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# 101 Cabish @ 09/11/14 04:17 PM
This look like the NFL 2k5 of basketball,like 2k is taking the nfl license fiasco personal and intend to wipe ea out of the only license they compete on, lol
 
# 102 scottyp180 @ 09/11/14 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by aholbert32
Im interested in what people were expecting. It looks like a 2k game. It looks like an improved 2k14 which is what everyone shouldve been expecting.

What game offers SIGNIFICANT gameplay changes year to year? Madden looks like an improved Madden 25 with new presentation elements. Same with FIFA. Same with the Show. Same with Live.

Why do people expect to be blown away every year when no sports video game ever do that?
The short, simple, obvious answer would be bigger improvements to gameplay in the second year of a new generation. On the surface 2k has everything you can ask for a basketball game: great graphics, good animations, controls that allow you to perform nearly any move desire (specific cross overs, spin moves, eurosteps, hopsteps, up and unders, reverse layups/dunks, lefty/righty layups, fade away, fall away, floaters, ball fakes, pump fakes, post fakes, shimmy moves, hook shots, and so on), solid presentation/commentating, game modes that cover the essentials and some (quick games, online games, franchise mode, online league/franchise mode, playoff mode, my player mode, practice/tutorial mode), playbooks and team/player specific plays, AND customization options (sliders, roster edits, playbook edits, etc).

HOWEVER, with all that said, it doesn't mean things can't and shouldn't be improved or added. Animations can always improve, controls could be more responsive, AI intelligence and awareness could use some work, improvements to presentation and commentating is always welcome, stadium atmospheres, etc. I love 2K and believe they release a solid game every year but I don't want them to get to a point where they think "we have a great game already let's play it safe instead of really trying to take the series, basketball games, and sports games to the next level".

If you look at 2k6-2k9 for ps3/360 each one of those games was different. They were still 2k basketball but graphics changed each year, animations changed, gameplay was a bit different each year. It might not be reasonable to expect the same amount of change this generation but change should be expected to some extent. To me 2k is the Spurs of basketball games. Consistent every year with some truly great, championship worthy seasons here and there but at some point the formula is going to have to change and they won't be able to get away with modifying the same team or game engine.
 
# 103 Mintsa @ 09/11/14 04:25 PM
I think it looks great ! It's 2k basketball. I love the gameplay, I'll love it again.
 
# 104 HowDareI @ 09/11/14 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by scottyp180
If you look at 2k6-2k9 for ps3/360 each one of those games was different. They were still 2k basketball but graphics changed each year, animations changed, gameplay was a bit different each year. It might not be reasonable to expect the same amount of change this generation but change should be expected to some extent. To me 2k is the Spurs of basketball games. Consistent every year with some truly great, championship worthy seasons here and there but at some point the formula is going to have to change and they won't be able to get away with modifying the same team or game engine.
Graphically there's not much more they can do. They said they've added animations, if you look close at these gameplay vids you can see a bunch.

I think the game's engine is solid, they just need to reach the same level of refinement they had in 2K14 for 360/PS3. I feel like next gen was a little slow on the responsiveness and it only got worse when you went online.

If they focus on refining the gameplay, adding modes/adding to the modes we already have, and having stable servers 2K never has to worry about competition.

I think we're all so spoiled by 2K that we expect too much when we have a very good game in front of us.

...And no I'm no fanboy, I can point out a ton of issues but I also understand the work that's put into these games year in year out lol.
 
# 105 blues rocker @ 09/11/14 04:28 PM
still doesn't seem like there's much of a penalty for dribbling into your own teammates (can't completely confirm that from this video, but there was a moment where it looked like Kyrie backed the ball right into a teammate at 1:10, but he didn't lose the ball...and another time at 1:42 Kyrie dribbled right into Varejao but didn't lose the ball)....i don't really expect 2k to ever truly fix this, as it would make it too hard for casuals to move around the court without constantly losing the ball off of other players' feet, legs and arms...unfortunately the average gamer doesn't have the awareness to actually pay attention to where they're dribbling, so people are allowed to just recklessly dribble into teammates with no consequences
 
# 106 scottyp180 @ 09/11/14 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Halloween
I'm honestly not too excited about that.

