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New Features Aren’t All Free in NCAA Football 12

09:13 AM - May 26, 2011 by Steve_OS

Kotaku's Owen Good chimes in with some of his thoughts surrounding the latest micro-transactions to make their way into NCAA Football 12.

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	There may not be any optimal time to tell gamers about all the microtransactions and DLC for which they can expect to pay extra in an upcoming release. But the official reveal of a game's main features -- the stuff folks expect to come with the $59.99 retail price -- would probably be the least optimal.

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# 241 bkrich83 @ 05/28/11 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Apostle


	This doesn't bother me in the least. DLC is here to stay. If it's worth buying, I'll buy it. If it's not, I won't.

Best post of the thread.

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	I honestly don't understand the need to defend it. Don't know if it's people just justifying/rationalizing their eventual purchase. Some sort of loyalty to EA. Or something else. Should be demanding more for your money. No not for nothing. For the amount we pay when we buy the game.

I would rather have microtransactions which are completely optional depending on what you want from the game, than to have the company keep up with inflation and adjust their yearly price of the game based on that?

Game prices haven't changed in what 6 or 7 years? If they were like most products out there we'd be paying $75 per game.

I don't see how this is unlike any other product where you have to pay for extra options or a higher level of service.

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	To be fair you don't even know what the cause is. None of us have access to EA's budget details. We don't know how much these features cost to implement/maintain and how they change EA's ability to make a profit on this game. You can't say with any certainty that this DLC is necessary to offset the costs. You can assume that the costs of implementing these are so great that EA "had" to charge for it, but you don't know. All I know for certain is EA has no direct competition, largely because of actions they took to make it that way. That leads me to believe they're less inclined to give us the most for our money, or at least they no longer have comp there to force them to. That belief is only strengthened when I see them start offering game features as DLC. And I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt based on their past history with microtransactions. We know what happened years ago when another company forced them to lower prices while still giving us the same amount of content.

First EA has NEVER had competition when it comes to NCAA football. Microtransactions would be here whether EA has competition or not.

And really EA was to blame for 2k's demise?

You make it sound like EA was practicing some shady business practice and taking 2k out ilegally. Talk to the NFL and the NCAA Licensing Group.

Are microtransactions a good thing? Not imo. Is something like this where there are add on features for $3 available a big deal? Absolutely not, unless you are one of the chicken littles who cry the sky is falling at every turn because they have an obvious axe to grind with EA.

# 242 bkrich83 @ 05/28/11 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by It Must Be The Shoes


	The fact that there's a monopoly is pertinent, and very directly related to the subject of the thread: "new features aren't all free in ncaa football 12". When there was no monopoly, similar features were all-inclusive. Now that there is a monopoly, we're forced to pay extra for them.

First it's not a monopoly. Second when NFL2k5 was out the microtransactions movement had not hit yet. You are acting like something like this is something only EA does and they waited till NFL2k was gone to do it.

revisionist history is awesome.

# 243 poopoop @ 05/28/11 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	I would rather have microtransactions which are completely optional depending on what you want from the game, than to have the company keep up with inflation and adjust their yearly price of the game based on that? Game prices haven't changed in what 6 or 7 years? If they were like most products out there we'd be paying $75 per game. I don't see how this is unlike any other product where you have to pay for extra options or a higher level of service.

Honestly, I'd rather have them just sell the basic game (just the basic play now mode at a price lower than the $60 mark) then have all the other features modes optional. You want RTG you pay X, you want OD you pay Y, you want offline dynasty you pay Z. That'd save most people money and only let people get exactly what they want from the game.

If they're going to charge $60 then decide some features are bonus, I'd rather them just up the price or include the full list of features.

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	First EA has NEVER had competition when it comes to NCAA football. Microtransactions would be here whether EA has competition or not. And really EA was to blame for 2k's demise? You make it sound like EA was practicing some shady business practice and taking 2k out ilegally. Talk to the NFL and the NCAA Licensing Group. Are microtransactions a good thing? Not imo. Is something like this where there are add on features for $3 available a big deal? Absolutely not, unless you are one of the chicken littles who cry the sky is falling at every turn because they have an obvious axe to grind with EA.

