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New Features Aren’t All Free in NCAA Football 12

08:13 AM - May 26, 2011 by Steve_OS

Kotaku's Owen Good chimes in with some of his thoughts surrounding the latest micro-transactions to make their way into NCAA Football 12.

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	There may not be any optimal time to tell gamers about all the microtransactions and DLC for which they can expect to pay extra in an upcoming release. But the official reveal of a game's main features -- the stuff folks expect to come with the $59.99 retail price -- would probably be the least optimal.

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# 261 bkrich83 @ 05/28/11 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	Man I specifically remember you saying you didn't like RTG and wouldn't care if they removed it from the game. I should go try to find that post. Of course now you are a RTG player. Take it up with gamespot. They're probably just making things up or have some axe to grind.

I said I played it, I also said if they removed it I would live or would be fine with. . Go find whatever post you want.

I said I quetioned the validity of gamespot's statement. Based on what 2k5 team members told me, and since they didn't put any actual source to it, they just made a real vague statement.

Don't get snippy because you can't make a point.

# 262 poopoop @ 05/28/11 02:21 PM

lol

ask for a source.
receive a source that has credibility and is unbiased.
claim the source is wrong.

# 263 bkrich83 @ 05/28/11 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	I'll take BK's word over gamespots, thanks. He was in close contact with the 2k developers at the time

Not to mention they made some statement about EA admitting to lobbying the NFL with no specifics. I'd like to see where this information came from and specifcially what it was.

# 264 bkrich83 @ 05/28/11 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	lol ask for a source. receive a source that has credibility and is unbiased. claim the source is wrong.

It wasn't even a source. It was a vague one line statement in an article with no actual information.

# 265 poopoop @ 05/28/11 02:27 PM

Yeah, it wasn't a source, of course not.

Don't be ridiculous.

You were just asking dude for a source because you thought there wasn't one and you'd "catch" him making up things. Now that one has been posted move on to discrediting it.

# 266 bkrich83 @ 05/28/11 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	Yeah, it wasn't a source, of course not. Don't be ridiculous. You were just asking dude for a source because you thought there wasn't one and you'd "catch" him making up things. Now that one has been posted move on to discrediting it.

What was the source? One line that had no actual information in it?

Where is the source that EA lobbied the NFL or the NCAA?

# 267 poopoop @ 05/28/11 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	What was the source? One line that had no actual information in it? Where is the source that EA lobbied the NFL or the NCAA?

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6114977...sing-agreement

I'm not going to waste time looking for another one just so you can proclaim it doesn't count.

# 268 poopoop @ 05/28/11 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JaySmooov


	There's grounds for discrediting it because the "source" wasn't even an actual source. IT was just a statement with no accompanying evidence. If you're (Gamespot) gonna say EA lobbied for exclusivity, at least post the interview where they stated as much. If you write a paper and credit one line as a source of your information (In your case), or not even credit the source you got that "claim" from (In Gamespot's case), you think the teacher is gonna accept that paper? I think not.

To be honest I'm pretty sure most teachers don't even look up your sources.

I don't know what you guys wanted dude to do, a large video game website stating it as fact is about as good as it's going to get. They have no motivation to post lies, they actually have motivation to not post lies. EA isn't gonna have a press release stating "yeah we were lobbyin'!" Let's be real here.

Just drop it and move on. The "wheres your source" bait failed.

# 269 roadman @ 05/28/11 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	To be honest I'm pretty sure most teachers don't even look up your sources. I don't know what you guys wanted dude to do, a large video game website stating it as fact is about as good as it's going to get. They have no motivation to post lies, they actually have motivation to not post lies. EA isn't gonna have a press release stating "yeah we were lobbyin'!" Let's be real here. Just drop it and move on. The "wheres your source" bait failed.

Not even close.

You are trying to discredit members and shoveling it under the carpet. Him stating it as fact is your opinion, not his fact.

That explanation failed and time to move on is correct.

Everything on the internet must be fact, right?

