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Mike Wang, Gameplay Director for NBA 2K16 mentioned on Twitter that green releases are much rarer in NBA 2K16 and they will no longer be 100%.

He also mentions the following (in post #22):

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There have been battles even internally over missed green releases, especially now that they're so hard to get. I really think it's an unsolvable problem. The best news I can give you is that our shots engineer has made just about every knob I use to tune shooting modifiable on the server side post release just like a roster update. So if there's something the community isn't happy with I can tweak the system and update your games without the need for a patch. So what happened with patch 4 last year will never happen again.

UPDATE: Mike has chimed in on this topic with more details, to clear up any confusion (post #211)

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Let me clear up a few things as there's a lot of speculation going on right now. This is why I hate Twitter. But anyway...

I have not removed "user skill." There's still a great deal of weight applied to shot timing. So knowing your players' releases is still a key success factor. It's just that shot quality is much more important this year so you have to take good shots.

For those wondering how we made green releases more rare. It's done based on shot %. So if you take a low quality shot, you basically won't be able to achieve an excellent release. As your shot quality improves, the window for an excellent release grows. So again... take good shots.

Last year, green releases were meant to be 100%. If you saw one miss, that was a bug. A good bug... but a bug nonetheless. This year, the shot bonus for greens is still pretty high and it's based on the shot %. So the higher the %, the greater the excellent timing boost. This is basically how our shot system has always worked, I just tuned it. It's kind of a mix between what we had in 14 and 15. And yes, it does kind of suck to miss a green release, but over time, it feels right. Still, I might tweak the system after getting more feedback from everyone... but nobody is really complaining about it internally.

And why don't we just remove the shot meter? Too many people like it and it's still a valuable tool. Not everyone has the time (or desire) to memorize the shot timing for hundreds of players in the league. And if you like to play with lots of teams, or just want to experiment with a new team, the shot meter is very helpful. You can always turn it off if you want.

Last thing, we CAN tune offline differently from online. So I'll be monitoring feedback closely once you guys have the game to make sure everybody's happy.

He also added this on Twitter...

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New Shot Meter option for #NBA2K16 called "Feedback Only." Meter won't draw while shooting, only after release to show how close you were.

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# 101 Chemthethriller @ 08/11/15 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Jhawkfootball06
You're kidding me... zig-zag is the easiest cheese to defend! Just play good defense.

That's another thing that bugs me. Just because you can't defend something does not make it cheese, as they're are players who are much better at playing defense than you that are perfectly capable of defending it.

Again, it's all about getting better. Stop blaming the game and get better.
So how is it easy to defend the 30 ft 3s when you have a hand in the mans face? The dribble moves that tell the CPU that the shooter is "open" is flawed.
 
# 102 Chemthethriller @ 08/11/15 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Jhawkfootball06
If you play good defense, meaning you're in that person's face all the time he won't make 15% of his shots. That is if you can anticipate and play defense, which all comes with experience and time.
I know how to play defense, the problem is great players + demi + green lights 99.9999% + op dribble moves + deadeye.

I know the guy is going to the left, and going to step back on the left wing, he does it and im right there with the right stick contesting the shot. Bang, shot drops, as if I wasn't even there.
 
# 103 Jhawkfootball06 @ 08/11/15 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Chemthethriller
So how is it easy to defend the 30 ft 3s when you have a hand in the mans face? The dribble moves that tell the CPU that the shooter is "open" is flawed.
First off, why are you playing CPU defense? CPU always plays off 1-2 feet of the guy. Not to mention the CPU defender's movements are easily anticipated and you've seen them a million times.
 
# 104 Jhawkfootball06 @ 08/11/15 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Chemthethriller
I know how to play defense, the problem is great players + demi + green lights 99.9999% + op dribble moves + deadeye.

I know the guy is going to the left, and going to step back on the left wing, he does it and im right there with the right stick contesting the shot. Bang, shot drops, as if I wasn't even there.
In those cases you have to anticipate him going left, almost like you beat him to it. Be unpredictable on defense. Don't do what the person expects. That's basketball.
 
# 105 Chemthethriller @ 08/11/15 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Jhawkfootball06
First off, why are you playing CPU defense? CPU always plays off 1-2 feet of the guy. Not to mention the CPU defender's movements are easily anticipated and you've seen them a million times.
No you didnt understand what I meant by CPU, the coding in the game telling the game whats open and whats not.
 
# 106 Jhawkfootball06 @ 08/11/15 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by madmax52277
....If 2k15 had DEFENSE, this dam!! GREEN releases wouldn't mean nothing. 2k please stay focus on stopping plays, better AI teammates, and tougher body on body defensive schemes to stop GREEN release lover's.

All these news are good...but whereda game play at
See... this comment just frustrates me. "If 2K has defense." 2K has defense dude, you just want it to be so damn easy for you that you don't want to practice it.

There are going to be people better than you. That's not 2K's fault that you have trouble guarding them, that is on you.

Another example of a casual blaming 2K for his defensive troubles.
 
# 107 Chemthethriller @ 08/11/15 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jhawkfootball06
In those cases you have to anticipate him going left, almost like you beat him to it. Be unpredictable on defense. Don't do what the person expects. That's basketball.
Dude Im almost a Legend 3, I know how to play defense. Im there, hand in his face.
 
# 108 Jhawkfootball06 @ 08/11/15 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Chemthethriller
Dude Im almost a Legend 3, I know how to play defense. Im there, hand in his face.
You have to anticipate and get there right before he does. Almost like he's bumping into you right before he shoots it. Guarantee miss.
 
