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MLB '10: The Show - Franchise Issues Update

07:41 PM - March 2, 2010 by Kolbe

Here is our list of the current known issues that we're looking into for immediate attention:

Attendance:
Attendance is not correctly getting reported. In talking with Jeff, he has a fix in mind that is fairly safe but would end up in the actual attendance not mirroring the paid attendance you get in franchise. It would fix the issue where you have 50k+ people attending Spring Training games. This will also fix issues with playoff games and games played in any stadium that isn't your own.
* UPDATE - This was caused by the stadium select screen being added to franchise, causing the attendance to be reset using the non-franchise logic. The stadium select was previously never used for playoff games, so it didn't handle that situation. This is fixed and it also fixes the issue with spring training games showing the attendance as if they were in their home stadium.

Trade Waivers:
Users can claim anyone off of trade waivers - CPU teams will never pull them back.
* UPDATE - fixed this one - a simple fix that will prevent user teams from simply claiming everyone that was passed through trade waivers.

No Contract:
Players can get into a state where they have no contract.
* UPDATE - As soon as a player was placed on release waivers, his contract was cleared. Then if he was claimed, he didn't have a contract. It was also clearing his 40-man roster status, which is what was causing him to go to AAA instead of the MLB team. Have a fix for this.

Player Potential:
Looks like a fairly bad miscommunication ended up with us having some seriously out of whack potentials. This will be corrected with the next roster download (Monday)
* UPDATE - Lorne is taking care of this - will be fixed with a roster update.

Multi Closer issue:
If a CPU team has 2 closers (one acquired in a trade) - they will always send one down to AAA.
* UPDATE - It would just look at the closers and see that they had more than they needed so they'd send one down, but they wouldn't look to see if they could send down a reliever instead and keep the 2nd closer in the bullpen. Have a fix for this.

Multi Trade players:
Not even sure what the details are on this one, but it looks like sometimes a player is traded and then re-traded or waived. Currently investigating.
* UPDATE - I have a fix for the trades. I'll not allow a player to be placed on the trading block by the CPU if he has been acquired by a trade recently.

Manual Trade issue:
I've seen a few reports of users having trades set to Manual and still having trades done by the CPU. Again, no idea how this is happening and we're looking for more information.
* UPDATE - Not sure what's happening here, we can not get this one to reproduce. Whoever is getting this, please make sure that you don't have your profile option set to something different than your global setting. If you need to talk to me via PM or IM for further info, please just say the word!
* UPDATE 2 Thanks to tabarnes19 and a couple hours of debugging we have found the issue and have a fix in the works.

If you respond, please please PLEASE do not be noise. We need clear help or silence - we want these things cleared up as much as you do!

-K

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# 181 Knight165 @ 03/04/10 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cardsfan2222


	I saw in the bugs and glitches thread people complaining about playing as Tampa Bay and the game freezing in the 7th. Have you tried simming past the opening series against TB and seeing if the freeze happens against other teams? You could try playing the TB games at a different stadium to see if that helped as well.

Yes...it's Tampa...not the O's I believe.
I just played an O's game to the finish against Toronto(the second series)...pausing several times in the 6th-7th-8th and 9th innings.
I'll try TB now...in their stadium and in others.

M.K.
Knight165

# 182 Knight165 @ 03/04/10 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KingSeyton


	So whats the word on the auto trade thing happening? I had it happen with the astros (i think I got adam lind from the blue jays? blue jay fan can correct the name for me). Is there a way to get around this or do we have to wait for them to fix it (anyone know when it will be fixed?)? I'm ok starting a franchise now b/c the Astros suck so I won't play games until the 10th or so season, but if the PC is gonna trade my players it kills it.

I'm not sure...again...I would think the more info the better.
Does it happen when you hit auto fix for lineups or rotations?
Is it happening whether you auto fix anything or not?
Isolating it is the key.

M.K.
Knight165

# 183 xcef2005 @ 03/04/10 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Knight165


	Yes...it's Tampa...not the O's I believe. I just played an O's game to the finish against Toronto(the second series)...pausing several times in the 6th-7th-8th and 9th innings. I'll try TB now...in their stadium and in others. M.K. Knight165

I was pretty worried about this, since I like playing random games in Franchise. Can anyone explain the situation or whats going on in the game when this happens? I just got done playing O's Vs Tampa and I had 0 problems. No freezing, no glitching and it played fine. Now if I play it again I might not get the same result but as far as me, I didnt have any problems.

Now for that game I actually played both sides with one controller. What I mean by that is some innings I played pticher for both teams, other innings I was the batters for both teams. Just to see what would happen. So maybe that stopped freezing from happening. But again maybe I've just been lucky as I cant say I've had these problems yet.

