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http://forums.ea.com/mboards/thread....61380&tstart=0

The patch has been released!

Quick re-cap of what it is covering:

The jersey on the EASHL side select screen is more visible than
the team logo. This will make it easier for people to see when jersey
colors clash

Deking controls normal when shooting downscreen with "Always Up"
controls

Checking has been tuned so you will see less big hits from guys
that aren't traditionally known for hitting

Less CPU AI one-timers

Increased the height of dump ins, for a better dump and chase
game.

No more goals from flip dumps

Better CPU AI logic near offensive blueline so they don't go
off-sides as much

CPU goalie will not drag the puck back toward himself in a
shootout

We have fixed the goals from outside shots that people are
scoring. We have reduced shot accuracy when on the rush and when turning
quickly, and from far out. You will now have to be more conservative
when shooting on the rush. If you aim all the way to the left or right,
your shot will go wide a lot more. Try aiming more towards the middle to
hit the net from outside. This fixes the cross goal where you shoot back
the other way, and the goal that goes in with the "curve" animation, and
a few others. There's a reason NHL players don't shoot from outside on
the rush very often. Dumping or trying to set up is a better play unless
you have an odd-man situation.

We reduced the time it took to get control of the goalie by 1/3.

When line changes are set to auto, and a user changes
lines/defense manually between whistles, the line/defensive pair you
asked for will come out (or stay out).

If you have line changes off in Be a Pro, line change player
chatter will be turned off.

When using a defenseman in BAP, BAP player won't get stuck on
the bench and will be able to call for change

The EASHL will now go to continuous 5v5 overtime until one team
scores. This way nobody has to sit out, and you get to decide who wins
(this is now just like the NHL Play-offs)

The proper own-goal cut scene will be shown where the player who
scored on himself is upset.

All cut scenes should now show players sitting in their
respective team's bench.

Increase AI team aggressiveness and the likelihood of them
getting called for a penalty on an infraction.

If Vision Control is pressed, you do not throw a hit when in
front of the attacking net. This helps with rebound shots.
Increase the likelihood of a penalty if the stick hits the body
during a stick lift.

Reduce the accuracy of shots for penalty shots and shootouts.
Aiming for just inside the post is a lot tougher now.
Just got prompted for an update. Have been trying things out, the most telling thing to me that I immediately tried out was the dump height, which after my d/l is different than before. Also, puck physics seem quite a bit different in a good way.

EDIT: It's the patch alright. Checked out the always up controls, dekeing is fixed. Unfortunately shot aim is still not correct.

EDIT: I don't know what some people were talking about in regards to shot accuracy being a problem. As long as you're shooting from a good platform the accuracy is just as good as before, some shots even seem to be better quality. You just can't be an idiot and shoot while skating full speed on the rush and expect to hot the net. Also whoever said this game was much better on SS post-patch was absolutely right. It's not even close, SS is fantastic after the patch. Haven't had any stupid goals or seen the cpu one-timer crazy. Can't wait to see what QB and some of the others have to say about this.

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# 121 nyr30 @ 11/18/08 07:21 AM
Has anyone had an trouble with the controls not working at times?

Last night i was playing a game against Florida and it went to overtime where i lost 3-2 after giving up a goal i had no control over. I was in Florida's zone and lost the puck but i was close enough to stick lift so i pressed X and nothing happened so i kept chasing Bouwmeester and pressed X again but still nothing, eventually they were in my zone and i tried to poke check but it never did anything either so i tried a check and hit the Florida player but the puck stayed in the zone so when my forward tried to close down the point man and get a poke check in it never worked, the poke and stick lift werent doing anything and needless to say Florida scored.

I had no way to stop the goal, really spoiled what was a competive game up till then i outshot them 29-27 and had scored with just 2 minutes remaining to tie the game at 2-2. Its like my controls switched off to let the CPU score, really disappointing.

Has this happened to anyone?
 
