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NBA 2K11 Developer Insight: "Jordan Challenge" - Some Historic Teams Announced

07:01 PM - July 22, 2010 by Steve_OS

2K Sports has just posted their NBA 2K11 Developer Insight, written by Gameplay Producer Zach Timmerman, as he talks about the "Jordan Challenge" and a few other tidbits.

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	"One thing that hasn�t really been mentioned in all the great coverage today, we spent a tremendous amount of time getting the Historic Bulls teams and their biggest rivals into NBA 2K11. We went out and got the rights to the actual players from each era and spent a ton of time capturing their signature shots, moves, and tendencies. So not only are we building you the perfect Michael Jordan in-game, we are also giving you some of the games great players from yesteryear such as Scottie Pippen, Larry Bird, Dominique Wilkins, and many others. With those guys in the game, it didn�t feel right without adding era specific commentary. I am sure the audio team will get into that more in a future Insight. For now, here are the Historic Teams that will be immediately available for you to play this year: 1985-86 Chicago Bulls 1985-86 Boston Celtics 1989-90 Chicago Bulls 1989-90 Atlanta Hawks 1989-90 Cleveland Cavaliers 1989-90 Detroit Pistons 1990-91 Chicago Bulls 1990-91 Los Angeles Lakers 1991-92 Chicago Bulls 1991-92 Portland Trailblazers 1994-95 Chicago Bulls 1994-95 New York Knicks 1995-96 Chicago Bulls 1995-96 Seattle Supersonics 1996-97 Chicago Bulls 1996-97 Utah Jazz 1997-98 Chicago Bulls 1997-98 Utah Jazz"

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# 241 jfsolo @ 07/27/10 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by adembroski


	THUS I shall continue asking for the '93 Suns. Only triple overtime game in Finals History.

I wonder if Barkley asked for too much money, and they said "No", so that nixed the chance for the '93 Suns to make the cut.

# 242 youvalss @ 07/27/10 07:42 PM

Not to mention that MJ scored 41 ppg in the 1993 finals. Imagine that as a challenge

# 243 youvalss @ 07/27/10 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jfsolo


	I wonder if Barkley asked for too much money, and they said "No", so that nixed the chance for the '93 Suns to make the cut.

If that's true...Am I the only one who thinks it's ridiculous that they got MJ but couldn't get Barkley? I mean, it should be the opposite...

# 244 Shakedowncapo @ 07/27/10 07:46 PM

Has Barkleys price shot up that much after 2k6?!

# 245 rangerrick012 @ 07/28/10 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Shakedowncapo


	Has Barkleys price shot up that much after 2k6?!

Those Taco Bell $5 Boxes and Golf Lessons don't pay for themselves.

# 246 ronnieb @ 07/28/10 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by youvalss


	Ok, I have a question, and hopefully who knows something (behind the scenes, for now) can reply: I think it would be cool if in any of these MJ Challenges, prior to starting the challenge, we had like a little intro, maybe a short video from the real game. something that would get you in the mood, and briefly explain the context of the events. Is this thing in the game? And to everyone here, would you like that (if it's not too late)?

This
And the chicago stadium intro

# 247 KyotoCarl @ 07/28/10 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by youvalss


	Ok, I have a question, and hopefully someone who knows something (behind the scenes, for now) can reply: I think it would be cool if in any of these MJ Challenges, prior to starting the challenge, we had like a little intro, maybe a short video from the real game. something that would get you in the mood, and briefly explain the context of the events. Is this thing in the game? And to everyone here, would you like that (if it's not too late)?

Sounds like a good idea. I'd love it!

# 248 Grazz1 @ 07/28/10 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by youvalss


	And the '93 Cavs. MJ had another great shot against them. Scottie Pippen? Top 50 player, not 12-man roster pick for me. I'd pick SF's who could lead a team and took the last shots, drew the defense and were the center of attention for the opposing team. Pippen was great, but doesn't fit this formula. But that's my opinion. I'd pick Bird, Dr. J, Wilkins...and if we're talking about today's players - LBJ. Oh, and Grant Hill in his prime, for sure. Pippen was and will always be the No.2 guy. Nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't put No.2 guys on the best 12-man roster.

Yeah, everyone has an opinion. That's what's great about the sport. Everyone should read Bill Simmon's book (can I say that, is that aloud?). Excellent breakdown of teams and players.

