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FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

01:46 PM - January 24, 2011 by RaychelSnr

I recentely sat down for a talk with FBGRatings.com's Dan Berens to discuss his site's vision and what's going on over there today. The site is currently working on getting accurate ratings for every player using real hard data converted into the Madden ratings universe. Dan claims that when these numbers are plugged into the game, it plays much better and much closer to real life. Check out the interview below and also check out Dan's website to see what he's got going on!

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# 1421 SiNsinNatti @ 08/04/14 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BigGee55


	That would be kool if true, but Cam had a more serious injury which he actually is STILL hurt while Eli played a full quarter of NFL football last night. And as of 8-2( last reported update) Eli was still ranked as the 55th highest QB. Cam suffered no such drop.

This is all fact. This is why when I saw it I felt like FBG was just another bunch of salty Packer/Patriot fans tweaking Madden ratings to their liking.

# 1422 MajorSupreme @ 08/04/14 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SiNsinNatti


	This is all fact. This is why when I saw it I felt like FBG was just another bunch of salty Packer/Patriot fans tweaking Madden ratings to their liking.

That's still quite an assumption, insinuating fraudulent work. I still think it's best for you to at least try. I'll admit I was a skeptic. I tried them in play now, and I think it's great.

# 1423 DCEBB2001 @ 08/04/14 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SiNsinNatti


	What ever Rolle does in his style... He does several times better than Chung does in Chung's style. That's why Rolle is a Pro Bowler and Chung is not. Also what about your data made McBride so lowly rated? Schwartz isn't in a battle with Brewer either. Brewer is in a battle to even make the roster. I mean look him up on PFF it might help, Schwartz' ranked highly there. I just don't see how you're really taking into consideration actual talent. Eli Manning is definitely not hurt either. I'd be willing to be a trip to Monte Carlo that Brewer doesn't starts over Schwartz or much less even makes the roster.

According to the data, he doesn't. Pro Bowls are glorified popularity contests largely based on uneducated perception, conjecture, and statistics...not real data. The data made me rate McBride "so low". He hasn't done anything except get buried at 5th on the depth chart at RCB. In fact, that would put him at the 9th or 10th best CB on the team according to the depth chart. He is also coming off of a season marred by a pretty nagging groin injury. Consider the fact that he is rated as the 5th best CB on his team knowing that he is buried so far down to be a blessing for now...until he doesn't make the team.

And don't get me started on PFF. They don't rate traits and abilities like Madden uses in the game. They simply rate the net outcome of every play and grade what happened. They state this in their FAQ section. Schwartz didn't do much last year. He had 7 starts. In fact, the Chiefs weren't even willing to pay him starter money, which is why he signed with the Giants, who are pretty desperate for OL at this point. Nothing about this really screams "starter quality", especially when his competition is a year younger and more athletic.

As for his competition with Brewer, we have to see what happens. Ratings go up when consistent change has occurred at the scouts' discretion. I control none of this, I only interpret and report the data. Like I said in my earlier post, if he proves to have beaten out a higher rated player and does consistently better than his current rating, he will go up. Until that happens, however, I cannot justify bumping anyone up, especially at the request of a self-admitted Giants fan who is most likely upset that his favorite players are rated so low.

# 1424 SiNsinNatti @ 08/04/14 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MajorSupreme


	That's still quite an assumption, insinuating fraudulent work. I still think it's best for you to at least try. I'll admit I was a skeptic. I tried them in play now, and I think it's great.

I'll give them a try it looks so interesting and believe me I actually appreciate the attempt to tone the game down some but seriously I see some conflicting data. If you're taking injury into consideration why would Rueban Randle who is healthy be rated lower than Manningham who is hurt and fighting just to make a roster. You guys should consult me in regards to the Giants lol. The depth chart is wrong and I know some of these ratings need a little tweaking.

# 1425 DCEBB2001 @ 08/04/14 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SiNsinNatti


	This is all fact. This is why when I saw it I felt like FBG was just another bunch of salty Packer/Patriot fans tweaking Madden ratings to their liking.

I sure hope you have some proof to back your incorrect assumption that the site is run by salty Packer/Patriot fans. If I wanted to tweak this stuff to my liking, don't you think I would have more players rated in the 80s and 90s than just 3? Wouldn't Aaron Rodgers be a 99? Come on man, get that crap outta here and use some critical thinking skills.

