Madden NFL 11 News Post

FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

02:46 PM - January 24, 2011 by RaychelSnr

I recentely sat down for a talk with FBGRatings.com's Dan Berens to discuss his site's vision and what's going on over there today. The site is currently working on getting accurate ratings for every player using real hard data converted into the Madden ratings universe. Dan claims that when these numbers are plugged into the game, it plays much better and much closer to real life. Check out the interview below and also check out Dan's website to see what he's got going on!

Interview with Berens on the OS Radio Show on BlogTalkRadio

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# 781 DCEBB2001 @ 07/30/12 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	Actually, EA has hired three people, that I know of, from OS. AJ, Chase and Christian McCloud.

Well they didn't make me an offer. They have my number and know how to get a hold of me. I am sure if they were sincerely interested they would have acted upon that interest accordingly.

# 782 garret2 @ 08/20/12 12:20 AM

do you anticipate there being anyway to get these rating into the rosters when m13 drops, aside from manually entering them one by one? thanks!

# 783 DCEBB2001 @ 08/21/12 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by garret2


	do you anticipate there being anyway to get these rating into the rosters when m13 drops, aside from manually entering them one by one? thanks!

As of right now there is no plan in place to create a roster for download.

There will be a new ratings update coming after week 3 of the preseason.

# 784 DetroitStyle @ 08/21/12 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	As of right now there is no plan in place to create a roster for download. There will be a new ratings update coming after week 3 of the preseason.

It would be pointless now because of CCM. You can't take edited rosters into franchise, they only work in play now games

EA reminds me of the BCS were only they know the true formula for how they come up with ratings. The only logic for the way EA rates players, that we know of, is when we vote on ratings lol. I'd take Dan's formulas any day over a bunch of slappys clamoring about who should have a 99 speed.

# 785 DCEBB2001 @ 08/21/12 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DetroitStyle


	It would be pointless now because of CCM. You can't take edited rosters into franchise, they only work in play now games EA reminds me of the BCS were only they know the true formula for how they come up with ratings. The only logic for the way EA rates players, that we know of, is when we vote on ratings lol. I'd take Dan's formulas any day over a bunch of slappys clamoring about who should have a 99 speed.

Correct, and it is an issue this year. However, the project will continue and will look toward M14 with a hopeful return of editing for a franchise/CCM mode. Thanks for the vote of confidence BTW.

# 786 K33057 @ 08/22/12 12:48 AM

Would be Great if someone who has used these ratings post a 5 min video of Cpu vs cpu..

# 787 Prophet49 @ 08/22/12 01:58 AM

I looked through the top 50 players on FBG ratings. Not only from a 49er's fan point of view but as a person who loves football just in general, having Justin Smith as an 83 overall is an egregious error.

The problem that is absolutely inherent with a tiered system of rating (where one player is considered better than the other) is that the creator(s) is completely ignoring the idea that two players can overall be as effective as the next, yet excel in different areas.

# 788 Prophet49 @ 08/22/12 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	I am obviously not DECEBB but just wanted to let you know, I believe there is a couple places in this thread that he has stated that Justin Smith's rating, factors in the fact he was injured. After the season starts, week 3 if I am not mistaken, he will be updating players again. If on the FBG website you scroll down, it talks about Justin Smith's injury on his info page.

I noticed his post about Smith's injury and how injuries effect ratings. I don't agree with this but, it's not my personal baby.

My only suggestion then, if that's the case, would be to take a look at how effective Bruce Miller is. Fullback is one of those positions that a player will only get recognition if he's been in the league for 13 years at the position, so it's a shame that no one notices just how effective he is.

# 789 DCEBB2001 @ 08/22/12 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	I am obviously not DECEBB but just wanted to let you know, I believe there is a couple places in this thread that he has stated that Justin Smith's rating, factors in the fact he was injured. After the season starts, week 3 if I am not mistaken, he will be updating players again. If on the FBG website you scroll down, it talks about Justin Smith's injury on his info page.

I got some of the updates in last night. Only about 1/9th of them tho. More to come tonight. The roster updates are from the 19th. There will be another update before the regular season starts after the practice squad players are designated.

# 790 DCEBB2001 @ 08/22/12 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Prophet49


	I noticed his post about Smith's injury and how injuries effect ratings. I don't agree with this but, it's not my personal baby. My only suggestion then, if that's the case, would be to take a look at how effective Bruce Miller is. Fullback is one of those positions that a player will only get recognition if he's been in the league for 13 years at the position, so it's a shame that no one notices just how effective he is.

Smith will be around a 92 or 93 once the update from the 19th is completely uploaded to the site.

As for Miller and your previous post regarding different skills, look at Miller's ratings. He has very good AWR for a one year pro (82) as well as very good physical skills. Even his RBK (70) and PBK (66) is high. The same hold for his IBL (80). In a system where 70 is a universal average, he is rated quite well. However, his abilities as a ball carrier are what is holding his OVR rating down. The low ability to muscle through tackles, see holes, and employ special moves in the open field are holding him back. Once adequate and CONSISTENT evidence of this is provided for, they will be adjusted.

# 791 Prophet49 @ 08/22/12 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	Smith will be around a 92 or 93 once the update from the 19th is completely uploaded to the site. As for Miller and your previous post regarding different skills, look at Miller's ratings. He has very good AWR for a one year pro (82) as well as very good physical skills. Even his RBK (70) and PBK (66) is high. The same hold for his IBL (80). In a system where 70 is a universal average, he is rated quite well. However, his abilities as a ball carrier are what is holding his OVR rating down. The low ability to muscle through tackles, see holes, and employ special moves in the open field are holding him back. Once adequate and CONSISTENT evidence of this is provided for, they will be adjusted.