For me I'd always take Pippen over Dr J and Wilkens. For his height, killer D, full court press, ability to read the floor and lead the offence. Both Dr J and Wilkens fall into the Jordan mould. People never seem to rmeember the 22 8 and 6 Pippen put up as the Bulls won 55 in 1994 with an aging Cartwright, Paxson and rookie Kukoc (not to mention Myers, Will Perdue etc).

If I chose a top 12 roster I'd have Bird, James and Pippen as the 3 forwards. You've got everything you need in terms of options then. Shooting, dominant player on the ball and the ultimate role player and top SF defender of all time. I'll leave the drive and kick game to the Jordans and Bryants of the team.

# 249 Grazz1 @ 07/28/10 10:05 AM

Worth viewing, where MJ happens - http://www.operationsports.com/videoview.php?id=219

Olajuwon, Shaq, Russell
Duncan, K Malone
Bird, James, Pippen
Jordan, Bryant
Magic, Stockton by the way... Hard to leave out Kareem, easy to leave out Wilt and Oscar.

# 250 Grazz1 @ 07/28/10 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by youvalss


	And the '93 Cavs. MJ had another great shot against them. Scottie Pippen? Top 50 player, not 12-man roster pick for me. I'd pick SF's who could lead a team and took the last shots, drew the defense and were the center of attention for the opposing team. Pippen was great, but doesn't fit this formula. But that's my opinion. I'd pick Bird, Dr. J, Wilkins...and if we're talking about today's players - LBJ. Oh, and Grant Hill in his prime, for sure. Pippen was and will always be the No.2 guy. Nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't put No.2 guys on the best 12-man roster.

Oh and in my opinion Dr J, Wilkins, Hill. None of them were any more a number one than Pippen. Pippen just happened to be with MJ. Erving didn't reproduce his success from the ABA into the NBA and only won as second fiddle to Moses Malone. Wilkens while good was flash and never led his team that far. Swap Pippen and Hill and I think the 90's Bulls would have less rings than 6.

# 251 youvalss @ 07/28/10 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Grazz1


	Oh and in my opinion Dr J, Wilkins, Hill. None of them were any more a number one than Pippen. Pippen just happened to be with MJ. Erving didn't reproduce his success from the ABA into the NBA and only won as second fiddle to Moses Malone. Wilkens while good was flash and never led his team that far. Swap Pippen and Hill and I think the 90's Bulls would have less rings than 6.

Swap Pippen and Hill, and the Bulls would have won titles since 1989 or so. Don't get me wrong, Pippen was good - especially defensively, but he was and will always be a No.2. And that's why he fit this team. If he was a No.1 player, this team wouldn't be as successful because there was no room for two No.1's. Hill was special because he was a guy who would get along with anyone, so he probably wouldn't mind being a No.2 next to MJ.
Again, nothing wrong with that, Pippen was what the team needed...at least after 1990. MJ couldn't have done it without Pippen, and vice versa. But to me he'll never be a top-12 player, no way! In order to rate him top 12, I would have to ignore many greater players who led their teams during the 60's and 70's in addition to those from the 80's. I just can't do that.

# 252 VDusen04 @ 07/28/10 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jfsolo


	I wonder if Barkley asked for too much money, and they said "No", so that nixed the chance for the '93 Suns to make the cut.

That was the first thing that came to mind. It seems like Charles has a history of either not liking the idea of being in basketball video games or just asking for too much cash in return for his appearance. I keep hearing these sparse rumors that he was in NBA 2K6 but I cannot recall this (I had the PS2 version).

Unfortunately, I think this is going to be as close as we're going to get:

# 253 amra01 @ 07/28/10 01:24 PM

Barkley was in 2k6 xbox360 and in 2k1 sega dreamcast.

# 254 ffaacc03 @ 07/28/10 01:27 PM

Getting back to Developers Insight ... Rod (2k) said that they were aiming at 12 insights, 1 per week, until 2k11 release ... since the first one (main topic) was posted on last 21st, can we expect the second one by sometime today?

# 255 youvalss @ 07/29/10 11:29 AM

Damn! Every time I go to Ronnie2K's Twitter, I see that NHL 2K11's controls insight was released, and acciddently think it's NBA 2K11. I keep making this mistake....damn!