# 1426 DCEBB2001 @ 08/05/14 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SiNsinNatti


	I'll give them a try it looks so interesting and believe me I actually appreciate the attempt to tone the game down some but seriously I see some conflicting data. If you're taking injury into consideration why would Rueban Randle who is healthy be rated lower than Manningham who is hurt and fighting just to make a roster. You guys should consult me in regards to the Giants lol. The depth chart is wrong and I know some of these ratings need a little tweaking.

Read our FAQ section that I linked earlier. Fans are the LAST people we would ever consider consultation from. I even stress to the roster creators/testers to be as unbiased as possible, and I only trust their input because I can trust their honest opinions based on what they produce on the forums.

# 1427 SiNsinNatti @ 08/05/14 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	Read our FAQ section that I linked earlier. Fans are the LAST people we would ever consider consultation from. I even stress to the roster creators/testers to be as unbiased as possible, and I only trust their input because I can trust their honest opinions based on what they produce on the forums.

Lol I was joking as far as the consulting thing goes. I wouldn't. I am being unbiased when I tell you that your ratings are warped. The proof in this will be when YOU have to update them...

# 1428 SiNsinNatti @ 08/05/14 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	I sure hope you have some proof to back your incorrect assumption that the site is run by salty Packer/Patriot fans. If I wanted to tweak this stuff to my liking, don't you think I would have more players rated in the 80s and 90s than just 3? Wouldn't Aaron Rodgers be a 99? Come on man, get that crap outta here and use some critical thinking skills.

Like I initially said when I first saw it I FELT it was run by salty fans and that's a feeling doesn't require tangible proof. I FELT that way because I seen 55 QBs rated better than Eli Manning. Wasn't taking his injury into consideration because he no longer injured. I've gotten use to "anti-Eli-ism" and I say that I jokingly, but I highly doubt there are 55 QBs rated higher than he is legitimately. Seriously Pat Devlin? I like what you guys are trying to do but I just felt like it's not taking into consideration intangibles, talent levels and what is asked of a player. For a video game that is rating based it tilts the game in favor to Pat Devlin starting over him if they end up on the same team. That's my issue with the roster ratings logic you're using. It's not good for CFM.

# 1429 HingleMcCringleberry @ 08/05/14 01:45 AM

^ When a player is a 10 year vet, leads the league in Interceptions, and finishes with the second worst passer rating among all starting QBs, I am inclined to believe that there very well could be 55 QBs better than that player. Maybe more.

# 1430 DCEBB2001 @ 08/05/14 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by SiNsinNatti


	Lol I was joking as far as the consulting thing goes. I wouldn't. I am being unbiased when I tell you that your ratings are warped. The proof in this will be when YOU have to update them...

I only update players when the source data changes. Consider that any updates will be because the scouts feel an update to a player is necessary and not because a Giants homer is complaining about his teams ratings.

# 1431 DCEBB2001 @ 08/05/14 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SiNsinNatti


	Like I initially said when I first saw it I FELT it was run by salty fans and that's a feeling doesn't require tangible proof. I FELT that way because I seen 55 QBs rated better than Eli Manning. Wasn't taking his injury into consideration because he no longer injured. I've gotten use to "anti-Eli-ism" and I say that I jokingly, but I highly doubt there are 55 QBs rated higher than he is legitimately. Seriously Pat Devlin? I like what you guys are trying to do but I just felt like it's not taking into consideration intangibles, talent levels and what is asked of a player. For a video game that is rating based it tilts the game in favor to Pat Devlin starting over him if they end up on the same team. That's my issue with the roster ratings logic you're using. It's not good for CFM.

The logic is sound. If you are hurt, your attributes are affected. If your attributes are affected negatively, your OVR (linked directly to the attribute values) is also affected negatively. I believe that is the "Transitive Property". Once Eli is back to 100%, his ratings will reflect that. No sooner, no later.

# 1432 HingleMcCringleberry @ 08/05/14 11:14 AM

if someone disagrees with the ratings of certain players, they can always change them to their liking.

# 1433 charter04 @ 08/05/14 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by HingleMcCringleberry


	if someone disagrees with the ratings of certain players, they can always change them to their liking.

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner! Lol I can't understand why guys act like ratings are set in stone.

# 1434 SiNsinNatti @ 08/05/14 12:32 PM

Y'all still talking about me huh... No homer sugar honey ice tea at all I just pointed out a flaw in the rating system using a team I'm familiar with... From that assessment I predict that there are other flaws within the other 31 teams too. Basing your ratings off practice is also a flawed theory. Where you get different levels of effort from players who are on the bubble versus someone who knows they are a starter. Like I said before I like what you're attempting I just see flaws in it. Maybe it's only good for play now mode. I think about it from a CFM when all the incoming rookies are going to be rated higher than the vets. Anyway when you see Brewer and you're tweaking his ratings just think of how right "the homer" was.

