley made it to the NBA, a 55 rating would be fine. But you still should have the basic athletic abilities to outrun a walking Dick Bavetta carrying Charles Barkley when you're running full speed.
Why not adjust the difficulty? Why does everyone think they HAVE to play on HOF? Or SS for that matter?
And fact is, at a 70 overall you're already over-powered.
Look at Smoove, he jumped into a level 78... 78 only... and it looked like was the quickest, fastest, kyrie irving handled player to ever touch a basketball. Flying around the court with absurd ease, in and out of double teams, easy layups and racking up assists.
All done on the hardest difficult^^^
And that's supposed to be an average player.
And fact is, at a 70 overall you're already over-powered.
Look at Smoove, he jumped into a level 78... 78 only... and it looked like was the quickest, fastest, kyrie irving handled player to ever touch a basketball. Flying around the court with absurd ease, in and out of double teams, easy layups and racking up assists.
All done on the hardest difficult^^^
And that's supposed to be an average player.
I understand your gripes, but I actually enjoy the story. Last year it was awful, but I respected the fact that they were trying to put some effort into the mode. Unlike Madden(last time I played) which lets you just pick what team you're on, and has you just play games.
I hope next year they add the D-league back in kind of like it was in 2k10. In summary, I rather 2k try to do something different and fail rather than keep shipping the same product...you know who you are.
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I hope next year they add the D-league back in kind of like it was in 2k10. In summary, I rather 2k try to do something different and fail rather than keep shipping the same product...you know who you are.
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I think the only way to do it really, is to have your high school or college year(s) and wherever you go in the draft, you get a ratings cap.
Top 3 - 75 overall
Lotto - 70 overall... so on and so forth.
Top 3 - 75 overall
Lotto - 70 overall... so on and so forth.
Have always felt that realism has been lacking in MyCareer, not only is starting so low with your rating bad, barely being able to dunk, dribble or make a lay-up much less shoot but what you get paid in VC compared to what you have to pay to buy things is terribly off base.
I make an appearance and do an event for a company. I get anywhere from 50-120 VC... go to the "store" and a Arm Sleeve is 1'000 VC? Totally ridiculous
I make an appearance and do an event for a company. I get anywhere from 50-120 VC... go to the "store" and a Arm Sleeve is 1'000 VC? Totally ridiculous
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This is why I'm waiting on Steam summer sale to hopefully get this for 12 bucks like I did 2k16. I only play MC mode and since it's looks to be like last years story mode, I will skip till the 2nd season (which kills it for me because I like to build my guy up and play every game). Can't you just do a mode were it can be like 2k10 with summer league games? Either play them then get drafted or get drafted then play them for your new team to see if you get called up. Either way will be better then this story mode junk.
# 71
NARFALICIOUS @ 10/05/16 04:16 AM
Who is complaining about being rated 55 in college? At 55, I can get drafted in the lottery on Allstar Difficulty. I wouldn't spend VC until I know Im happy with how the career is going, i.e. position, body style, team..
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StubbyStan @ 10/05/16 12:28 PM
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There are several people on the thread that are saying that there's a legitimate reason to keep you that low gimped because human players are THAT much better than the AI that an average human player will always outplay an AI controlled superstar. That shouldn't be the case.
If the narrative talks about you as being a great prospect, you should be rated as such, not the lowest skilled player in the league (which is exactly what you are).
Thanks so much for reading the piece and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Why everytime I TOUCH the ball I'm immediately double teamed? CPU defenders will leave their man to come double me from the tip-off til end of the game. I'm a Post-Scorer PF and due to the lacking statcap for playmaking this is a game-killer honestly
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"....Wouldn’t it make sense from a immersion -- and moral -- standpoint to start your player with a rating in at least the 70s..."
I disagree, but what they should have done is to write a story that fits us starting as a 55 overall and grinding our ways into stardom.
In a way the NBA2K15 approach made way more sense, you started as an undrafted, 55 overall player, working your way into the NBA mid season by starting off on a 10 day contact. That story was perfect, but unfortunately badly executed.
I think you can summarize this very simply. Realistically you should start out at around 70 rating, but realistically they want to make a little extra money so they should start us out at a 65. The problem is this game is so good and so popular but they will milk every dime they can and start you out at a 57, which would basically be there waiting that my mom would get if she played basketball. It's unfortunate but they can do it because they want to
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keshunleon @ 10/12/16 04:29 PM
I agree with the OP, 55 yet you are drafted in the 1st round. He should start off at least at a 73 or 75 then you can work your way up.
