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NCAA Football 09 Patch 2 Info (Pasta Padre)

05:11 PM - July 25, 2008 by callmetaternuts

Pasta Padre has posted some information on NCAA Football 09 patch #2.

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	"The roster editing patch is currently in certification at Microsoft and Sony. There is no specific day the patch will be approved and pushed out but it should not be too long now, possibly by the end of next week. The second patch, which is intended to improve different gameplay elements, is still in the evaluation period. Right now a reasonable expectation on when this patch will arrive is September. So far it will include fixes to sliders, improvements to kick/punt return coverage, and various tuning to areas such as zone coverages, man vs RBs, and strafe catching. There will be more included in the patch but as of now those are the things that are confirmed."

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# 41 jfsolo @ 07/25/08 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sixthgradetyrant


	In all honesty, I'm now wondering what my options are for a full refund. Probably none, but I plan on contacting EA about my dissatisfaction on having to wait until September -- possibly, hell probably, longer -- to get a playable version of a game I paid $65 for on July 15. And I agree with AA, that if core gameplay on the defensive side isn't fixed (DL especially), then what's the use? Again, in the consumer world, when a product fails to meet its basic requirements and a satisfactory replacement can't be had for 2 months, the consumer gets a REFUND. And no matter what anyone else says, a game with broken sliders and broken defensive gameplay is just that: broken.

Now I didn't buy the game because the decisions they made were unacceptable to me. The sliders do seem to be broken, but what they did on defense and special teams seems to a be a conscious design choice.

They may be rethinking some of those choices, because of the because all the heat they're getting from various net media, but many of those decisions are probably irreversible in the short term. I not sure you guys are get enough to not still feel totally cheated.

Although I agree with your subjective assessment of the game, objectively its not really broken. They chose to tune the game so that it is exceeding easy to have a lot of success offensively. The game isn't realistic, but it is playable. If you look at the features list in the preview they pretty much did the things the said they were going to do. They didn't say anything about realistic defense or A.I.

So while I totally understand why you're pissed, I'm not sure the sliders screw up is enough to get you a refund.

# 42 g2thecore @ 07/25/08 10:24 PM

Too bad we have to wait til' after Madden for the patch that I care about the most....That's pathetic.....By the time September rolls around I won't care for NCAA anymore, I'll be too busy playing Madden to care.

# 43 The Chef @ 07/25/08 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Unit40


	I have a hunch that the reason why there isn't much of a pass rush is to reduce the likelihood of NCAA 08's INT party. Seriously. When the CPU QB is under pressure, what does it usually do? Throw into coverage or just throw blindly somewhere. Sure it may take a sack here and there. I have yet to see the CPU QB throw the ball away/out of bounds. Not once. It will just throw into coverage somewhere. That is just my guess. I could be totally off-base, but that's my "hunch".

Thats been my thought for years and I really dont understand how EA hasnt addressed it by making the CPU QB throw the damn ball away, it was the reason we had the INT fest last year, they would rather throw it up for grabs then take a sack and Im dumbfounded how the developers either havent caught this or dont think it should be changed.

On a side note, I keep reading guys saying they are tempted to trade it in towards Madden but might keep it to wait for the patch. Why not trade it in, take the 40.00 credit towards Madden and buy NCAA again down the road, when its going to be 30.00-40.00 on ebay anyways and take advantage of the deal now if you arent going to play NCAA currently anyways?

# 44 Seahawk76 @ 07/25/08 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pimping219


	On a side note, I keep reading guys saying they are tempted to trade it in towards Madden but might keep it to wait for the patch. Why not trade it in, take the 40.00 credit towards Madden and buy NCAA again down the road, when its going to be 30.00-40.00 on ebay anyways and take advantage of the deal now if you arent going to play NCAA currently anyways?

Good idea. I think I'll do that, although I doubt I'll buy it down the road. There are too many other games coming down the pike to wait around for Tiburon to finish this game.

# 45 xV3L0CiTY @ 07/26/08 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by I OU aBeatn


	AA, I don't know what you're doing, but if you're getting 8-15 seconds to throw, then you need to play better opponents. I can get great pressure anytime I want with a few adjustments, that isn't the problem. The problem is that the coverage is so bad, the QB is able to drift back just enough to be able to dump the ball off to a curl, drag, out, etc.. If they make man coverages more aggressive, zones more effective, hook zones and flats more effective(which were all included in that list), then you're not going to have those WRs getting the free release, which means the blitz WILL get to the QB. The problem isn't with pass rush as much as it is with the absolutely HORRID coverage that enables a WR to get open within a second every single play. Regardless, you're not getting freaking 8-15 seconds or anywhere near that to throw the ball. Be real.

I'm going to defend AA here as I agree with everything he says.

I don't know which version of the game you have but you must have got the "magical" one with pass rush. Because in my copy it is non existent.