# 122 Qb @ 11/18/08 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by nyr30
Has anyone had an trouble with the controls not working at times?
Yes, I was playing a rare (for me) offline game the other night and I could not pass the puck with one of my defensemen. Eventually the CPU stole it from me, but I recovered it and stupidly passed it back to the same guy. Once again, he could not pass, so this time I had my wits about me and flipped the puck into the bench. Next time he was on the ice, everything was fine...
 
# 123 DrUrsus @ 11/18/08 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by BIG CAROLINA
From a person who has both I would have to say NHL 09 post patch.I like the goalies and puck physics better in 2K9, but that is about is about it for me.
I am not sure what you are looking for in a hockey game but my best advice would be to rent them both and see which one you like better. You are going to get votes both ways and it can get a little crazy so just go out and rent both.
Thanks, I have rented 2K and liked it overall, but my local Blockbuster doesn't rent EA NHL 09 for some reason, so I haven't been able to compare. I usually just buy both, but this year my wife and I have set a stricter budget
EDIT: After reading more about post patch I am not so sure I want to get NHL 09
 
# 124 DrUrsus @ 11/18/08 11:53 AM
This won't help for those that want to play online, but you could remove the patch by clearing your hard drive cache, and just reinstalling the patches for games you want. Just make sure you are not online when you boot up NHL 09. Of course, you're screwed if you want to play online
 
# 125 DrUrsus @ 11/18/08 12:04 PM
I have EA NHL 08. Are there any new rosters for it anywhere? I did a search but came up empty. Is EA NHL 09 that much better, and in what way? I would like the new rosters, but maybe I should just wait and buy a new hockey game next year since I am a casual NHL fan.
 
# 126 Darkleaf @ 11/18/08 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DrUrsus
I have EA NHL 08. Are there any new rosters for it anywhere? I did a search but came up empty. Is EA NHL 09 that much better, and in what way? I would like the new rosters, but maybe I should just wait and buy a new hockey game next year since I am a casual NHL fan.

I play 09 for EASHL.This alone made it worth the purchase for me.
 
# 127 BIG CAROLINA @ 11/18/08 01:37 PM
I am loving this game post patch. I don't know, maybe I don't know enough about Hockey to notice the flaws that other are seeing but I have nothing to complain about.

I may not be as good as some other members here, but I can score as well as the cpu. I have no money goals and even if I thought I did I would not go to them over and over again (Wheres the fun in that).

My main gripe pre patch was a lack of penalties and that has been addressed and I could not be happier with this game right now.
 
# 128 jtp137 @ 11/19/08 12:03 AM
this is the worst nhl game i can remember in a long time i enjoyed 07 and 08 alot more. I am so irritated at two things if I cant find some way of fixing these things with sliders I am skipping a hockey game this yearfficeffice" />>>
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1. cpu defense player smacking my player in front of the net moving him halfway across the ice and knocking him to the ground I guess they never heard of interference>>
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2. 90 percent of shots on my goalie equals a juicy rebound>>
 
# 129 catcatch22 @ 11/19/08 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by jtp137
this is the worst nhl game i can remember in a long time i enjoyed 07 and 08 alot more. I am so irritated at two things if I cant find some way of fixing these things with sliders I am skipping a hockey game this yearfficeffice" />>>
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1. cpu defense player smacking my player in front of the net moving him halfway across the ice and knocking him to the ground I guess they never heard of interference>>
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2. 90 percent of shots on my goalie equals a juicy rebound>>
1 - Lower hooking penalty to 1 or zero and the AI won't push the player in front of the net anymore.

2 - raise goalie cover puck to 6 and no more rebounds.
 
# 130 bjackets @ 11/19/08 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by zudatron
What would you say goes into this "core" engine besides catch up logic?
Catch up logic can encompass a lot of things....but I think all EA games are programmed at the higher levels to create " high drama " using the cheats so that the AI makes things close enough and frustating enough to keep the consumer playing.

All EA games have a very similar flow/feel to them and the way that the AI reacts to certain situations is the same with all their games. Basically it's the same scripted story just with different sports.

