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An In-Depth Look at the Changes to the NBA 2K16 Ratings System

09:41 PM - August 21, 2015 by Steve_OS

Mike Stauffer, AKA Beds, has just posted an in-depth look at the changes to the NBA 2K16 ratings system. It is definitely an interesting approach that will generate plenty of discussion. Read it over and post your thoughts.

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# 101 bamalam @ 08/22/15 12:01 PM

Glad to see the HOF ratings being implemented. Overdue.

# 102 24ct @ 08/22/15 12:12 PM

Cool info about harden. I didn't know he shot that many throws.

I mean I guess they can't throw in rule changes tho. Were some guys were from the handcheck/I'll clothesline you going to the rack era ? Lol

Now a hard breath otw to the cup is a flagarant 2 lol.

But regardless I guess if he drew that many fouls it's warranted.

I do agree with using HOF/advanced stats tho.
Personally if they have it so everybody can get 80 badges, I would rather see no attributes and more tendencies but I'm cool with this change.

Idek how no attributes would work, it's just seeing guys have 80 badges in areas where there tendencies are low is weird. Like I said before they could do infinite or higher skill caps like level 50 defender but have badges represent how often he goes for steals & gets them but that probably wouldn't even work in retrospect. I guess you need those rating numbers to dumb into the probability pool so if you shoot a jumper with a guy who has 90 jumpshot vs a 90 defender you get a 50/50 probability outcome.

# 103 jcmreds @ 08/22/15 12:30 PM

This sounds good to me, and hopefully leads to more realistic gameplay.

# 104 DJ @ 08/22/15 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Da_Czar


	If the responses here tell me anything. It is that no matter what anyone does everyone has a better way to do it concerning rosters.LOL.

Preach on, Czar. Me personally? I'm a fan of this new player ratings outlook. Sounds like the group, led by Beds, really listened to feedback from the community and also used their pre-2K roster-making experience to reach a conclusion that should benefit everyone.

# 105 GSW @ 08/22/15 12:46 PM

I just want to say thank you.

I've been campaigning this approach for years and years and years and years.

Last year (2k15) was my last straw with the ratings because when I landed a Ruby DENNIS RODMAN he was being out rebounded by everyone on the court. He was useless, and it really took away from my enjoyment of the game.

I'm happy there is a standard now and there will be less leaning on what someone *thinks* someone should be rated.

That being said, how are tendencies, and physical attributes weighted? For instance, if you say "Shaq/Karl Malone are the strongest NBA players ever they are 99" then what determines a 98/97/96 etc?

is EVERY rating based on a "Hall of Fame" scale? Does this mean Toronto Raptors Vince carter is a 99 Vertical? 99 dunk? Can we get some clarity?

# 106 2_headedmonster @ 08/22/15 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaLiveKing


	That's why I think it's kind of dumb to have the HOF scale. I understand it, let's see how it works, but they should have done it with Eras IMO. Either that or raise the scale higher than 99 or 100

Huh....higher than 100?

# 107 therizing02 @ 08/22/15 01:10 PM

Love it. Another example of why 2K is light years beyond their competitors in terms of flexibility, open mindedness, and especially transparency.

Ratings are always going to be subjective and everyone will have an opinion on who should get a be what rating. Unfortunately, most of those opinions are based on unconscious or conscious personal bias.

Steve Kerr was mentioned earlier and made me think of how 2K would rate players if they are traded and implemented into another teams system and offensive/defensive approach. Part of Steve Kerr's high 3 point percentage was because he was with Jordan and Pippen. Would he have had the same percentage on a lesser team?

How will ratings be adjusted based on system and scheme?

# 108 VDusen04 @ 08/22/15 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 2_headedmonster


	Huh....higher than 100?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOO5S4vxi0o

# 109 Luke Skywalker @ 08/22/15 01:52 PM

I don't think this new rating scale has any logic ... the NBA had rule changes, therefore players can score easily. Defense is softer than the 80s. It is even said by some that LeBron James would be an average player in yesterday's NBA. This is why it will not work. Unless you have special sliders to represent the eras.

# 110 ayoooo @ 08/22/15 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker


	I don't think this new rating scale has any logic ... the NBA had rule changes, therefore players can score easily. Defense is softer than the 80s. It is even said by some that LeBron James would be an average player in yesterday's NBA. This is why it will not work. Unless you have special sliders to represent the eras.

Defenses are better today than in the 80s and it's not even close. And if anyone tells you that LeBron would be average in yesterdays NBA... well, they're wrong.

Love the new changes to the rating systems. Everyone was over inflated. They had a scale from 1-99, why not use the full thing? Everyone was good in an area was in the 90s so you could barely notice any difference between players.