I spent $20 on VC to get my player up to 80 and I spent a lot of time practicing. I've earned about 7000 VC but because of the servers I can't collect on it (this sucks the most).
They may need to have it where you can only increase your rating 5-10 points per season for realism.
I have had 3 triple doubles in 5 games and 2 30+ games.
I spent $20 on VC to get my player up to 80 and I spent a lot of time practicing. I've earned about 7000 VC but because of the servers I can't collect on it (this sucks the most).
They may need to have it where you can only increase your rating 5-10 points per season for realism.
I have had 3 triple doubles in 5 games and 2 30+ games.
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In fact, I walk out of the room during the cut-scenes and turn the commentary off during games because it just ruins the experience. It's not "MY Career" at all. It's "THE PRES's Career".
Not only that, I play on HOF (and I aint that good at it!). My dude is a rookie, 20th draft pick, getting about 10 minutes a game, averaging 3 points, 1 block, 5 rebounds 1.5 assists. Which isn't half bad in real life for a 19 year old rookie coming off the bench for ten minutes.
But the cut-scenes constantly refer to him being in a slump and playing really badly.
Social media is even worse. Half of them are tearing shreds off him as if he should be leading the team in all stats and he's the next coming of Micheal Jordan only getting a few points per game ... and the other half are asking when he's going to be on the cover of the next 2K18! WTF? Neither thing is appropriate.
There's two problems here:
1. The world around you all acts in a totally pre-scripted, "he's a superstar" way regardless of how you're actually playing.
The game is built with your player being "the star" as pre-scripted. Even if you play horribly you're still treated as "the star". You still get a starting spot at X pre-scripted point. You still form some dumb "orange juice" connection with another rookie coming off the bench. You still get major shoe deals. You still get selected to play for the national team. etc. etc.
There is no path in the game where you play as a guy fighting for a starting spot, or just fighting not to get cut from the team. And of course nobody wants to be in that position, but actually succeeding and getting the starting spot, becoming the star or the super-star, etc. that will be all the more rewarding if it isn't your pre-defined destiny from day #1 no matter what you do.
FFS, I actually simmed through a rookie season as an experiment to see what would happen, and my guy still got selected in the bloody all-star team and the dunk competition even though my sim-stats were awful and he was still rated 55 overall!
2. When your stats are actually taken into consideration, your actual court time is not!
For example, you could play 6 minutes and score 4 points, 4 rebounds and an assist and this will be treated by the game as if your player is "in a slump". Your mum will text you and tell you how bad you're playing. lol. wtf? They're great stats for six minutes of play from a 19 year old rookie. Guys on social media will tear shreds off you for not passing more or something silly like that.
P.S. so basically, I have the opposite opinion of what many others have expressed.
They seem to want you player to start with higher stats so the story makes sense.
I want the story to react and make sense compared to your stats.
If you're rated 57 overall you are NOT the number one high school player. You are NOT getting major shoe endorsement contracts. And social media fans, commentators, team-mates, etc. do NOT treat you like the next coming of Michael Jordan.
Of course, they should do all that if you EARN it over the season OR if you just had heaps of VC to max-out your player from day #1. Now that is all totally pre-scripted though.
Part of the problem is the over-reliance on cut-scenes. I'd enjoy the game much more if they just removed all the cut-scenes and in fact the whole "story", and just made it an open-world basketball career simulation. You might be a superstar. You might be fighting not to get cut from the team. Either way, the sim-basketball world around you reacts realistically.
They seem to want you player to start with higher stats so the story makes sense.
I want the story to react and make sense compared to your stats.
If you're rated 57 overall you are NOT the number one high school player. You are NOT getting major shoe endorsement contracts. And social media fans, commentators, team-mates, etc. do NOT treat you like the next coming of Michael Jordan.
Of course, they should do all that if you EARN it over the season OR if you just had heaps of VC to max-out your player from day #1. Now that is all totally pre-scripted though.
Part of the problem is the over-reliance on cut-scenes. I'd enjoy the game much more if they just removed all the cut-scenes and in fact the whole "story", and just made it an open-world basketball career simulation. You might be a superstar. You might be fighting not to get cut from the team. Either way, the sim-basketball world around you reacts realistically.
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... and I agree 100% with everything that was said.
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