For example whenever I play one of their sports games it feels just like I'm playing any of the others.....not really any difference in how the AI reacts to certain similar situations across the board.

This EA formula is harded coded into the basic sports engine and is why you have so many identical scripted AI behavioral patterns throughout their sports genre.

ohiost
 
# 131 bad_philanthropy @ 11/19/08 03:28 AM
For some reason the cpu is more competitive against me now, while not really capitalizing on weak or cheap goals. I can't really explain it. Never had a problem with goal variety with the patch either, so I'm not sure what people are talking about when they say that ways to score are now limited.
 
# 132 nyr30 @ 11/19/08 04:58 AM
The goals i am losing in this game are a joke, playing good defense just isnt rewarded, i dont mind losing the odd strange goal but if the AI wants to score it just feels like it will do whatever it takes to do it.

these are in the same game

http://www.easportsworld.com/en_US/video/2314966

http://www.easportsworld.com/en_US/video/2310942

I also had one of those goals that never crossed the line given against me, thats what started the AI on its momentum. it really is sickening.
 
# 133 tabulaRasa @ 11/19/08 06:03 AM
Well you reply as if I sucked , the thing is that I haven´t lost a game, it´s the way the game is played. I still win , as I think I have said a few times. And maybe you feel stick down on dekeing players is more realistic than a sticklift?

Post patch sucks and all it does is benefitting bad players . Dekes got more effective because fools can´t pass and get good lanes. Stick lifts were too effective before, but stickwork now on D is pathetic in comparison. And fools like the checks so they made focus more on that, so now it looks more like bumpercar action on the ice, and the small puck loosing checks are so annoying(because they happen all the time).

You can talk all you want, but what EA did is to encourage players to take the puck to the crease , all the way. It´s much more % effective and with the dekes it´s so much easier.
Pre patch, chances weren´t as concentrated to the front of the net and as close to the net.

I can still score varied, but this game CLEARLY benefit you if you are right by the net.

ANd my problem is not that I have to resort to cheapness, it´s that EA benefits cheapness with this new patch, and online many people resort to the cheap, and now games are pathetic online compared to before.

And it has to be said, this patch online benefits bad players. They still loose, but the games are boring. ANd hardly realistic.

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Originally Posted by catcatch22
I don't agree cause all the cheap goals that you mention that people are using now were there pre patch as well. However these cheap movements can be stopped since they have to get near the net.

As for the uber deking I simply get in front and put the stick down and they lose the puck everytime or don't go kamikaze and try to hit everyone.

As for the s moves from the boards all you have to do is stand there and wait and when they come back over the goal line put the sitck down and they lose the puck again and again.

You can defend these tactics. If you are winning game in and game out then why are you complaining? Is it because you can only score this way yourself? I have scored many different ways so I am not sure what has been limited. I've scored from distance and in close without having to resort to anything cheap.
 
# 134 catcatch22 @ 11/19/08 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by tabulaRasa
Well you reply as if I sucked , the thing is that I haven´t lost a game, it´s the way the game is played. I still win , as I think I have said a few times. And maybe you feel stick down on dekeing players is more realistic than a sticklift?

Post patch sucks and all it does is benefitting bad players . Dekes got more effective because fools can´t pass and get good lanes. Stick lifts were too effective before, but stickwork now on D is pathetic in comparison. And fools like the checks so they made focus more on that, so now it looks more like bumpercar action on the ice, and the small puck loosing checks are so annoying(because they happen all the time).

You can talk all you want, but what EA did is to encourage players to take the puck to the crease , all the way. It´s much more % effective and with the dekes it´s so much easier.
Pre patch, chances weren´t as concentrated to the front of the net and as close to the net.

I can still score varied, but this game CLEARLY benefit you if you are right by the net.

ANd my problem is not that I have to resort to cheapness, it´s that EA benefits cheapness with this new patch, and online many people resort to the cheap, and now games are pathetic online compared to before.