# 270 bkrich83 @ 05/28/11 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	To be honest I'm pretty sure most teachers don't even look up your sources. I don't know what you guys wanted dude to do, a large video game website stating it as fact is about as good as it's going to get. They have no motivation to post lies, they actually have motivation to not post lies. EA isn't gonna have a press release stating "yeah we were lobbyin'!" Let's be real here. Just drop it and move on. The "wheres your source" bait failed.

I have yet to see any actual info that says ea solicited anything. Given that 2k debs said the exact opposite the notion ea pressed for exclusivity in 2004 has yet to be shown.

# 271 poopoop @ 05/28/11 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	Not even close. You are trying to discredit members and shoveling it under the carpet. Him stating it as fact is your opinion, not his fact. That explanation failed and time to move on is correct. Everything on the internet must be fact, right?

Serious question to you.

What is your agenda? Why are you so passionate about this issue that you keep constantly defending it and posting in this thread. Despite stating previously that you are done posting about it and (if i remember correctly) that you don't even care.

Why do you care so much that I, and a few other people, take issue with EA's microtransactions?

# 272 roadman @ 05/28/11 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	Serious question to you. What is your agenda? Why are you so passionate about this issue that you keep constantly defending it and posting in this thread. Despite stating previously that you are done posting about it and (if i remember correctly) that you don't even care. Why do you care so much that I, and a few other people, take issue with EA's microtransactions?

I asked you first and you avoided by repeating the same question back at me. Tells me you want to avoid the question while I will answer yours.

I'm not the only one that said I would stop posting, and continued to post, so, that reason flies out the window.

By the way, you said serious question for you and yet you asked two more. Which one do you want the answers to that you cleverly avoided the same questions that I asked you.

Why do I care? Because it doesn't bother me how companies go about making a profit and I don't see why it should bother other people how companies make a profit making extras on top of a full game.

It's the sign of the times and I don't see it going away. A few people on a message board isn't going to deter EA or other companies to quit trying to make extra profits.

And you avoided all the questions you quoted me on.

# 273 bkrich83 @ 05/28/11 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	Serious question to you. What is your agenda? Why are you so passionate about this issue that you keep constantly defending ?

Now that is rich.

# 274 poopoop @ 05/28/11 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JaySmooov


	Bottom line, microtransactions are really only a problem when you start charging for things like alternate uniforms, and even though I'll be getting the Nike Combat Unis since I pre-ordered, I hope they don't charge for those later, though I'm pretty sure they will.

They've already confirmed through either twitter or one of the live chats that they will offer the Nike PC uniforms as DLC at some point. We will see whether or not they decide to charge money for it. If they do you can guess what I'll have to say about it.

# 275 dan_457 @ 05/28/11 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	They've already confirmed through either twitter or one of the live chats that they will offer the Nike PC uniforms as DLC at some point. We will see whether or not they decide to charge money for it. If they do you can guess what I'll have to say about it.

Pretty certain they said it would be available to everyone at no charge. It was mentioned during the live stream.

# 276 poopoop @ 05/28/11 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	I asked you first and you avoided by repeating the same question back at me. Tells me you want to avoid the question while I will answer yours. I'm not the only one that said I would stop posting, and continued to post, so, that reason flies out the window. By the way, you said serious question for you and yet you asked two more. Which one do you want the answers to that you cleverly avoided the same questions that I asked you. Why do I care? Because it doesn't bother me how companies go about making a profit and I don't see why it should bother other people how companies make a profit making extras on top of a full game. It's the sign of the times and I don't see it going away. A few people on a message board isn't going to deter EA or other companies to quit trying to make extra profits. And you avoided all the questions you quoted me on.

I didn't avoid the question. I straight up answered you. I don't think I have an agenda, if I do it's against these types of DLC. I do not like like microtransactions (especially release-day dlc). I'm going to speak out against them and voice my support when others (kotaku mainly in this case) do the same.

Other people have tried to suggest I have some vendetta against EA, but like I pointed out, I play 3 games this site covers. Only 2 of them use microtransactions and both happen to be made by EA. No surprise those are the ones I have beef with.