Yes they have. And like I've stated previously, Madden having competition was beneficial to NCAA since the games share a lot of things. It also ignores that they bought an exclusive contract which made it impossible for any competition to pop up. And no I don't have an obvious axe to grind with EA. I have a problem with microtransactions.

# 244 bkrich83 @ 05/28/11 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	Honestly, I'd rather have them just sell the basic game (just the basic play now mode at a price lower than the $60 mark) then have all the other features modes optional. You want RTG you pay X, you want OD you pay Y, you want offline dynasty you pay Z. That'd save most people money and only let people get exactly what they want from the game. If they're going to charge $60 then decide some features are bonus, I'd rather them just up the price or include the full list of features.

Again the price of the game hasn't changed in like 7 years. That's not common in the consumer market place. Not sure what your complaint is on the pricing.

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	Yes they have. And like I've stated previously, Madden having competition was beneficial to NCAA since the games share a lot of things. And no I don't have an obvious axe to grind with EA. I have a problem with microtransactions.

That's not even close to accurate. As far as not having an axe to grind with EA that's also quite obviously false. If you don't like Microtransactions then I hope you complain about every game that is released.

# 245 roadman @ 05/28/11 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	Honestly, I'd rather have them just sell the basic game (just the basic play now mode at a price lower than the $60 mark) then have all the other features modes optional. You want RTG you pay X, you want OD you pay Y, you want offline dynasty you pay Z. That'd save most people money and only let people get exactly what they want from the game. If they're going to charge $60 then decide some features are bonus, I'd rather them just up the price or include the full list of features.

You are then living in an Utopian world.

Do you know how much of an headache that would be for marketing and developing the game and the retail stores setting up that kind of a practice.

You'd probably be paying more for one feature and or all the features because of all the extra cost involved in setting up something like that.

Geez, I'd like my text messages to be free to and get rid of the camera options that I don't use, but guess what, that's here to stay.

# 246 BIG MONE88 @ 05/28/11 02:47 PM

If they are gonna add features later on. After the game is release then cool. But don't tell us what's new in game. Then turn around and charge usfor it...

# 247 poopoop @ 05/28/11 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	That's not even close to accurate. As far as not having an axe to grind with EA that's also quite obviously false. If you don't like Microtransactions then I hope you complain about every game that is released.

The only games I play that this site covers are NBA 2k, Madden and NCAA. I'm pretty sure NBA 2k didn't even have microtransactions last year. The other two I complained about.

I could start talking about map packs and other things but that'd be off-topic.

# 248 poopoop @ 05/28/11 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	You are then living in an Utopian world. Do you know how much of an headache that would be for marketing and developing the game and the retail stores setting up that kind of a practice. You'd probably be paying more for one feature and or all the features because of all the extra cost involved in setting up something like that. Geez, I'd like my text messages to be free to and get rid of the camera options that I don't use, but guess what, that's here to stay.

I'm not suggesting that it should or will happen, I already know it won't.

# 249 bkrich83 @ 05/28/11 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JaySmooov


	Game prices haven't changed because we don't have a new console, and the next new console is from Nintendo. Microsoft and Sony won't be making new systems for another 3-4 years, based off of speculation. But back in the PS2/XBOX days, games were 49.99.

Why they haven't is of no matter. Fact of the matter is they haven't. Given our current level of inflation that's saying something.

# 250 roadman @ 05/28/11 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG MONE88


	If they are gonna add features later on. After the game is release then cool. But don't tell us what's new in game. Then turn around and charge usfor it...

Would rather know 6 weeks before you possibly purchase the game or would you prefer to know after your purchase?

# 251 bkrich83 @ 05/28/11 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by It Must Be The Shoes


	EA lobbied for exclusivity (NCAAF & NFL). Then went out and paid a fortune to gobble up exclusive rights to every other branded football league domestic and abroad (including the exclusive rights to ESPN) to stifle competition and gain control over the market. Moreover, they are now charging for features that would have otherwise been all-inclusive in an environment with competing licensed products. This is an anti consumer business strategy. If anybody has an axe to grind with EA, they certainly are justified.

