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Providing Detail and Clarity to Changes Found in NCAA Football 12 Dynasty Mode

01:38 PM - May 23, 2011 by canes21

The Gaming Tailgate has posted a bunch of specific and in-depth details about Dynasty mode that might not find their way into standard previews and press releases. These details come via a community-based Q&A session, and as with most Q&As about very specific details, there is more negatives than positives to be found here.

One negative thing coming from the Q&A is the confirmation about the lack of individual coaching ratings, which means the Coaching Carousel loses a bit of luster. If you put the pieces of the puzzle together, you sort of already knew this was coming based on some of the details that had previously been released about Dynasty mode, but it's still a little disappointing to hear. However, coach prestige will impact results during simulations, and it will still impact recruiting via the "pitches" previously in the game. These caveats should not be overlooked. Since coaches will now recruit for their playbook and style of play, if you take over a job and want to recruit for a new system, that will provide a whole new layer of challenge that was not there previously.

In addition, you can't hire your own coordinators once you're the head coach, and really, why would you if the coaches don't have ratings -- the only thing playing a part in the decision would be the playbook at that point, and you have control of that if you want. However, if you want an extra layer of challenge, you could build your team based off each coordinator's playbook, which could change your recruiting strategy at various points because the CPU Athletic Director could hire/fire coordinators.

On the positive side of things, it does seem it will be a slow burn to get from a "D" prestige to an "A" prestige level. You can also share coaches within the roster, so roster makers can now edit all the coaches in addition to all the players. Continuing with the customization positives, you can edit conferences throughout a dynasty, not just before the first year. Lastly, early signs point to simulated stats being more on point this year.

Head over to The Gaming Tailgate to get the rest of the details.

Source - Dynasty Info Q&A Thread (The Gaming Tailgate)

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# 21 Ziza9Noles94 @ 05/23/11 02:09 PM

But don't coaches now recruit to their style of play? Wouldn't a D rated coach only be able to attract low level recruiting talent based on his low prestige rating> Thus affecting the depth and skill level of a team down the line?

# 22 Tengo Juego @ 05/23/11 02:10 PM

Man, I knew to not get my hopes up. But it's still disappointing to read that a lot of the stuff we all want, still isn't in.

# 23 RynoAid @ 05/23/11 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Roggie


	Pike, first off, NOBODY said they'd rather have nothing than this. We're all saying that they left out the most important part. Second, the "ratings" coaches are given have ZERO effect on the performance of your team. That's the issue.

false, there is a progression boost directly related to the prestige rating of each coach. So in turn, that has an effect on a lot of different areas.

# 24 PikeJR23 @ 05/23/11 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MSU124


	But it doesn't matter if the stick with their B+ coach or hire a new one, the team will play the exact same.

That's not entirely true. If the previous B+ coach was an Spread/Option coach and he recruited for that philosophy then it will make a big different in the immediate future. I haven't heard anything on that issue (the blog for friday might shed light on that). So if you hire another B+ coach but he's more pro style then it will make a difference. That B+ coach will now have the previous personnel, and his best QB maybe an option QB with low ACC and THP. That will make it hard on that coach in the immediate future to accomplish goals that are required to keep his job. So again, you guys aren't look deep enough into the effects of philosophy changes and prestige (when edited before the start of the dynasty to reflect real life).

I could be wrong, but the upcoming info will be intriguing. Now if your concern is in the generic coaches that are created after the start of the dynasty, yes that would be a concern that I see. But again, with job security, jobs like Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, etc. shouldn't open up immediately within the first 5-10 years. And even when they do, if alma mater was done right, guys like Kirby Smart (Alabama) or Major Applewhite (Texas) will be first in line hopefully. This is all wishful thinking of course.

# 25 dan_457 @ 05/23/11 02:11 PM

I'd love to have ratings too, but some of you must not realize the massive overhaul that would be required to implement them, it's just not possible to do in only a year. Recruiting would need overhauled, Progression would need overhauled, school prestige would need overhauled, and numerous other changes as well. I'm loving what we've got and will make the most of it. It's not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than what it was.

# 26 volstopfan14 @ 05/23/11 02:16 PM

This is very dissapointing to me. You would think things like ratings and hiring your own assistants would be so obvious that you couldn't miss them. I really hope EA builds on this next year because this has a TON of potential. I'm glad that coaching carousel is in and it is better than nothing but ever since the IGN article it seems everything has gone downhill. At least I will now get to see my coach standing on the sideline.

# 27 PikeJR23 @ 05/23/11 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Roggie


	Pike, first off, NOBODY said they'd rather have nothing than this. We're all saying that they left out the most important part. Second, the "ratings" coaches are given have ZERO effect on the performance of your team. That's the issue.

All I said was the OP was overreacting a bit. He said he'd rather this feature not be in at all. He stated "this year CC is a big waste to me". You didn't say it Roggie, but he did. I understand the concerns about no actual ratings, I'm with you on that but I also see the positives outweigh the negatives. That's all I'm trying to get across. This is a big upgrade over last years system. Also, they guy doing Q&A stated that Prestige has an effect on simulated games. Which obviously would effect all games between CPU teams and yours (if simulated). But that's based on that guy's statement in the original link. Who knows if he's right or not.