I can agree with that. I suppose the FB position is gear towards giving a higher rating based off of RB type skills, at least in madden. Miller, in particular, has his skill set almost entirely towards being quick, getting to the block point, and dominating the defender he makes contact with. I wouldn't expect his RB skills like elusiveness, break tackle and the sort to be high, but, as you put it, his run block and IBL, even his speed a little higher than average.

I'm trying hard to be objective about him, but I feel he was a little snubbed by the madden creators themselves, not you in particular.

# 792 DCEBB2001 @ 08/22/12 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Prophet49


	I can agree with that. I suppose the FB position is gear towards giving a higher rating based off of RB type skills, at least in madden. Miller, in particular, has his skill set almost entirely towards being quick, getting to the block point, and dominating the defender he makes contact with. I wouldn't expect his RB skills like elusiveness, break tackle and the sort to be high, but, as you put it, his run block and IBL, even his speed a little higher than average. I'm trying hard to be objective about him, but I feel he was a little snubbed by the madden creators themselves, not you in particular.

If the data has been collected by the scouts to determine an attribute, it is accordingly rated in the FBG system. I don't like to deal in biased speculation, but rather prefer to utilize real information from informed sources.

# 793 DCEBB2001 @ 08/22/12 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	DO you think you might could try to contact however you spoke with before about working for EA/Tiburon, in reference to them utilizing your ratings/FBG for a separate ratings update? What I mean is, during the season I think Moore releases a roster/ratings update very week, so seeing as thee is no editing in CCM, I wonder could EA/Tiburon release a separate player ratings for based on FBG. If not, I am hoping someone figures out a way to replace Moore's file with one edited outside of CCM. Doubtful though.

I was contacted last year by Adambroski who referred my site to his boss. I tried to contact him earlier this month but he said he had no idea on what was going on with Madden as he may be moving to another game. Maybe we need a petition LOL!

# 794 DCEBB2001 @ 08/26/12 02:15 AM

OK guys all of the players have been updated as of the 19th. There will be a new set of updates each Friday/Saturday from here on out through the end of the season starting this upcoming week. Changes will reflect player movement, transactions, designations, and ratings/attributes changes. I know it sucks that we can't use them in CC this year but this season will prove to be a dry run for upcoming seasons when we CAN use FBG Ratings in CC. Feel free to report any errors via PM.

I will also be looking into adding player equipment and updated player profile pics this season so be on the lookout for that as well. Enjoy!

# 795 garret2 @ 08/26/12 08:08 PM

i noticed that peyton manning's throwing power fell from about 85 down to 75. do physical ability ratings like throwing power,speed,etc. reflect current injuries and then go back up to 'full potential' after they've healed?

# 796 DCEBB2001 @ 08/27/12 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by garret2


	i noticed that peyton manning's throwing power fell from about 85 down to 75. do physical ability ratings like throwing power,speed,etc. reflect current injuries and then go back up to 'full potential' after they've healed?

Yes they do. Once Manning shows that his arm is back to his full THP, it will go back up. Right now, however, it is at 75. I understand this is a big drop for him, but I guess that is what the scouting consensus is for the moment. Even after his nice game the other night, it seems like he is only able to chuck it about 40-50 yards or so at the moment. He completed one pass for 38 in his most recent game. He even admitted that his arm is not as strong as it was. The thing here is that he has to PROVE that he is capable of making deeper throws on a consistant basis.

# 797 mrprice33 @ 08/28/12 12:01 PM

Dan, our podcast went up today. Feel free to pimp it!

http://www.vgrevolution.com/2012/08/...-1-dan-berens/

# 798 DCEBB2001 @ 08/28/12 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mrprice33


	Dan, our podcast went up today. Feel free to pimp it! http://www.vgrevolution.com/2012/08/...-1-dan-berens/

Awesome man! Any way to get a topic for it here on OS? You may need to check with Steve OS for approval but I think many Maddeners would be interested.

# 799 DCEBB2001 @ 09/10/12 11:53 AM

OK all, sorry I didn't get to this earlier but the ratings have all been updated for the regular season and are current as of 9/7/2012 for all players. You will note that some players have had increases and decreases in OVR rating. You can see these in the +/- column on the team roster lists as well as on the player's specific profile. You will also notice the PS/IR/PUP/SUS/NFI symbols on the roster lists to designate any special designations.

For example, the Packers roster:

http://www.fbgratings.com/members/vi...ovr&order=DESC

And Cedric Benson's profile:

http://www.fbgratings.com/members/pr...php?pyid=53338

Ratings will be updated weekly from now until the Super Bowl. Feel free to email/PM me with any questions and enjoy!

# 800 HC0023 @ 09/10/12 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	OK all, sorry I didn't get to this earlier but the ratings have all been updated for the regular season and are current as of 9/7/2012 for all players. You will note that some players have had increases and decreases in OVR rating. You can see these in the +/- column on the team roster lists as well as on the player's specific profile. You will also notice the PS/IR/PUP/SUS/NFI symbols on the roster lists to designate any special designations. For example, the Packers roster: http://www.fbgratings.com/members/vi...ovr&order=DESC And Cedric Benson's profile: http://www.fbgratings.com/members/pr...php?pyid=53338 Ratings will be updated weekly from now until the Super Bowl. Feel free to email/PM me with any questions and enjoy!

Hey Dan this would be even better news if we could use these with Madden 13

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