Where did you get the part where EA Lobbied for exclusivity? Source?

How do you know if these features would have been included? They've never been in a football game before..

2k and ESPN had ended their relationship. EA had no affect on ESPN not signing with 2k. 2k and ESPN weren't going to have another agreement one way or another.

# 252 poopoop @ 05/28/11 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JaySmooov


	2) I'm glad you think I should be forced to pay extra for a optional - OPTIONAL* - feature I may or may not use, just because YOU don't like microtransactions.*

You already do. You pay $60 for a game that includes Mascot Mode, RTG, Offline Dynasty, Online Dynasty, online play now, regular play now. There's no way you utilize every option in the game but you pay for all of them. Go ahead though and tell me you play all of those modes every year.

# 253 bkrich83 @ 05/28/11 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG MONE88


	If they are gonna add features later on. After the game is release then cool. But don't tell us what's new in game. Then turn around and charge usfor it...

How does that make sense? I'd rather know now.. Having extra features announced and charging more for them is not something new.

I hate the car analogies, but it's like a car commercial where they say Car X cost $20,000 and then in the fine print they say car as shown in the commercial cost was $28,000

This is not anything new nor is there anything wrong with it.

They are charging for an extra feature, or higher level of service. This is common in the real world. Not having these features will not prevent you from playing the game in any way, shape or size. If you don't want to pay for the extra features then don't.

I don't get the vitriol for EA when they are doing the exact same thing just about every business in the free world is.

EA deserves a lot of the criticism they get, but damn....

# 254 bkrich83 @ 05/28/11 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	You already do. You pay $60 for a game that includes Mascot Mode, RTG, Offline Dynasty, Online Dynasty, online play now, regular play now. There's no way you utilize every option in the game but you pay for all of them. Go ahead though and tell me you play all of those modes every year.

Now you are really reaching to attempt to prove your point. You just compared base game modes to add on features or options.

BTW I play all those modes but mascot mode.

# 255 poopoop @ 05/28/11 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	Where did you get the part where EA Lobbied for exclusivity? Source?

From gamespot. It was posted earlier in the thread.

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	The deal, one EA admits to having lobbied for over the past few years, is an exclusive five-year licensing deal granting EA the sole rights to the NFL's teams, stadiums, and players.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6114977...sing-agreement

# 256 bkrich83 @ 05/28/11 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	From gamespot. It was posted earlier in the thread. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6114977...sing-agreement

Given the NFL's stance on exclusivity and from what I have read in the past, I question the validity of that. Where has EA ever admitted they lobbied for it, particularly in 2004?

Edit. Now that I think about it, I was told by two people on the 2k5 dev team that the NFL approached them for a bid.

# 257 roadman @ 05/28/11 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	You already do. You pay $60 for a game that includes Mascot Mode, RTG, Offline Dynasty, Online Dynasty, online play now, regular play now. There's no way you utilize every option in the game but you pay for all of them. Go ahead though and tell me you play all of those modes every year.

Gee, I haven't seen that one before.

Told you yesterday I use all of them , even Mascot mode, and my youngest likes Mascot mode.

# 258 bkrich83 @ 05/28/11 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	Gee, I haven't seen that one before. Told you yesterday I use all of them , even Mascot mode, and my youngest likes Mascot mode.

It's called making a reach or stretching logic because you can't make your point.

# 259 poopoop @ 05/28/11 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	Now you are really reaching to attempt to prove your point. You just compared base game modes to add on features or options. BTW I play all those modes but mascot mode.

Man I specifically remember you saying you didn't like RTG and wouldn't care if they removed it from the game. I should go try to find that post. Of course now you are a RTG player.

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	Given the NFL's stance on exclusivity and from what I have read in the past, I question the validity of that. Where has EA ever admitted they lobbied for it, particularly in 2004? Edit. Now that I think about it, I was told by two people on the 2k5 dev team that the NFL approached them for a bid.

Take it up with gamespot. They're probably just making things up or have some axe to grind.

# 260 roadman @ 05/28/11 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	Take it up with gamespot. They're probably just making things up or have some axe to grind.

I'll take BK's word over gamespots, thanks. He was in close contact with the 2k developers at the time

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