# 109 Jhawkfootball06 @ 08/11/15 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by thedream2k16
i have nothing more to say. Keep playing low difficulty game modes bro. You have not valid claim talking about rec where everyone is super human, nba jam dunking, better than jordan in his prime, stepback/spin/etc automatic makes etc etx. Miss me with your complaint.

When you decide to get into a real difficulty, the shooting is still simplistic and like it said, Reggie Evans, Omer Asik and Dwight Howard shouldnt be midrange threats just because i master their release. Thats their deficiency IRL and it should be in 2k as well.
What are you talking about... I'm discussing the most common online game modes here, mainly about playing defense. I've never mentioned once about playing on HOF. I'm creating a point while you are discussing something that barely anybody plays.
 
# 110 Trackball @ 08/11/15 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Jhawkfootball06
You're kidding me... zig-zag is the easiest "cheese" to defend! Just play good defense.

That's another thing that bugs me. Just because you can't defend something does not make it cheese, as they're are players who are much better at playing defense than you that are perfectly capable of defending it.

Again, it's all about getting better. Stop blaming the game and get better.
Which is why there are so many people on Operation Sports, the most sim-centered sports-gaming site I've ever found, complaining about zig-zag being impossible to defend, right?

Zig-zag is an exploit. Cheese.

If it were possible to defend, then make a video demonstrating how to defend it. Surely someone has come up with how to do it by now, and then spread it to all of OS, right?

You're really coming off like a jerk here. I'd cut it out if I were you, before someone brings the hammer down.
 
# 111 Jhawkfootball06 @ 08/11/15 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Trackball
Which is why there are so many people on Operation Sports, the most sim-centered sports-gaming site I've ever found, complaining about zig-zag being impossible to defend, right?

Zig-zag is an exploit. Cheese.

If it were possible to defend, then make a video demonstrating how to defend it. Surely someone has come up with how to do it by now, and then spread it to all of OS, right?

You're really coming off like a jerk here. I'd cut it out if I were you, before someone brings the hammer down.
What is your definition of cheese? My definition is something that can't be defended period. Your definition is something that a lot of people have trouble defending, and in saying so want to blame the game and 2K instead of learning and getting better.

How to defend this all mighty "zig-zag"? I suggest you watch some good twitch players if you are having problems.
 
# 112 Trackball @ 08/11/15 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Jhawkfootball06
What is your definition of cheese? My definition is something that can't be defended period. Your definition is something that a lot of people have trouble defending, and in saying so want to blame the game and 2K instead of learning and getting better.

How to defend this all mighty "zig-zag"? I suggest you watch some good twitch players if you are having problems.
Should crotch kicks and eye-gouges be allowed in MMA?

A lot of people have trouble defending those.
 
# 113 Chemthethriller @ 08/11/15 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Jhawkfootball06
What are you talking about.... I'm discussing the most common online game modes here. That's what this whole discussion is about. I'm creating a point while you are discussing something that barely anybody plays.
Ok you know actually I wont argue with you, if your top of the top in everything, of course you think everything is perfect, yet 98% of people struggle with common **** in this game... so when I see guy drop 143 pts in a rec, there is something wrong... I mean there is a reason people do the same move over and over and over...
 
# 114 Jhawkfootball06 @ 08/11/15 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Trackball
Should crotch kicks and eye-gouges be allowed in MMA?

A lot of people have trouble defending those.
You are comparing illegal MMA moves to not being able to defend a move in a videogame that many other people are capable of defending.
 
# 115 Trackball @ 08/11/15 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Jhawkfootball06
You are comparing illegal MMA moves to not being able to defend a move in a videogame that many other people are capable of defending.
Yet you give no examples of defending it.

Because it's cheese.
 
# 116 Jhawkfootball06 @ 08/11/15 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Trackball
Yet you give no examples of defending it.

Because it's cheese.
You follow the person, that is it. If his zig zag movements are 3 feet left, 3 feet right. You go 2 feet left, 2 feet right. Just so you don't overrun him. And do not hold the right trigger whatsoever as you'll for sure overrun him. It's all about just sitting back, be patient, and go with him.
 
# 117 Hustle Westbrook @ 08/11/15 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Jhawkfootball06
No, I'm not confused. I have over 1200 hours playing this game. I'm a legend 3 in the rec, as well as the number one seed in MyTeam. Nothing gets me more upset than hearing you guys complain about this. Just play good defense, that is it. It's not hard.

Patch 4 made it so that good shots had a better chance of going in and contested shots had a worse chance. But the problem is you casuals have such a hard time guarding people one on one that you give people wide open shots. Then you blame then game instead of trying to get better. Defense is everything. If you play great defense I guarantee your opponent will have troubles shooting. That is it.

Stop blaming the game and get better. It's that simple.

MyTeam and Rec Center? LOL!
 
# 118 Cowboyfan_19 @ 08/11/15 09:22 PM
I sense certain people are raging that they can't zig zag anymore for easy 3s HAHAHA!
 
# 119 Trackball @ 08/11/15 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jhawkfootball06
You follow the person, that is it. If his zig zag movements are 3 feet left, 3 feet right. You go 2 feet left, 2 feet right. Just so you don't overrun him. And do not hold the right trigger whatsoever as you'll for sure overrun him. It's all about just sitting back, be patient, and go with him.
If it was that easy, why aren't more people on OS doing it?
 
# 120 Cavsfan4life @ 08/11/15 09:32 PM
Pretty happy to hear this, it took the excitement out of big shots when playing online, never liked the idea of knowing my shot was going in after seeing green. Good shots need to be rewarded, getting a meter to the sweet spot shouldnt always be perfect, and being able to adjust it without a patch is great.
 


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