# 184 Knight165 @ 03/04/10 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by xcef2005


	I was pretty worried about this, since I like playing random games in Franchise. Can anyone explain the situation or whats going on in the game when this happens? I just got done playing O's Vs Tampa and I had 0 problems. No freezing, no glitching and it played fine. Now if I play it again I might not get the same result but as far as me, I didnt have any problems. Now for that game I actually played both sides with one controller. What I mean by that is some innings I played pticher for both teams, other innings I was the batters for both teams. Just to see what would happen. So maybe that stopped freezing from happening. But again maybe I've just been lucky as I cant say I've had these problems yet.

I don't know...I just played Tampa vs. Yanks(second series)...at Tampa....late innings no freeze.
It did do it w/the O's vs Tampa as some said...but I played the O's second series with Tor...no freeze.
Maybe it's something O's vs. Tampa at Tampa?
Weird.

M.K.
Knight165

# 185 ocho cuatro @ 03/04/10 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KingSeyton


	So whats the word on the auto trade thing happening? I had it happen with the astros (i think I got adam lind from the blue jays? blue jay fan can correct the name for me). Is there a way to get around this or do we have to wait for them to fix it (anyone know when it will be fixed?)? I'm ok starting a franchise now b/c the Astros suck so I won't play games until the 10th or so season, but if the PC is gonna trade my players it kills it.

No matter what you do, the CPU will put your players on the trading block, even if you have everything set at manual.

But if you control all 30 teams, I believe that you can avoid having your players traded.

In terms of the patch, I wouldn't expect this to be fixed for another couple of months (I think the 2nd patch for '09 was delivered at the end of April).

# 186 countryboy @ 03/04/10 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KingSeyton


	So whats the word on the auto trade thing happening? I had it happen with the astros (i think I got adam lind from the blue jays? blue jay fan can correct the name for me). Is there a way to get around this or do we have to wait for them to fix it (anyone know when it will be fixed?)? I'm ok starting a franchise now b/c the Astros suck so I won't play games until the 10th or so season, but if the PC is gonna trade my players it kills it.

the way to get around it is to not simulate more than one days worth of games at a time and to check your pending transactions every single day. The game doesn't accept trades for you, only proposes them. So you could see a proposed trade and back it out if it was cpu generated.

You must also be on the setting where decisions on trades aren't done immediately.

# 187 tabarnes19_SDS @ 03/04/10 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KingSeyton


	From the first post here it seems to me that they already identified it. All I did was start the franchise and sim through the first season, all default setting except I had injuries/rehab/training set to CPU. I'm not the most knowledgable about the inner workings of the game so I don't think I can give you much more info than that, I just know that this error is devastating for franchise play.

When I had the auto trade happen I would auto fix lineup through out the season on a few test sims. Now the key here is the trades did not always happen when I auto fixed something sometimes it was when there was an injury or what not.

Now I know Kolbe identified it, but as to what triggers it I do not know. Could it be injuries cause the cpu to sign, trade for players? IDK.....Maybe once Kolbe has things ironed out and isolates every variable he will give us a work around or the trigger till a patch is released.

Edit: I haven't really touched the game since day 1 so maybe can test and see if it is injuries causing it.....turn off all injuries and sim.

# 188 ocho cuatro @ 03/04/10 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KingSeyton


	wow, if thats the case I'm returning the game tonight. I play sports games for the franchises and the CPU trading away your players when simming even a few days completely defeats the purpose of what a franchise is about. Fail?

Sorry, don't take my speculation as gospel. I have no idea and, as tabernes suggests, there may be a work around.

Personally, I don't see it as a killer. Just keep an eye out for trade requests, and reject them all. That's it.

# 189 countryboy @ 03/04/10 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KingSeyton


	But it says you control ALL trades, even between the other teams right? I'd still like the other teams to trade between themselves. Seems to me they 100% screwed up the franchise portion of this game.

I've provided the workaround so that you don't have the cpu trade for you, if that is whats leading to the decision to trade in the game.

# 190 countryboy @ 03/04/10 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KingSeyton


	didnt really answer the question, if you use your work around does that mean that the other 29 teams will never trade between themselves without you having to do something?

no. My workaround is for you controlling your team only. All you have to do is pay attention to your pending transactions. Don't sim more than one day at a time. You don't have play every game.

Just make sure the trade setting is set so that teams take a couple of days before deciding whether or not to accept/reject the trade.

# 191 EWRMETS @ 03/04/10 03:02 PM

What about turning off trades until the patch is out? Unless you sim, you won't be that far into your season by late April/early May and not many trades happen early in the season anyways in real life.

# 192 pistolpete @ 03/04/10 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by EWRMETS


	What about turning off trades until the patch is out? Unless you sim, you won't be that far into your season by late April/early May and not many trades happen early in the season anyways in real life.