But basically though you have no issue with it, that's fine. There's a difference though between not having an issue and willingly defending it. Why do you fall in the second category instead of the first one? I mean let's cut to the chase, this thread is over 300 replies deep and you're the fourth most active poster. Has to be a reason.

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Originally Posted by dan_457


	Pretty certain they said it would be available to everyone at no charge. It was mentioned during the live stream.

Hopefully, everything I've seen just mentioned them saying it'd be available. No word on the price (if any). If EA makes it free good job doing the right thing.

# 277 roadman @ 05/28/11 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	But basically though you have no issue with it, that's fine. There's a difference though between not having an issue and willingly defending it. Why do you fall in the second category instead of the first one? I mean let's cut to the chase, this thread is over 300 replies deep and you're the fourth most active poster. Has to be a reason.

Now, you are stalking and getting personal and that I have an issue with. When a debate goes to that point, no use going any further.

I defended it because I have no issue with it. What's wrong with that?

Have fun.

# 278 poopoop @ 05/28/11 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JaySmooov


	Also, off topic question: Will we be getting Nike Combat Uniforms for playing the demo again, IN ADDITION to pre-ordering? The Boise State Pro Combats are SICK, which is available along with Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh, TCU, and Ohio State. But that would leave out Alabama, Miami, Oregon State, West Virginia, and Florida, for a total of 10, based off of this lineup: http://www.nikeblog.com/2010/09/01/2...mbat-uniforms/ If we could unlock the rest by playing the demo, and based off of the first screenshot, it's fair to say that Florida vs. Miami would be a demo matchup. But what about the other teams?

2 demo matchups, 5 unlocked uniforms

http://www.pastapadre.com/2011/05/14...-demo-outlined

# 279 mattbooty @ 05/28/11 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	I'm not insinuating anything. The base product used to include the new features they added yearly. Now it no longer does. That's the issue. It'd be one thing if their model was to always charge extra for new features that hadn't been in the game before.

This is an entirely new type of feature though. This is a whole new world for console gaming. In the past there was never integration with the web like this. Last year they started branching into it and now we see it continuing to grow. So there hasn't been any precedent for this type of feature before.

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Originally Posted by It Must Be The Shoes


	Unless, of course, you do business with one of a dozen other cell phone providers. Like MetroPCS, that provides all of those features for $40 (no tax).

And you could also just go buy a different game that doesn't include web-enabled features at an added cost.

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Originally Posted by It Must Be The Shoes


	Prior to EAs monopoly, there were competing products providing web integration in licensed football gaming products. Not only was this extra server-based feature included in the cost of the purchase of the game, but the game in mention was only $20.00.

I was unaware that you could advance dynasties, do your recruiting, and sim games from a PC in any previous xbox football title. Please show me where that happened before.

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Originally Posted by It Must Be The Shoes


	When there was no monopoly, similar features were all-inclusive. Now that there is a monopoly, we're forced to pay extra for them.

I don't believe there have been features similar to this web content in the past. This is a new type of feature. I could be wrong and if so please show me past examples.

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I was away for a while and just came across these, I know I'm a little late in responding to these... the rest of the thread has devolved quite a bit. I respect anyone's opinion who does not like having to pay for these, and anyone who refuses to buy them or doesn't want them... I've taken offense when the argument has turned into "how can you defend this" or being called out because I have a different opinion, or have been treated as though I was stupid for not following someone else's opinion/logic on this topic. And so I have defended MY opinion, but I've tried to value everyone's opinions on this.

Unless some new info is released on this I'm out of this discussion from now (unless someone specifically asks a question pointed at me).

Thanks for the discussion.

# 280 Qdiddy @ 05/28/11 04:58 PM

I don't mind DLC in a game as it is the new norm, however I think it should be for enhancements/cheat or special perks, map packs etc. Not for features that should be in the game already. better yet make the whole game downloadable al la carte, where you can download the basic game for a set price and whatever features you want. Example basic game say $30, then if I want online dynasty I can pay extra for that if I don't play online then no need for me to pay for that.

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