And it has to be said, this patch online benefits bad players. They still loose, but the games are boring. ANd hardly realistic.
I don't know what I have to do to show that you can score from several places on the ice other that to document it in video proof as well as proof you can defend the dekes easily as well. I think your the one feeling it's bad because you are only using cheap methods to score cause you feel the other methods are too much work when it is not. I have faced alot of the dekers and cheap players and hold them to 1 or 0 goals cause they never get more than 3 shots against me.
 
# 135 kt-od @ 11/19/08 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by nyr30
The goals i am losing in this game are a joke, playing good defense just isnt rewarded, i dont mind losing the odd strange goal but if the AI wants to score it just feels like it will do whatever it takes to do it.

these are in the same game

http://www.easportsworld.com/en_US/video/2314966

http://www.easportsworld.com/en_US/video/2310942

I also had one of those goals that never crossed the line given against me, thats what started the AI on its momentum. it really is sickening.
That is pretty bad. I'm not trying to 1-up you or anything, but check this out. It goes fast so you have to have a keen eye. I'm already down 3-0 in this game. Langenbrunner has the puck and shoots it at a 45 degree angle. The puck magically changes direction and goes into the net.

It almost looks like the puck is on a yo-yo, or is a boomerang. I named the video "phantom winger", because the only way it could have changed direction like this is if person skating in one-timed it. But there was no-one else there. This goal made me so mad.








 
# 136 original6 @ 11/19/08 02:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyr30
The goals i am losing in this game are a joke, playing good defense just isnt rewarded, i dont mind losing the odd strange goal but if the AI wants to score it just feels like it will do whatever it takes to do it.

these are in the same game

http://www.easportsworld.com/en_US/video/2314966

http://www.easportsworld.com/en_US/video/2310942

I also had one of those goals that never crossed the line given against me, thats what started the AI on its momentum. it really is sickening.
OUCH! Just.........wow! Looks like the same crap I've had to put up with. The goalies in this game are by far the biggest gamekillers for me. Seems I can't go through a game with at least one or two goals being scored like that by either the cpu or myself. Then again, if you watched the Wild vs. Pens on Versus last night and saw the first goal go in off the faceoff and trickle in.....maybe the goalie ai isn't that unrealistic.
 
# 137 nyr30 @ 11/19/08 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by original6
OUCH! Just.........wow! Looks like the same crap I've had to put up with. The goalies in this game are by far the biggest gamekillers for me. Seems I can't go through a game with at least one or two goals being scored like that by either the cpu or myself. Then again, if you watched the Wild vs. Pens on Versus last night and saw the first goal go in off the faceoff and trickle in.....maybe the goalie ai isn't that unrealistic.

Yeah i saw that goal, Sabourin never realised till it was behind him.

It really is annoying, You can play flawless defense all game only for the dumb goals to happen, it really is hard to keep it together when it happens because you just feel like you are being cheated, well i do.

I dont think any of us minds losing to the CPU, its just the fashion it happens, it feels scripted and like you have no control. If the CPU beats me with good plays and pulls me out of position then fine, thats what i want but if it starts awarding goals that didnt go over the line or my controls mysteriously seem to fail at the time i am under pressure then i can do without that stress.

I cant afford to keep buying new controllers
 
# 138 bad_philanthropy @ 11/19/08 04:36 PM
I have a question about what you guys have your shot power slider set to. I've been doing some experimenting. If you have it anything under three the goalie really gets confused by the slower shots and doesn't seem to be able to gauge them properly from time to time.
 
# 139 andayaman @ 11/19/08 04:37 PM
After you update with the patch, can you remove it if you don't like the way the game plays post-patch?
 
# 140 kt-od @ 11/19/08 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by andayaman
After you update with the patch, can you remove it if you don't like the way the game plays post-patch?
Yes, go to you Saved Game Utility and delete it. But you will have to disconnect from the internet, if you want to play pre-patch, or it will prompt you to d/l it everytime.
 


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