# 28 Da Hype Iz Real @ 05/23/11 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PikeJR23


	That's not entirely true. If the previous B+ coach was an Spread/Option coach and he recruited for that philosophy then it will make a big different in the immediate future. I haven't heard anything on that issue (the blog for friday might shed light on that). So if you hire another B+ coach but he's more pro style then it will make a difference. That B+ coach will now have the previous personnel, and his best QB maybe an option QB with low ACC and THP. That will make it hard on that coach in the immediate future to accomplish goals that are required to keep his job. So again, you guys aren't look deep enough into the effects of philosophy changes and prestige (when edited before the start of the dynasty to reflect real life). I could be wrong, but the upcoming info will be intriguing. Now if your concern is in the generic coaches that are created after the start of the dynasty, yes that would be a concern that I see. But again, with job security, jobs like Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, etc. shouldn't open up immediately within the first 5-10 years. And even when they do, if alma mater was done right, guys like Kirby Smart (Alabama) or Major Applewhite (Texas) will be first in line hopefully. This is all wishful thinking of course.

The change in philosophies and playbooks alone is the biggest thing for me. People fail to realize how game changing this can be I think. If the whole conference has spread offenses and that bottom feeder gets a 3-3-5 DC then maybe they match up better and win more games and such.

# 29 Lavar @ 05/23/11 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ_Bills9


	Who cares. As long as I can still play football and it looks good, I don't care one thing about the extra crap in Dynasty mode. My only concern is fixing recruiting so prestige isn't the only determining factor that makes recruits interested in schools.

Don't ever , ever write stuff like this again. You should be banned.

# 30 justblaze09 @ 05/23/11 02:19 PM

Disappointed, yes, but it's not the end of the world.

# 31 NDAlum @ 05/23/11 02:20 PM

I 100% echo the sentiments of justblaze

And approve of the gif

# 32 RynoAid @ 05/23/11 02:20 PM

guys, Coach Prestige has an effect on ratings... is it an individual category based effect..? no, but it's not just rotating names... there is a direct impact on each team based on the prestige of their coach.

# 33 dan_457 @ 05/23/11 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ_Bills9


	Who cares. As long as I can still play football and it looks good, I don't care one thing about the extra crap in Dynasty mode. My only concern is fixing recruiting so prestige isn't the only determining factor that makes recruits interested in schools.

Ironically, the the only way to fix is with coach ratings, so actually you do care

# 34 da ThRONe @ 05/23/11 02:23 PM

While I disagree with Cane I rather have this than nothing, this omission is huge. You can make an argument this kills the whole mode because essentially nothing changes.

# 35 Roggie @ 05/23/11 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RynoAid


	guys, Coach Prestige has an effect on ratings... is it an individual category based effect..? no, but it's not just rotating names... there is a direct impact on each team based on the prestige of their coach.

But is it really acceptable to have a coach such as Rich Rod, who'd be an A in prestige, give a good bonus to offense AND defense? They could have just done a simple O prestige and D prestige this year before making it a full blown copy of College Hoops. It'd still be better than one rating being dominant.

# 36 RynoAid @ 05/23/11 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Roggie


	But is it really acceptable to have a coach such as Rich Rod, who'd be an A in prestige, give a good bonus to offense AND defense? They could have just done a simple O prestige and D prestige this year before making it a full blown copy of College Hoops. It'd still be better than one rating being dominant.

Like i said, it isn't individual ratings based, but to say it has NO impact is wrong.. the coaches do impact the team.

# 37 volstopfan14 @ 05/23/11 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe


	While I disagree with Cane I rather have this than nothing, this omission is huge. You can make an argument this kills the whole mode because essentially nothing changes.

this. I agree 100%

# 38 Roggie @ 05/23/11 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RynoAid


	Like i said, it isn't individual ratings based, but to say it has NO impact is wrong.. the coaches do impact the team.

Okay, then we have to look at it this way. Actual coaches mean nothing besides a prestige/experience rating for recruiting. We could have just had teams randomly change playbooks and basically gotten the same experience, if you really think about it.

I'm not trying to bash you at all, Ryno. Trust me on that. I'm just saying that it really seems to only be half done. I know it's not something that's easy to put in the game, but still. They way it's done is really lacking, with Coordinators not meaning anything except for a playbook and head coaches not meaning anything except maybe a playbook/coaching style and 2 recruiting pitches.

# 39 cts @ 05/23/11 02:32 PM

I'll reserve complete judgement until after tomorrow's blog. The details of how coaches affect the game now aren't even know yet...so why jump to conclusions?

Even as-is, I'm happy with what they've done. Like another poster said, the fact that philosophies [and hell, even the names] will change over the course of the dynasty will be a nice, fresh addition to the mode. I've done things like that in past versions, on my own!

It was irrational to expect a deep, rich version of the CC this year. They have implemented something that they can use as a base for the future.

# 40 justblaze09 @ 05/23/11 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RynoAid


	Like i said, it isn't individual ratings based, but to say it has NO impact is wrong.. the coaches do impact the team.

Ding, ding, ding.

Plus, coordinators have prestige ratings too, so they should have an impact on simmed games (which, last time I checked, all CPU games are simmed).

That makes me the most upset that I can't control who my OC and DC will be once I become a head coach, but I can live with it...

for now.

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