03:53 PM - April 7, 2010 by Steve_OS
EA Sports has just posted another Madden NFL 11 blog. This one focusing on locomotion.
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Madden NFL 11 News Post
03:53 PM - April 7, 2010 by Steve_OSEA Sports has just posted another Madden NFL 11 blog. This one focusing on locomotion.
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You don't think that maybe, just maybe, it might be a good idea to actually play BB before declaring euphoria the greatest thing since sliced bread?
Val, you're usually a fairly intelligent and perceptive poster, but imho you're waaaaaaay off base here.
Val, you're usually a fairly intelligent and perceptive poster, but imho you're waaaaaaay off base here.
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Euphoria requires a lot of custom configuration/coding for custom actions, and I personally think they didn't want to invest the time and resources into Euphoria. Why would they? When they already have a working engine? However, I still say that to say it couldn't work is bull. That's why I want to see the post/blog/vid where Ian said it. Plus, I want to make sure I understand his comments in context.
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I don't think anyone said Canned Animations>Procedural Animations. Its the fact no one has made a sports game with this engine until now. Theres a lot more to this then EA wants to stay with Pro-Tac because they created it.
Just because a system worked in GTA IV doesn't mean it will work in football games. In GTA IV, you'd shot a guy in the leg and he'd get up while holding his stomach. Do we want that ina football game? Do we want our players taking hits in the legs and breaking them, but they limp off the field holding their stomach? No... Those are minor things that still need work. I'm willing to bet it will take another Backbreaker title at the least to get everything down thats basic, then if a 3rd and 4th game come out, we'll start seeing the more complex things getting tuned. From what we've heard, WR's don't even try to get both feet down in the game because it was so hard to program, something the Madden team has partially done in the past with its engine.
Just because a system worked in GTA IV doesn't mean it will work in football games. In GTA IV, you'd shot a guy in the leg and he'd get up while holding his stomach. Do we want that ina football game? Do we want our players taking hits in the legs and breaking them, but they limp off the field holding their stomach? No... Those are minor things that still need work. I'm willing to bet it will take another Backbreaker title at the least to get everything down thats basic, then if a 3rd and 4th game come out, we'll start seeing the more complex things getting tuned. From what we've heard, WR's don't even try to get both feet down in the game because it was so hard to program, something the Madden team has partially done in the past with its engine.
Here's some information on Euphoria, so we're all on the same page.
euphoria
euphoria brings Dynamic Motion Synthesis (DMS) onto Playstation® 3, Xbox 360 and PC.
With euphoria, animations are not canned but are generated on-the-fly by the hardware's processors as the game is played. Every tackle is your tackle, every haymaker is your haymaker.
Previously, animation data had to be manually created (through key-framing) or recorded (through motion capture). This is often expensive and laborious, and results in static, non-interactive data.
euphoria is instead based on a full simulation of a 3D character, including body, muscles and motor nervous system. This creates fully interactive animations that act and react differently every time.
euphoria:core
euphoria:core is NaturalMotion's lightweight DMS engine. euphoria:core runs parallel to the game's animation engine and is called by the game's AI whenever synthesised motion is required instead of canned animation. This enables a non-disruptive integration and scalable use.
euphoria:core consists of a small kernel, AI controller modules (for adaptive behaviours) and a rigid dynamics module (for physics). euphoria is physics-engine independent and works with all commercially available engines (as well as proprietary ones).
euphoria
euphoria brings Dynamic Motion Synthesis (DMS) onto Playstation® 3, Xbox 360 and PC.
With euphoria, animations are not canned but are generated on-the-fly by the hardware's processors as the game is played. Every tackle is your tackle, every haymaker is your haymaker.
Previously, animation data had to be manually created (through key-framing) or recorded (through motion capture). This is often expensive and laborious, and results in static, non-interactive data.
euphoria is instead based on a full simulation of a 3D character, including body, muscles and motor nervous system. This creates fully interactive animations that act and react differently every time.
euphoria:coreeuphoria:core is NaturalMotion's lightweight DMS engine. euphoria:core runs parallel to the game's animation engine and is called by the game's AI whenever synthesised motion is required instead of canned animation. This enables a non-disruptive integration and scalable use.
euphoria:core consists of a small kernel, AI controller modules (for adaptive behaviours) and a rigid dynamics module (for physics). euphoria is physics-engine independent and works with all commercially available engines (as well as proprietary ones).