# 256 Goffs @ 07/29/10 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ffaacc03


	Getting back to Developers Insight ... Rod (2k) said that they were aiming at 12 insights, 1 per week, until 2k11 release ... since the first one (main topic) was posted on last 21st, can we expect the second one by sometime today?

i would like to know this to...someone tweet Ron if we're getting an NBA2k11 dev insight today...

# 257 Grazz1 @ 07/29/10 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by youvalss


	Swap Pippen and Hill, and the Bulls would have won titles since 1989 or so. Don't get me wrong, Pippen was good - especially defensively, but he was and will always be a No.2. And that's why he fit this team. If he was a No.1 player, this team wouldn't be as successful because there was no room for two No.1's. Hill was special because he was a guy who would get along with anyone, so he probably wouldn't mind being a No.2 next to MJ. Again, nothing wrong with that, Pippen was what the team needed...at least after 1990. MJ couldn't have done it without Pippen, and vice versa. But to me he'll never be a top-12 player, no way! In order to rate him top 12, I would have to ignore many greater players who led their teams during the 60's and 70's in addition to those from the 80's. I just can't do that.

Thanks. I wasn't stating he was a top 12 player of all time. Just if you had to contruct a roster of 12 players to form the greatest TEAM of all time he would be in it. A hand selected 12 player roster vs the recognised 12 best individuals of all time would win 80% of the time.

Pippen was perfect for the Bulls and would be for the top 12. For example defensively Pippen would play ahead of Magic, Bird, Shaq etc. Chunk Daly called him the second-best player on the Dream Team. Defensively I'd take Pippen over Hill, Dr J, LeBron etc all day long. Doesn't get enough recognition, he controlled the Bulls team's of the 90's, defensively terrorised everyone.

# 258 Grazz1 @ 07/29/10 12:37 PM

Coincidentally I thought I'd compare Hill & Pippen, Over both their peak 6 years and in each players peak year the stats in total are very close. It would indicate Pippen had a better peak year in 95, than Hill in 2000 and vice versa over the 6 years. When you factor in mpg though the total numbers are pretty much identical -

Peak Year		GS	MIN	FG	FG%	3P	3P%	FT	FT%	STL	BLK	TO	PF	OFF	DEF	TOT	AST	PTS	TOT
99-00	Hill	74	37.5	9.4-19.2	0.489	0.5-1.3	0.347	6.5-8.2	0.795	1.4	0.6	3.2	2.6	1.3	5.3	6.6	5.2	25.8	39.6
93-94	Pippen	72	38.3	8.7-17.8	0.491	0.9-2.7	0.320	3.8-5.7	0.660	2.9	0.8	3.2	3.2	2.4	6.3	8.7	5.6	22.0	40.0

Top 6 years (average) -

	GS	MIN	FG	FG%	3P	3P%	FT	FT%	STL	BLK	TO	PF	OFF	DEF	TOT	AST	PTS	TOT
Hill	72.33	38.93	16.370	0.476	0.500	0.189	7.850	0.75	1.62	0.65	3.30	2.58	1.45	6.32	7.75	6.18	21.58	37.8
Pippen	78.83	38.02	16.670	0.481	3.200	0.307	4.770	0.70	2.23	0.85	3.00	2.85	2.23	5.30	7.53	5.95	20.43	37.0

What they do show is Pippen was a better 3pt shooter, had a higher fg%, better in steals, blocks, rebounds and averaged 1ppg less over his 6 peak years than Hill.

The NBA hyped Hill and Kidd because of how good they were from day 1. Pippen came into the NBA younger and in an era when the stars were not hyped like they are before even reaching the pros.

Pippen played in a tougher NBA during his peak than Hill and was never the first option on offence. If Jordan had not played for 6 years over this time Pippens figures would have increased further (as seen in 93-95).

Hype aside Hill was no more a number 1 than Pippen, and nowhere near the defender.

Pippen was the main reason the Bulls won in 91 (the Switch on Magic) before injuries took their toll. Same as in 97 (even the Flu game **** MJ) Pippen took Utah so far out of their offence at times.

# 259 Grazz1 @ 07/29/10 12:39 PM

Missing word in stars is e p i c. Is that a swear word?

# 260 VDusen04 @ 07/29/10 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Grazz1


	Missing word in stars is e p i c. Is that a swear word?

Hah, I've had the same issue the past couple of weeks anytime I try to use a word that happens to have that assortment of letters in the middle of it. I don't know what's going on there.

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