Game 'feels' and basically looks the same since forever. They never work on their weaknesses they only build up on the strong parts. I'm beginning to think they should completely rework the game from ground up gameplay wise, starting with actual footplanting.

To see those players constantly hovering all over the place just doesn't quite do it for me anymore. Live 15 has better footplanting imo and I think it really adds to both gameplay and realism. Unfortunately 2k doesn't seem to share my view on priorities.
The problem with working the game from the ground up is that in the process they will be hurting the overall product for a few years. This is exactly what Live attempted and they still haven't recovered. 2k basketball is far from broken but with the game engine they are using they may never be able to take the game and genre to new heights. Their options are to either continue improving the formula, or start from scratch so that in a few years the game will reach a level that was previously not possibld due to the game engine.
 
# 107 Seanzie @ 09/11/14 04:37 PM
Game looks better than last year, which is saying something. The offensive animations look smoother to me.

I love how people see a 4 and a half minute video and say there are no new gameplay improvements. Really people?
 
# 108 tha_show256 @ 09/11/14 04:40 PM
I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, or start a Live vs 2k war...but, after watching videos of Live, this 2k short clip is a breathe of fresh air!!
 
# 109 HowDareI @ 09/11/14 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by scottyp180
The problem with working the game from the ground up is that in the process they will be hurting the overall product for a few years. This is exactly what Live attempted and they still haven't recovered. 2k basketball is far from broken but with the game engine they are using they may never be able to take the game and genre to new heights. Their options are to either continue improving the formula, or start from scratch so that in a few years the game will reach a level that was previously not possibld due to the game engine.
Or, they could do what they're doing now...refining the current engine with little gameplay tweaks here and there and develop another engine behind the scenes until it's ready to be implemented.

I feel like 2K has the time and money to work on something like this without having to hurt their product like what happened to Live.
 
# 110 scottyp180 @ 09/11/14 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by HowDareI
Graphically there's not much more they can do. They said they've added animations, if you look close at these gameplay vids you can see a bunch.

I think the game's engine is solid, they just need to reach the same level of refinement they had in 2K14 for 360/PS3. I feel like next gen was a little slow on the responsiveness and it only got worse when you went online.

If they focus on refining the gameplay, adding modes/adding to the modes we already have, and having stable servers 2K never has to worry about competition.

I think we're all so spoiled by 2K that we expect too much when we have a very good game in front of us.

...And no I'm no fanboy, I can point out a ton of issues but I also understand the work that's put into these games year in year out lol.
Completely agree with the spoiled comment. The game has been one of the best sports titles year in and year out however that causes all of its faults and imperfections to be highlighted and critiqued, no matter how big or small the issue is.

The trouble with 2k, and sports games in general, is that we look at the games on a year to year basis instead of judging games individually. If we look at 2k15 without considering and comparing it to 2k14 or any other 2k basketball title the game looks like a fantastic recreation of basketball and the nba. Not perfect but great. However when the other installment are taken into account we start breaking down how much or how little the game changed, what problems have or have not been fixed, whats new vs whats old. And as a result we don't enjoy the game for what it is, we criticize it for what it isn't.
 
# 111 IrOnKoBe @ 09/11/14 04:47 PM
i dont care if it looks the same as long as they fixed online leagues that is a big deal too me
 
# 112 HowDareI @ 09/11/14 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by scottyp180
Completely agree with the spoiled comment. The game has been one of the best sports titles year in and year out however that causes all of its faults and imperfections to be highlighted and critiqued, no matter how big or small the issue is.

The trouble with 2k, and sports games in general, is that we look at the games on a year to year basis instead of judging games individually. If we look at 2k15 without considering and comparing it to 2k14 or any other 2k basketball title the game looks like a fantastic recreation of basketball and the nba. Not perfect but great. However when the other installment are taken into account we start breaking down how much or how little the game changed, what problems have or have not been fixed, whats new vs whats old. And as a result we don't enjoy the game for what it is, we criticize it for what it isn't.
Exactly, if you take other games that come out every 2 or 3 years like Battlefield, Gears of War, Halo...stuff like that, you get a clear picture of how far the graphics have come and gameplay improvements.