They still have to craft the running animations, throwing animations, etc. Then they have to program how each rating interacts with the game and other players. It would take a long period of time and I doubt we'll see EA use it this generation at all.
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The example you provided has nothing to do with Euphoria. That's the game's implementation (getting shot, and how they react), not the engine. You'd have to code that to have it in Madden, and no, we don't want guys getting shot... wait, ok, no we don't.
That is Euphoria. Where did they get shot, how will it effect their ability? Thats all tied to Euphoria. And anyone with sense gets what I meant with my example, except you Cowboy fans
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And yes, the tackles look beautiful, but the movements don't exactly look to pleasing to the eye outside that. As much as I want BB to be a success(day one for me), it has great tackles, but lacks a lot in most other areas.
...And yes, the tackles look beautiful, but the movements don't exactly look to pleasing to the eye outside that. As much as I want BB to be a success(day one for me), it has great tackles, but lacks a lot in most other areas.
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Anyhow, that's my view, I'll leave you guys to chat about it more.
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Mr_Riddick @ 04/10/10 08:28 PM
Can anyone actually see the videos. if any has a website where i can see the videos i would appreciate it.
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johnnyg713 @ 04/10/10 09:09 PM
Idk why everyone thinks Euphoria is the best Physics engine.. Is there like some sort of award saying that it is? There is new tech coming out all the time. Euphoria looks good but that doesn't mean that Protack is any less advanced. Euphoria has been worked on for years and it has taken a very long time for it to get to where it is now. You guys need to remember Protack's FOUNDATION has just been introduced into madden last year they have been working and tweaking it since. Im not saying its gonna be better than Euphoria, hell Backbreaker might come out and blow madden out of the water in physics and EA will be forced to put the tech in for madden 12. However I think we need to see what the team has done since last year and how much they have improved it before we can jump to any conclusions on what tech will finally make madden a better playing football experience.
Edit: Remember if it wasnt for BB using Euphoria, EA may have never pushed to address momentum and animations. Just look what theyve done taking Fifa's Locomotion system (one of the "best" around) and putting it in madden. EA knows they have to prove that they're the better football game and their physics and animations are the best. Like always competition is good.
Edit: Remember if it wasnt for BB using Euphoria, EA may have never pushed to address momentum and animations. Just look what theyve done taking Fifa's Locomotion system (one of the "best" around) and putting it in madden. EA knows they have to prove that they're the better football game and their physics and animations are the best. Like always competition is good.
Pro-Tac is nothing but procedural animations. Its all still canned. Natural Motion's engine runs off real time physics and obey's all the laws set by those like Newton. EA's animations may appear to be running of a physics engine that calculates momentum based statistics, but it was all handcrafted. What Natural Motion brings to the table is all real time statistics being calculated every millisecond and beyond.
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that's an "epic fail" for this gamer
sorry kids
What? What are you trying to say with your post?
I know it doesn't have the NFL in it. Thats why I am getting all the football games this year. Madden, NCAA, Backbreaker, and maybe Tecmo. I get NFL, College, New and Exciting, and the Classic.
I know it doesn't have the NFL in it. Thats why I am getting all the football games this year. Madden, NCAA, Backbreaker, and maybe Tecmo. I get NFL, College, New and Exciting, and the Classic.
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TheWatcher @ 04/11/10 12:14 AM
Seems like they make LT thinner every year. If he doesn't retire in 2011, they'll have him looking like a skeleton...
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oneamongthefence @ 04/11/10 12:30 AM
Everyone forgets bb was in development for years and it spent all its time working on the tackling system. While Madden gets one year to improve everything in the game. Tackling is an important aspect of football however so is everything else in football. It's a wait and see thing on all the other aspects of football in BB.
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Mr_Riddick @ 04/11/10 11:16 AM
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kjcheezhead @ 04/11/10 12:58 PM
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Also, euphoria doesn't just mean tackling. It's any contact in the game. Blocking, jostling, mid-air collisions betweem dbs and wrs, and of course tackling (including gang tackles).
Oh, and we know they have not 1, but 2 customizable franchises and a very in depth logo creator. BB may appear bare-bones, but it's not all tackles.
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kjcheezhead @ 04/11/10 01:07 PM
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thechamp2009 @ 04/11/10 02:44 PM
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