That'd be fine, but the potentials are jacked up too.

# 193 mjarz02 @ 03/04/10 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by countryboy


	the way to get around it is to not simulate more than one days worth of games at a time and to check your pending transactions every single day. The game doesn't accept trades for you, only proposes them. So you could see a proposed trade and back it out if it was cpu generated. You must also be on the setting where decisions on trades aren't done immediately.

good info! I simulate day by day when im not playing the games so this will work for me, but I can see where it would be a problem for those who like to sim a whole season!

# 194 stormshadow1 @ 03/04/10 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EWRMETS


	What about turning off trades until the patch is out? Unless you sim, you won't be that far into your season by late April/early May and not many trades happen early in the season anyways in real life.

^^^^This is exactly what I am going to do.

# 195 thinkblue_09 @ 03/04/10 03:05 PM

All I can say is WOW!!!! All these workarounds, and glitches, "Don't do this but make sure you do this, however if you do that this will happen and then you can't do this!!" What is this baloney!!!

I paid 60 dollars for a game that I love, and they have completely ruined Franchise. Did the developers not Sim a Month before releasing????? I've done every possible scenario, with out using the workarounds on here. I've tried setting up my profile over again, quadruple checking to make sure everything is set to where I control it for my team. I have even reset rosters to what came with the game. I go in start a franchise and do everything, even turning injuries off to make sure that doesn't trigger a trade proposal and trades are still going through?!?!?!?!?

Players are still being sent down to the minors?!?!?!!?

One time I just said "Skip Spring" and then I get a message: Eric Stults has been placed on Waivers if noone claims him he will be placed on Triple A" something like that. I am just so disappointed right now in this game, to think that I have to wait for months to get a fix to something this problematic is just excruciating. Horrible, horrible job!!! O's franchise seems broken, can't get past TB series w/o a freeze. Can't Sim. Can't play Franchise. Unbelievably bad job this year.

# 196 stormshadow1 @ 03/04/10 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pistolpete


	That'd be fine, but the potentials are jacked up too.

Those are to be fixed Monday w/ roster update.

# 197 pistolpete @ 03/04/10 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by thinkblue_09


	All I can say is WOW!!!! All these workarounds, and glitches, "Don't do this but make sure you do this, however if you do that this will happen and then you can't do this!!" What is this baloney!!! I paid 60 dollars for a game that I love, and they have completely ruined Franchise. Did the developers not Sim a Month before releasing????? I've done every possible scenario, with out using the workarounds on here. I've tried setting up my profile over again, quadruple checking to make sure everything is set to where I control it for my team. I have even reset rosters to what came with the game. I go in start a franchise and do everything, even turning injuries off to make sure that doesn't trigger a trade proposal and trades are still going through?!?!?!?!? Players are still being sent down to the minors?!?!?!!? One time I just said "Skip Spring" and then I get a message: Eric Stults has been placed on Waivers if noone claims him he will be placed on Triple A" something like that. I am just so disappointed right now in this game, to think that I have to wait for months to get a fix to something this problematic is just excruciating. Horrible, horrible job!!! O's franchise seems broken, can't get past TB series w/o a freeze. Can't Sim. Can't play Franchise. Unbelievably bad job this year.

You'll get flamed, but this is my first year with the show and it reminds me of when MVP04 was launched and despite how close and epic it was LH could not drive the ball.

It is pretty lame they missed alot of that stuff.

# 198 thinkblue_09 @ 03/04/10 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pistolpete


	You'll get flamed, but this is my first year with the show and it reminds me of when MVP04 was launched and despite how close and epic it was LH could not drive the ball. It is pretty lame they missed alot of that stuff.

I'm sure I will get flamed. I just am in a state of disbelief. I am a reasonably patient person, despite what my post might sound like. I can get over a flaw here and there or something not being perfected right away. But this just seems like an epic fail!

# 199 mjarz02 @ 03/04/10 03:14 PM

yeah this years franchise mode has some serious flaws and may be a deal breaker for some. However, from following these boards the devs are working on a fix and we will get a patch in the near future. It sucks that it shipped with these flaws but there is nothing any of us can do about it now except try use the workarounds. Maybe for those of you who cant wait til the patch comes out, trade in the show and get 2k10

# 200 countryboy @ 03/04/10 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KingSeyton


	I'm not talking about playing every game, I'd play every game once I get 10-15 seasons into the franchise. if I was focused on the 1 season I would play season mode, not franchise. Having to sim 1 day at a time and checking the pending transactions every day for 10-15 seasons is rediculous.

its a workaround until the patch comes out. But it seems your mind is made up...so I'll stop with the workarounds.

And you won't get a definite answer on the patch for a few weeks at least in my opinion as they have to fix, test, and approve the patch before they give an ETA.

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