The QB can sit in a recliner, finish of a 6 pack of beer, go take a wiz and come back to complete a pass.

Like AA said, no matter how much or what they fix, if they don't fix the pass rush the game is absolutely worthless...makes a great coaster though.

# 46 Tomba @ 07/26/08 12:26 AM

It's pretty simple no one will wait til sept for a patch at this point. i think we're all hoping that madden IS this years football game

# 47 The Chef @ 07/26/08 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Tomba321


	It's pretty simple no one will wait til sept for a patch at this point. i think we're all hoping that madden IS this years football game

Thats just it, Im renting this from Gamefly and if I can get it to work out then fine but if I cant then its going back to Gamefly and Im waiting on Madden, there is no way Im waiting until September to play this. If September hits and the game gets patched and is phenomenol then I may either pick it up off of ebay of rent it again but Im certainly not going to hold onto it until then on a prayer that its fixed.

# 48 Anti Honor @ 07/26/08 12:43 AM

If the patch actually does include the slider fix, and actually WORKS, I'll wait until Sept.

# 49 The Chef @ 07/26/08 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Anti Honor


	If the patch actually does include the slider fix, and actually WORKS, I'll wait until Sept.

Kind of a goofy statement, you wont know until September if its really going to fix anything anyways. So I guess you are willing to sit on it for 2 months, and thats fine but that statement kind of threw me for a loop.

# 50 TheGamingChef @ 07/26/08 01:10 AM

With all of these people complaining that pass rush wasn't mentioned...

If the patch has a slider fix, wouldn't you be able to turn down Pass Block and improve the pass rush?

# 51 Anti Honor @ 07/26/08 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pimping219


	Kind of a goofy statement, you wont know until September if its really going to fix anything anyways. So I guess you are willing to sit on it for 2 months, and thats fine but that statement kind of threw me for a loop.

I'm tired, so allow me to rephrase it - If the second patch actually does include a fix to the sliders, I'll wait until Sept. Of course, I won't know until then, if it actually fixes anything, but it's a start.

# 52 The Chef @ 07/26/08 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Anti Honor


	I'm tired, so allow me to rephrase it - If the second patch actually does include a fix to the sliders, I'll wait until Sept. Of course, I won't know until then, if it actually fixes anything, but it's a start.

I figured thats what you meant, just giving you a hard time is all.

# 53 AuburnAlumni @ 07/26/08 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by stewaat


	Well I'll be optimist about the pass rush... If sliders finally work then won't Break Block work? Wouldn't you think that would lead to more pressure/sacks? Actually who the **** am I kidding?

Fix the sliders how?

That's the thing..everyone is getting all excited over "sliders being fixed".

I assume this means...Have the CPU sliders work instead of having the Human Sliders AFFECT BOTH Human and CPU.

That's all well and good..but answer me this......

Right now, if you put Human Break Block at 100 and Human Pass Block at 0, are both you and the CPU's Defensive line busting through every single play in 2 seconds?

No?

Then what's the freaking point of having sliders if I put Pass Block at ZERO as in....NONE and I put Break Block at 100 ...as in MAXIMUM....and still don't see a damn bit of difference. My line still blocks like the Denver Broncos and my Defensive line still looks like a bunch of Pee Wee leaguers.

So....if Sliders being "Fixed" means simply having the CPU sliders do the same thing as what the Human sliders are doing right now ...then no..it won't make a bit of difference.

But hey, maybe they'll make the sliders waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more potent? We'll see soon enough.

# 54 NC State-31 UNC-27 @ 07/26/08 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by AuburnAlumni


	Fix the sliders how? That's the thing..everyone is getting all excited over "sliders being fixed". I assume this means...Have the CPU sliders work instead of having the Human Sliders AFFECT BOTH Human and CPU. That's all well and good..but answer me this...... Right now, if you put Human Break Block at 100 and Human Pass Block at 0, are both you and the CPU's Defensive line busting through every single play in 2 seconds? No? Then what's the freaking point of having sliders if I put Pass Block at ZERO as in....NONE and I put Break Block at 100 ...as in MAXIMUM....and still don't see a damn bit of difference. My line still blocks like the Denver Broncos and my Defensive line still looks like a bunch of Pee Wee leaguers. So....if Sliders being "Fixed" means simply having the CPU sliders do the same thing as what the Human sliders are doing right now ...then no..it won't make a bit of difference. But hey, maybe they'll make the sliders waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more potent? We'll see soon enough.

I have pass blocking at 25 and I get sacked all the time. My OLine is average and I stay in the pocket waiting on my receivers and they get to me probably 3 or 4 times a game.

Making the human pass rush more potent will cause more problems than it fixes IMO. I envision lots of dumb throws from the CPU and pick 6's and a game that is too easy.