# 1435 DNMHIII @ 08/05/14 12:42 PM

I think the elephant in the room is how much do attributes actually matter.

How much differential in attributes is needed to really make a Madden player preform to any noticeable difference than another. Does a player with 75 blockshed really preform better than an 80 blockshed? What ratings actually even matter and to what positions?

Does the minutia of ratings really matter in Madden?

# 1436 charter04 @ 08/05/14 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SiNsinNatti


	Y'all still talking about me huh... No homer sugar honey ice tea at all I just pointed out a flaw in the rating system using a team I'm familiar with... From that assessment I predict that there are other flaws within the other 31 teams too. Basing your ratings off practice is also a flawed theory. Where you get different levels of effort from players who are on the bubble versus someone who knows they are a starter. Like I said before I like what you're attempting I just see flaws in it. Maybe it's only good for play now mode. I think about it from a CFM when all the incoming rookies are going to be rated higher than the vets. Anyway when you see Brewer and you're tweaking his ratings just think of how right "the homer" was.

Why do you think Dan is coming up with it? He is only taking the info from scouts. So it would be the scout that's "wrong"

# 1437 azdawgpound @ 08/05/14 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DNMHIII


	I think the elephant in the room is how much do attributes actually matter. How much differential in attributes is needed to really make a Madden player preform to any noticeable difference than another. Does a player with 75 blockshed really preform better than an 80 blockshed? What ratings actually even matter and to what positions? Does the minutia of ratings really matter in Madden?

we'll I do know EA admitted to the pass blocking footwork and run blocking footwork don't even matter in 15 so those are useless ratings so don't even know why ea added those in.

and they way fbg has the players rated atleast for qb's makes the ratings matter I've played quite a few games and I think highest I've seen as far as qb cmp ratings is way lower then a default madden ones are.

default madden ratings for qb's is anywhere from 80-90 cmp ratings... with these the highest I've seen for qb's is 75%.

now same can be said for the rb's least in games I've played yet again with these I think I've only broken the 100 yard mark maybe once or twice with the default ones Donny gives out I can have a 100+ yards with 3 carries.

only thing I have noticed about these ones are there tends to be a lot of injuries in games... which in a normal game they hardely ever seem to happen unless o course u sack the qb then u normally lose your de or dt to a injury.

# 1438 Hooe @ 08/05/14 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by azdawgpound


	we'll I do know EA admitted to the pass blocking footwork and run blocking footwork don't even matter in 15 so those are useless ratings so don't even know why ea added those in.

Per Ian Cummings in 2008, they definitely used to matter. Based on the ratings spreadsheets that have been released thus far for Madden 15, PBS/PBF/RBS/RBF may not even be in the game anymore, however. A change in design necessitated a change in implementation, I suppose.

# 1439 DNMHIII @ 08/05/14 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by azdawgpound


	we'll I do know EA admitted to the pass blocking footwork and run blocking footwork don't even matter in 15 so those are useless ratings so don't even know why ea added those in. and they way fbg has the players rated atleast for qb's makes the ratings matter I've played quite a few games and I think highest I've seen as far as qb cmp ratings is way lower then a default madden ones are. default madden ratings for qb's is anywhere from 80-90 cmp ratings... with these the highest I've seen for qb's is 75%. now same can be said for the rb's least in games I've played yet again with these I think I've only broken the 100 yard mark maybe once or twice with the default ones Donny gives out I can have a 100+ yards with 3 carries. only thing I have noticed about these ones are there tends to be a lot of injuries in games... which in a normal game they hardely ever seem to happen unless o course u sack the qb then u normally lose your de or dt to a injury.

The real question I have though is, are Madden ratings relative to gameplay truly 1-100 or is it 1-10? Does the differential of 10 attribute points make a player better or worse? Does the minutia really matter at all?

I love what's being done here with these ratings because it's a passion for some people and I can appreciate that and I'm the same way. It's just that after testing attributes and sliders extensively myself, I've noticed that a lot of attributes don't seem to be as affected if lowered or raised and I've also noticed that the gap in which is needed between raising or lowering attributes to see any noticeable change in the players movements/performance is broader than 5-10 IMO.

# 1440 azdawgpound @ 08/05/14 01:54 PM

ok I have a question? working on these rosters for 25 im on the dolphins and I get to nate garner on the roster im using the person had him at LG... but u have him listed as LT... so I switched his postion.

I put in the ratings and his overall comes out at 12 instead of the listed 60 on your site.

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