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New Features Aren’t All Free in NCAA Football 12

08:13 AM - May 26, 2011 by Steve_OS

Kotaku's Owen Good chimes in with some of his thoughts surrounding the latest micro-transactions to make their way into NCAA Football 12.

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	There may not be any optimal time to tell gamers about all the microtransactions and DLC for which they can expect to pay extra in an upcoming release. But the official reveal of a game's main features -- the stuff folks expect to come with the $59.99 retail price -- would probably be the least optimal.

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# 301 coogrfan @ 05/30/11 01:15 PM

Why did I allow myself to get drawn back into this?

You've stated your case ad-nauseum. Time to move on.

# 302 NDAlum @ 05/30/11 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	Now that is rich.

OMG I can't stop laughing!!! I can't believe he asked that!!!

That is freaking hilarious

# 303 bkrich83 @ 05/30/11 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kbmnm247


	I'll take a forum posters typed out word over a reputable, unbiased gaming industry website. That's laughable dude.

Problem is the gamespot article didn't give any actual info. Nothing. It was a single line mention with no actual info.

I got opposite info directly from the horses mouth at VC. If that's not good enough for you then so be it.

# 304 bkrich83 @ 05/30/11 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kbmnm247


	It actually will prevent me from playing because let's say I'm on my XBOX at 1:00 and all games are finished I can't go and play my next weeks game because my commish needs to pay $3 to advance the dynasty remotely. Whereas if he paid that fee I wouldn't be prevented from playing. And EA is not doing the exact same thing as the rest of the free world because they have a monopoly on the NCAA and NFL console football sports gaming business. AT&T can not buy out every cell tower in the world. McDonald's can't buy out the entire meat inventory. Comcast can't buy out the entire cable industry. They bought out the competition for a huge amount of money and now in order to recoup that money they need to charge for features that should be in the $60 game. Period.

First it's not a monopoly. Second it's not preventing you from playing the game. It's preventing you from advancing the game in a manner which you've never been able to before. Paying extra for an advanced feature is nothing new.

That's quite a big reach saying its preventing you from playing. If that were the case then you'd never have been able to play the game previously.

# 305 bkrich83 @ 05/30/11 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by coogrfan


	Why did I allow myself to get drawn back into this? You've stated your case ad-nauseum. Time to move on.

Yeah I am ejecting. Just another agenda pusher who will quite frankly say anything to push their agenda.

# 306 ODogg @ 05/30/11 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kbmnm247


	EA got the exclusivity in 2004, so they obviously pressed for it in 2004. Also, they tried to get the NBA exclusivity too (because 2K again was crushing them and starting to take away market share) http://sports.ign.com/articles/574/574539p1.html Thank god the NBA denied it. I wish the NFL did the same. I guess this isn't a legit source either though.

You just made the other sides point for them, the "blame" for the football deals lies with the NFL and NCAA, not at EAs door. Like the NBA and MLB they could have denied the exclusive route but they didn't. Trying to make it out as if EA did it to kill competition instead of what it really was, the NFL/NCAA wanted the deal to have full control over their products, is just plain ridiculous and disingenuous.

# 307 kbmnm247 @ 05/31/11 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ODogg


	You just made the other sides point for them, the "blame" for the football deals lies with the NFL and NCAA, not at EAs door. Like the NBA and MLB they could have denied the exclusive route but they didn't. Trying to make it out as if EA did it to kill competition instead of what it really was, the NFL/NCAA wanted the deal to have full control over their products, is just plain ridiculous and disingenuous.

How am I making their point for them? Their point was that EA didn't lobby for the deals when it is clear they did. Heck, they even tried to get NBA and MLB as well.

And yes, NBA or MLB could have denied but they didn't because there were more of those games being made and license money being paid to those respective leagues. NFL had Madden offering massive amounts of money because guess what, Madden is/was EA's biggest US franchise and they'd been making bank off of it since like 1990.

EA obviously did it to try to quell competition, I don't see how it's possible to argue otherwise. What have they done with those licenses exactly? Have you ever seen 2k5?

Point is, EA went to the NFL, not the other way around. When the NFL heard how much EA was willing to pay they went to 2k and got their offer. 2K obviously didn't have the funds that EA Sports did and so NFL went with the huge payday from EA. What we have gotten extra in our games from EA regarding this exclusive license has been nothing, as far as I can tell. Nothing new in the game that wasn't in there before. I honestly don't see how you could read my post and what was included in it and then claim that I am making their point for them and that the NFL just wanted more control over their product.

# 308 kbmnm247 @ 05/31/11 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	First it's not a monopoly. Second it's not preventing you from playing the game. It's preventing you from advancing the game in a manner which you've never been able to before. Paying extra for an advanced feature is nothing new. That's quite a big reach saying its preventing you from playing. If that were the case then you'd never have been able to play the game previously.

What other NCAA or NFL sports game can I get for my Xbox 360?

I just stated how it could prevent me from playing the game. Is it a reach? Sure it might be, but it's still not allowing me to play the game when if everyone had that feature I would be able to play. And yes, paying for a new/advanced feature is something new for me. I didn't have to pay for EA Fifa UT, I never had to pay to see my Halo stats or COD stats. I can queue up demos from my Xbox Live account online. I'm not sure when I have ever paid for a new/advanced feature to be honest. Yes I've paid for maps and for new chapters in games but never for a feature.

# 309 poopoop @ 05/31/11 08:32 AM

Trying to paint the people who have an issue with this as having some "agenda" is a hilariously cheap argument.

Like it's a huge shock that arguably the two biggest online dynasty specific new features aren't free this year and people are mad about that.

# 310 bkrich83 @ 05/31/11 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	Trying to paint the people who have an issue with this as having some "agenda" is a hilariously cheap argument. Like it's a huge shock that arguably the two biggest online dynasty specific new features aren't free this year and people are mad about that.

