NBA 2K11 Developer Insight: "Jordan Challenge" - Some Historic Teams Announced

[bobozu]

Quote: Originally Posted by miget33

looks like I'm getting an NBA game this year.

[youvalss]

Damn! Every time I go to Ronnie2K's Twitter, I see that NHL 2K11's controls insight was released, and acciddently think it's NBA 2K11. I keep making this mistake....damn!

[Goffs]

Quote: Originally Posted by ffaacc03

Getting back to Developers Insight ... Rod (2k) said that they were aiming at 12 insights, 1 per week, until 2k11 release ... since the first one (main topic) was posted on last 21st, can we expect the second one by sometime today?

i would like to know this to...someone tweet Ron if we're getting an NBA2k11 dev insight today...

[Grazz1]

Quote: Originally Posted by youvalss

Swap Pippen and Hill, and the Bulls would have won titles since 1989 or so. Don't get me wrong, Pippen was good - especially defensively, but he was and will always be a No.2. And that's why he fit this team. If he was a No.1 player, this team wouldn't be as successful because there was no room for two No.1's. Hill was special because he was a guy who would get along with anyone, so he probably wouldn't mind being a No.2 next to MJ. Again, nothing wrong with that, Pippen was what the team needed...at least after 1990. MJ couldn't have done it without Pippen, and vice versa. But to me he'll never be a top-12 player, no way! In order to rate him top 12, I would have to ignore many greater players who led their teams during the 60's and 70's in addition to those from the 80's. I just can't do that.

Thanks. I wasn't stating he was a top 12 player of all time. Just if you had to contruct a roster of 12 players to form the greatest TEAM of all time he would be in it. A hand selected 12 player roster vs the recognised 12 best individuals of all time would win 80% of the time.

Pippen was perfect for the Bulls and would be for the top 12. For example defensively Pippen would play ahead of Magic, Bird, Shaq etc. Chunk Daly called him the second-best player on the Dream Team. Defensively I'd take Pippen over Hill, Dr J, LeBron etc all day long. Doesn't get enough recognition, he controlled the Bulls team's of the 90's, defensively terrorised everyone.

[Grazz1]

Coincidentally I thought I'd compare Hill & Pippen, Over both their peak 6 years and in each players peak year the stats in total are very close. It would indicate Pippen had a better peak year in 95, than Hill in 2000 and vice versa over the 6 years. When you factor in mpg though the total numbers are pretty much identical -

Peak Year		GS	MIN	FG	FG%	3P	3P%	FT	FT%	STL	BLK	TO	PF	OFF	DEF	TOT	AST	PTS	TOT
99-00	Hill	74	37.5	9.4-19.2	0.489	0.5-1.3	0.347	6.5-8.2	0.795	1.4	0.6	3.2	2.6	1.3	5.3	6.6	5.2	25.8	39.6
93-94	Pippen	72	38.3	8.7-17.8	0.491	0.9-2.7	0.320	3.8-5.7	0.660	2.9	0.8	3.2	3.2	2.4	6.3	8.7	5.6	22.0	40.0

Top 6 years (average) -

		GS	MIN	FG	FG%	3P	3P%	FT	FT%	STL	BLK	TO	PF	OFF	DEF	TOT	AST	PTS	TOT
	Hill	72.33	38.93	16.370	0.476	0.500	0.189	7.850	0.75	1.62	0.65	3.30	2.58	1.45	6.32	7.75	6.18	21.58	37.8
	Pippen	78.83	38.02	16.670	0.481	3.200	0.307	4.770	0.70	2.23	0.85	3.00	2.85	2.23	5.30	7.53	5.95	20.43	37.0

What they do show is Pippen was a better 3pt shooter, had a higher fg%, better in steals, blocks, rebounds and averaged 1ppg less over his 6 peak years than Hill.

The NBA hyped Hill and Kidd because of how good they were from day 1. Pippen came into the NBA younger and in an era when the stars were not hyped like they are before even reaching the pros.

Pippen played in a tougher NBA during his peak than Hill and was never the first option on offence. If Jordan had not played for 6 years over this time Pippens figures would have increased further (as seen in 93-95).

Hype aside Hill was no more a number 1 than Pippen, and nowhere near the defender.

Pippen was the main reason the Bulls won in 91 (the Switch on Magic) before injuries took their toll. Same as in 97 (even the Flu game **** MJ) Pippen took Utah so far out of their offence at times.

[Grazz1]

Missing word in stars is e p i c. Is that a swear word?

[VDusen04]

Quote: Originally Posted by Grazz1

Missing word in stars is e p i c. Is that a swear word?

Hah, I've had the same issue the past couple of weeks anytime I try to use a word that happens to have that assortment of letters in the middle of it. I don't know what's going on there.

[youvalss]

Quote: Originally Posted by Grazz1

Hype aside Hill was no more a number 1 than Pippen, and nowhere near the defender. Pippen was the main reason the Bulls won in 91 (the Switch on Magic) before injuries took their toll. Same as in 97 (even the Flu game **** MJ) Pippen took Utah so far out of their offence at times.

I'd still Pick Hill.