Take 2K9 then look at (what people usually say is the best) 2K11, crazy difference.
The past couple last gen games (2K13/14) basically pushed the limits of the consoles so there wasn't gonna be a graphical difference but now you got next gen consoles with so much more power the sky's the limit.

It would be cool as hell to have like connected franchise/myplayer like in Madden, that's the only thing I really want them to add..besides bringing crew back lol

I give 2K credit because the only game imo that took a step back is 2K12, every other game off the top of my head has been an improvement. Most companies can't say that.
 
# 113 poloelite @ 09/11/14 04:48 PM
I didn't read all of the comments yet, but I don't know how anyone can say "it looks the same" in a negative way. 2K last year not only set the next gen bar graphically for sports games, it was arguably the show piece for next gen visuals across the board. You probably won't see drastic art or graphical changes on that until 2K17 and they shouldn't over haul it until then in my opinion. I remember these boards a year ago, before and after release, where people were saying things like all they needed to do was add modes and features for the next couple of years and remove VC from association. All of that seems to have been done, still not enough. I'm more realistic. It's still a video game so it will never be perfect, but those clips look fun to me
 
# 114 The 24th Letter @ 09/11/14 04:49 PM
I don't think I understand what "sliding/ warping" means to some people...seems like it's just the thing to say when some 2k footage is shown...
 
# 115 Dazraz @ 09/11/14 04:56 PM
I skipped on NBA 2K14 because of the lack of Association Mode. With the My League Mode this is a definite purchase.
 
# 116 BA2929 @ 09/11/14 04:57 PM
These gameplay videos rarely do anything for me anymore. I know what the game is going to basically look like in motion at this point. 2k15 will be a more polished version of 2k14. Basketball is basketball. How different a foot plant looks from 2k14 to 2k15 doesn't interest me whatsoever.

However, show me a video of what I can do in MyLeague/MyCareer this year and what it looks like IN MOTION, and I'm down for watching an hour of that.
 
# 117 Halloween @ 09/11/14 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by scottyp180
The problem with working the game from the ground up is that in the process they will be hurting the overall product for a few years. This is exactly what Live attempted and they still haven't recovered. 2k basketball is far from broken but with the game engine they are using they may never be able to take the game and genre to new heights. Their options are to either continue improving the formula, or start from scratch so that in a few years the game will reach a level that was previously not possibld due to the game engine.
They could still work with 2 diffrent development teams. Naughty Dog does that and 2k should be financialy secure enough to pull this off. Someday they just HAVE to and I'm sure they are not dumb enough to rebuild within a one year span.

Maybe they do this the very moment we're speaking. Guess I gotta put my hopes on 2k16.

This doesn't mean by any means that I won't addicte myself to 2k like in any year of recent memory, I just wish for that wow moment 2k7 gave me.
 
# 118 lakers24 @ 09/11/14 05:11 PM
Basically everything I was going to say has been said, HOWEVER...to the people saying Kevin Love looks great, it's the EXACT same as last year. The only thing is they fixed w.e the hell was wrong with his eyes in 2k14 and now he doesn't look like he's about to fall asleep all the time. He has a entirely new haircut now so not only does that throw him off to me, but his headshape is weird, something about it doesn't look like him. Then there is the legacy issue 2k has with players' eye color. For whatever reason, stars can't get the correct eye color and Love is one of them:

Stephen Curry(hazel), Chris Paul(light brown), Kevin Love(blue)
 
# 119 El_Poopador @ 09/11/14 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by The 24th Letter
I don't think I understand what "sliding/ warping" means to some people...seems like it's just the thing to say when some 2k footage is shown...
I gave a few specific examples from the video.
 
# 120 scottyp180 @ 09/11/14 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Seanzie
Game looks better than last year, which is saying something. The offensive animations look smoother to me.

I love how people see a 4 and a half minute video and say there are no new gameplay improvements. Really people?
Ironically people have made crazier assumptions about the less than 2 minutes of footage we have seen from Live 15. Comments range from "this game looks like garbage. Live is dead." To 'Wow this game looks great! So many improvements over Live 14". IMO videos can only show you so much with sports games. Animations, graphical, and presentation improvements can be seen through video but it doesn't quite show how a game plays and feels, especially from short clips.
 


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