There should be a notable difference when Rodman is on the court, compared to someone like Cody Zeller. But it really wasn't a major difference.

# 111 JohnnyCash2015 @ 08/22/15 02:09 PM

FWIW, rodman has never felt like rodman in 2k.

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# 112 Wildcats302 @ 08/22/15 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker


	I don't think this new rating scale has any logic ... the NBA had rule changes, therefore players can score easily. Defense is softer than the 80s. It is even said by some that LeBron James would be an average player in yesterday's NBA. This is why it will not work. Unless you have special sliders to represent the eras.

Who are these some? LOL. Ridiculous.

# 113 DTHEGAWD @ 08/22/15 02:39 PM

How is KD only a 91? Steph better not have a higher rating than LeBron too, LeBron deserved a 95 his RS stats weren't as good as past year's due to injuries and adjusting to a new system but he was sensational in the playoffs.

I always tinker with the ratings and make my own roster when the game comes out actually analyzing advanced stats and shooting charts so it really doesn't matter to me.

Also, why is that scrub Dellavadova a 71 he deserves nothing above a 69...

2K will make '98 Michael Jordan a 99 and then give players like LBJ and KD who were better than him by that point less than a 95 c'mon a lot of these historical players are overpowered if we're being real yet they set the bar.

# 114 DTHEGAWD @ 08/22/15 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker


	I don't think this new rating scale has any logic ... the NBA had rule changes, therefore players can score easily. Defense is softer than the 80s. It is even said by some that LeBron James would be an average player in yesterday's NBA. This is why it will not work. Unless you have special sliders to represent the eras.

Stop listening to biased geezers the game planning and strategics defensively are on another level than the 80's and every statistic related to defense in the NBA is lower low than it was then.

LeBron would be a monster in the 80's his stats would be higher due to pace.

# 115 BluFu @ 08/22/15 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bedwardsroy19


	All of the benchmarks are determined, by advanced stats (and other data if advanced stats weren't available at that time). Rodman was just an example to help explain conceptually how the system works.

Two things that are gonna determine the success of this.

1. The strictness of this system (for current nba players). Completely based on stats and not reputation. Let the casuals cry.

2. How well this translates into sim stats. If this ensures Jason Smith isn't leading the league in BPG, Damian Lillard isn't recording 9+ APG, Westbrook isn't a 50% shooter, and Drummond will dominate the offensive glass, I'm all for it.

# 116 raiderphantom @ 08/22/15 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DTHEGAWD


	How is KD only a 91? Steph better not have a higher rating than LeBron too, LeBron deserved a 95 his RS stats weren't as good as last year's due to injuries and adjusting to a new system but he was sensational in the playoffs. I always tinker with the ratings and make my own roster when the game comes out actually analyzing advanced stats and shooting charts so it really doesn't matter to me. Also, why is that scrub Dellavadova a 71 he deserves nothing above a 69... 2K will make '98 Michael Jordan a 99 and then give players like LBJ and KD who were better than him by that point less than a 95 c'mon a lot of these historical players are overpowered if we're being real yet they set the bar.

I respect that you use metrics to rate players and have some knowledge of roster making but I don't understand these type of posts. How do you know 2K hasn't altered the overall formula or added more attributes? You already have it narrowed down to the exact overall?

# 117 DTHEGAWD @ 08/22/15 03:10 PM

If it's based on advanced stats than Anthony Davis would be the highest rated player in the game...

If it's based on advanced stats '98 MJ isn't a 99

If it's really based on advanced stats how did a player with a single digit PER, who shot damn near 35% in the season and who despite his efforts projects as an average defender like Dellavedova get a 71 overall?

# 118 lakers24 @ 08/22/15 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DTHEGAWD


	If it's based on advanced stats than Anthony Davis would be the highest rated player in the game... If it's based on advanced stats '98 MJ isn't a 99 If it's really based on advanced stats how did a player with a single digit PER, who shot damn near 35% in the season and who despite his efforts projects as an average defender like Dellavedova get a 71 overall?

Just because it's based on it, that doesn't mean it makes up the entire formula.

# 119 DTHEGAWD @ 08/22/15 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by raiderphantom


	I respect that you use metrics to rate players and have some knowledge of roster making but I don't understand these type of posts. How do you know 2K hasn't altered the overall formula or added more attributes? You already have it narrowed down to the exact overall?

I don't know that I'm guessing they haven't because it's been pretty much the same for years. Those are ratings I came up with at the end of the '15 season.

# 120 Luke Skywalker @ 08/22/15 03:29 PM

I can only imagine what my favorite NBA player Deron Williams will be rated in 2K16 ... probably low-to-mod 70s ... I like this idea though, helps out a lot with simulation statistics. Imagine if Madden or other video games followed this same concept?

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