If the sliders are fixed so that the HUM and CPU sliders effect only their own attributes, I think we'll have a great game. Personally I already love the game, but I think the one area that could be fixed is to make the CPU QB non-superhuman. They never miss the open man. That would be an easier and more safe of a "fix" than changing pass rush IMO.

# 55 AuburnAlumni @ 07/26/08 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by NC State-31 UNC-27


	I have pass blocking at 25 and I get sacked all the time. My OLine is average and I stay in the pocket waiting on my receivers and they get to me probably 3 or 4 times a game. Making the human pass rush more potent will cause more problems than it fixes IMO. I envision lots of dumb throws from the CPU and pick 6's and a game that is too easy. If the sliders are fixed so that the HUM and CPU sliders effect only their own attributes, I think we'll have a great game. Personally I already love the game, but I think the one area that could be fixed is to make the CPU QB non-superhuman. They never miss the open man. That would be an easier and more safe of a "fix" than changing pass rush IMO.

In my opinion....you could not be more wrong.

A broken pass rush KILLS this game. Kills it. I cannot play a college football game where LITERALLY, you never have to worry about pressure.

Unless you are a ********, thumbless monkey, you will find an open man with the amount of time that folks have to pass in this game, REGARDLESS of team or player ratings.

If you don't have a pass rush...a REAL pass rush, you cannot have a top notch defense. That is football 101. And that doesn't mean 15 sacks a game. For the love of god quit thinking that pass rush means 15 sacks a game . It simply means, great Defensive linemen can penetrate offensive lines, disrupt plays, and FORCE THE QB to make QUICKER DECISIONS. This shouldn't be a hard concept to grasp.

The idea that creating an effective pass rush would "create more problems" is flat out absurd.

# 56 Crimsontide27 @ 07/26/08 02:25 AM

While I certainly share the same sentiments of many of the other posters, Im not really counting on a magical patch to fix anything at all.

They have 1 year, each and every year to do things and yet they cant do it right, what makes any of us think than in a matter of a couple of weeks to a month that they can get it right.

Many of the problems we see in the game are major issues that Im not too sure can be patched. Even if we get the pass rush bumped up a few notches, with the way the CPU QB plays when under pressure, I fear a ton of pick 6s will be in our future.

Its time for Tiburon to step down from making NCAA and give it to someone else to give it a try, this next gen football is an embarresment. We will still be here complaining about the same crap each and every year, nothing will change.

# 57 erivera7 @ 07/26/08 03:43 AM

Well, I finished up my rental of NCAA '09 and I'm not really missing it. I'll be curious to see if the patch #2 actually does something. I'm naturally pessimistic just because I've been led to become that way given EA's inability to make a complete college football game on next-gen.

The fact that pass rush wasn't mentioned at all is damn disturbing, given the fact that a TON of people are screaming bloody murder over it. Oh well, if they want an overly offensive-happy game, then tell us the consumers that you don't want a pass rush. I rather hear that than be led to believe they're actually addressing the pass rush problem. Just tell me the truth, I don't care if it ends up not being what I want.

Oh, AA, btw ... you should put your explanation of what a pass rush is within your signature, that way you can help some people out that don't get it.

# 58 joerob @ 07/26/08 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AuburnAlumni


	In my opinion....you could not be more wrong. A broken pass rush KILLS this game. Kills it. I cannot play a college football game where LITERALLY, you never have to worry about pressure. Unless you are a ******, thumbless monkey, you will find an open man with the amount of time that folks have to pass in this game, REGARDLESS of team or player ratings. If you don't have a pass rush...a REAL pass rush, you cannot have a top notch defense. That is football 101. And that doesn't mean 15 sacks a game. For the love of god quit thinking that pass rush means 15 sacks a game** . It simply means, great Defensive linemen can penetrate offensive lines, disrupt plays, and FORCE THE QB to make QUICKER DECISIONS. This shouldn't be a hard concept to grasp. The idea that creating an effective pass rush would "create more problems" is flat out absurd.

Well hopefully with them fixing the sliders you can adjust it so the defense gets pressure but not a lot of sacks

# 59 DrUrsus @ 07/26/08 04:12 AM

OMT didn't seem to believe there was a pass rush problem, and thought that sliders would fix it.
The OL/DL play is fundamentally broken and sliders won't fix it. However, I still want fixed sliders to help with other areas and to tweak the game to my playing ability.

# 60 Quint75 @ 07/26/08 04:42 AM

Something else that won't be patched and really hurts the game is the ineffective running by the CPU QBs. If I play against Tebow or Pat White, they should run amok. Instead, they dance around behind the line and never tuck the ball in take off. They are way too hesitant. It looks like they are simply looking for someone to pitch to the whole time. This makes playing against teams that use the spread completely unrealistic. And as I said, this ain't gonna be fixed in the patch. Complete bummer. Ruins any sense of realism when you play against these teams.

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