I think the outright misinformation being passed on as fact as well as the blatant reaches to attempt to make a point make it quite clear.

# 311 poopoop @ 05/31/11 09:11 AM

What's your agenda then. Why are you in every thread on this topic trying to minimize the issue and discredit anyone who speaks out against it?

Example You from a similar thread 2 years ago:

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	Yes the sky is falling once again. Same people every time declaring the end of the world. Personally, there isn't a feature mentioned there that I care about, free or for DLC.

You point out it's the same people complaining every time. Why should the people on the other side get a pass though? You can dig through older threads and see the exact same people making the exact same arguments.

# 312 bkrich83 @ 05/31/11 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	What's your agenda then. Why are you in every thread on this topic trying to minimize the issue and discredit anyone who speaks out against it? Example You from a similar thread 2 years ago: You point out it's the same people complaining every time. Why should the people on the other side get a pass though? You can dig through older threads and see the exact same people making the exact same arguments.

My agenda? Logic before declaring the world is ending.

Some actual unbiased discussion of the game would be nice as well.

# 313 poopoop @ 05/31/11 09:24 AM

There's been bias and misinformation from people on both sides of the discussion. This is undeniable. What is questionable is why you only seem concerned with the bias/misinformation/poor logic from one side, but give the other a pass.

I think it's completely unnecessary and unfair to try to put negative labels people who take an issue with this. It's not unreasonable for people to have an issue with how EA handles DLC.

# 314 bkrich83 @ 05/31/11 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	There's been bias and misinformation from people on both sides of the discussion. This is undeniable. What is questionable is why you only seem concerned with the bias/misinformation/poor logic from one side, but give the other a pass. I think it's completely unnecessary and unfair to try to put negative labels people who take an issue with this. It's not unreasonable for people to have an issue with how EA handles DLC.

Of course you think it's unfair. That's to be expected.

People having issue with DLC is one thing. Saying you can't play the game without DLC and that the NFL license deal is to blame for DLC is a completely different ball game.

Bottom-line is these are extra features that are not required to play the game. If they aren't worth your 3 dollars don't buy them.

No one likes DLC but this is quite obviously the way the industry has gone. As long as I don't have to pay extra for things that are required to play the game I can live with it. I just choose carefully what DLC I purchase.

# 315 jeremym480 @ 05/31/11 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kbmnm247


	What other NCAA or NFL sports game can I get for my Xbox 360? I just stated how it could prevent me from playing the game. Is it a reach? Sure it might be, but it's still not allowing me to play the game when if everyone had that feature I would be able to play. And yes, paying for a new/advanced feature is something new for me. I didn't have to pay for EA Fifa UT, I never had to pay to see my Halo stats or COD stats. I can queue up demos from my Xbox Live account online. I'm not sure when I have ever paid for a new/advanced feature to be honest. Yes I've paid for maps and for new chapters in games but never for a feature.

Maybe not yet but, it's definitely in our near future.

http://au.pc.ign.com/articles/117/1171543p1.html

Get you pitchforks folks off to Activision we go.

Or is it Ok what they're doing because they're not EA?

# 316 poopoop @ 05/31/11 09:49 AM

If you don't have an issue with it, fine. If you want to go buy it, fine. But trying to argue with and discredit the people who do have an issue is an entirely different thing.

Like I said earlier you got EA charging for arguably the two biggest OD specific additions. Not everyone is gonna say "it's ok those are just extras." Not everyone is going to just shrug their shoulders and say "hey that's just the way things are oh well!"

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Originally Posted by jeremym480


	Maybe not yet but, it's definitely in our near future. http://au.pc.ign.com/articles/117/1171543p1.html Get you pitchforks folks off to Activision we go. Or is it Ok what they're doing because they're not EA?

Activision (if they're the ones that make COD games) are just as bad if not worse than EA. Whining about Activision on a NCAA football board seems a bit dumb though. Go start a thread about it in the other games section and I'll be right there with you. Even though I don't even play COD games.

# 317 bkrich83 @ 05/31/11 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	If you don't have an issue with it, fine. If you want to go buy it, fine. But trying to argue with and discredit the people who do have an issue is an entirely different thing. Like I said earlier you got EA charging for arguably the two biggest OD specific additions. Not everyone is gonna say "it's ok those are just extras." Not everyone is going to just shrug their shoulders and say "hey that's just the way things are oh well!"

And not everyone is going to think it's the end of the world.

But don't let me stop you from your persecution act.

# 318 jeremym480 @ 05/31/11 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by poopoop


	Activision (if they're the ones that make COD games) are just as bad if not worse than EA. Whining about Activision on a NCAA football board seems a bit dumb though. Go start a thread about it in the other games section and I'll be right there with you. Even though I don't even play COD games.

Whining about anything on a message board seems dumb to me... If I'm not happy about a product I'll hit them where it hurts... with my wallet.

# 319 jfsolo @ 05/31/11 09:57 AM

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	I will just speak with my wallet and not buy NCAA 12. It is not ok to nickle and dime your customers after spending $60.

This should be the response for all the people who feel so outraged about these micro transactions. Stand up for your principles. Complaining and then still buying the game anyway serves no real purpose.

They aren't going to offer this service for free. They aren't. They will either get enough people to buy it to cover their expenses and make X amount of profit, or they simply won't offer it in the future.

Expecting that this would be included with the 60 dollar cover price is pollyannish at best.

# 320 poopoop @ 05/31/11 09:57 AM

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	And not everyone is going to think it's the end of the world. But don't let me stop you from your persecution act.

Whatever. You're the one constantly trying to paint people who have issues with DLC as having an agenda. You've been doing it for years like I already pointed out earlier.

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