The Brett Favre Saga

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by Scottdau

I look at it like this Road. And I mean this big time. I used to be like you with Brett. I used to say "you trust your arm to much, just make the safe play. " Then I said "you would win more Super Bowl if you did that." But the last 3 years I changed my mind on that. Why? Because if he changed you probably wanted have a chance to get to the Super Bowl. Because a lot of time those chances he takes did work. I watched enough games to see that first hand. That is Brett's game and if you changed that you would not have the same QB! So therefore you would proably not even make the playoffs. At least that is the way I see it.

Scott, I can only go on past experiences in the playoffs. I can't and won't get into seasonal play. It's a whole different atmosphere playoffs vs season.

When Favre had Holmgren for a coach, Holgren would hold Favre accountable for throwing those Int's. After Holmgren left, Favre was the coach and he started to dictate things.

All I know Scott, is those chances didn't work in the playoffs over the past decade. Brett plays and is paid by the Minnesota Vikings, not the other way around. It's not his game, it's up to the coaches to tell him his job is on the line if he throws an Int in a playoff game.

There are other QB's in past history that didn't take the chances Brett does and their teams make the playoffs and win SB's.

How many QB's in past history were in the SB's that were gunslingers? Not very many, wouldn't you agree?

So, based on those percentages, do you still agree that a QB like Favre has a better chance of getting you to the SB vs other QB's that don't take chances like Favre?

Based on his past playoffs performances, I would want someone like Rodgers on my team vs Brett.

I didn't feel that way before, but I do now.

[mvb34]

Quote: Originally Posted by Scottdau

To be honest Road I have been a Vikings fan since I was 5 years old. So if they go to a Super Bowl I want it to be a slam dunk Super Bowl. Where they win for sure. I don't think the Vikings would beat Manning, so I am happy they didn't go. I do not want the vikings to be the only team to lose 5 Super Bowls. And that is what would have happen in my opinion if they played the Colts. Manning is just too good. So I am OK with them not going. I would have supported them if they go, but still I am OK with it. About Brett if he didn't throw though TD's and move those chains we would not be talking about the INT. He kept us in the game and he did all he could to help us win. Sure it was a bad decision, but when you are trying to get into FG range you take those chances. So it is apart of the game. I still blame Brad for some very bad calls at the end and his time management at the end. But what can you do.

Come on Dude, there is no such thing as a slam dunk Superbowl win..

[hatisback]

I havent cycled through these threads but I am going to rant anyway, no offense to anybody........

1) So what if Brett Favre retires and unretires? Some other players do it too but you don't see the fanbase in an uproar about it. Junior Seau has retired more times than Brett has, Testaverde did too.

2) So what if Brett Favre plays for the Vikings? Other players have done it and the fanbase doesnt get in an uproar about it. Drew Bledsoe to Bills anyone? Fiedler to Jets? Alot of players go to their division rivals. LaVar Arrington, Antonio Pierce, Aaron Stecker, Warrick Dunn......need I go on?

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by hatisback

I havent cycled through these threads but I am going to rant anyway, no offense to anybody........ 1) So what if Brett Favre retires and unretires? Some other players do it too but you don't see the fanbase in an uproar about it. Junior Seau has retired more times than Brett has, Testaverde did too. 2) So what if Brett Favre plays for the Vikings? Other players have done it and the fanbase doesnt get in an uproar about it. Drew Bledsoe to Bills anyone? Fiedler to Jets? Alot of players go to their division rivals. LaVar Arrington, Antonio Pierce, Aaron Stecker, Warrick Dunn......need I go on?

Yeah, yeah please do, did any of those players lead their team to a SB victory at one time and then cross the state line to go their rival? Are any of those individuals on the same playing field as Favre? Need I go on?

Since you haven't been keeping up, I feel Brett should play as long as he wants. He should dictate when his career is over, not some team.

I do have a problem with him playing for the Bears, Lions or Vikes. It didn't matter he went to the Jets last year with me.

If you have issues on that, have at it.

[Cebby]

Quote: Originally Posted by hatisback

I havent cycled through these threads but I am going to rant anyway, no offense to anybody........ 1) So what if Brett Favre retires and unretires? Some other players do it too but you don't see the fanbase in an uproar about it. Junior Seau has retired more times than Brett has, Testaverde did too. 2) So what if Brett Favre plays for the Vikings? Other players have done it and the fanbase doesnt get in an uproar about it. Drew Bledsoe to Bills anyone? Fiedler to Jets? Alot of players go to their division rivals. LaVar Arrington, Antonio Pierce, Aaron Stecker, Warrick Dunn......need I go on?

1. The "retires and unretires" has been with how Favre handles the situation. Retiring and coming back as a starter a week before the season starts is poor handling of the situation, especially when he expects to be handed the job (as was the case in Green Bay). I don't remember Vinny retiring, and Seau retired after being cut and then got a call a year later to play for the best team in the NFL. Plus, there's a huge difference between an old injured linebacker or a back up quarterback and a legitimate Pro Bowl caliber quarterback.

2. As far as I know, all of those players were cut by their original teams. If Favre wanted to start in 2008 and 2009 for the Packers, it was well within his power to do so by not retiring after the 2007 season.

[Scottdau]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

Scott, I can only go on past experiences in the playoffs. I can't and won't get into seasonal play. It's a whole different atmosphere playoffs vs season. When Favre had Holmgren for a coach, Holgren would hold Favre accountable for throwing those Int's. After Holmgren left, Favre was the coach and he started to dictate things. All I know Scott, is those chances didn't work in the playoffs over the past decade. Brett plays and is paid by the Minnesota Vikings, not the other way around. It's not his game, it's up to the coaches to tell him his job is on the line if he throws an Int in a playoff game. There are other QB's in past history that didn't take the chances Brett does and their teams make the playoffs and win SB's. How many QB's in past history were in the SB's that were gunslingers? Not very many, wouldn't you agree? So, based on those percentages, do you still agree that a QB like Favre has a better chance of getting you to the SB vs other QB's that don't take chances like Favre? Based on his past playoffs performances, I would want someone like Rodgers on my team vs Brett. I didn't feel that way before, but I do now.

It is all good, I still disagree though.

[Bellsprout]

Quote: Originally Posted by hatisback

I havent cycled through these threads but I am going to rant anyway, no offense to anybody........ 1) So what if Brett Favre retires and unretires? Some other players do it too but you don't see the fanbase in an uproar about it. Junior Seau has retired more times than Brett has, Testaverde did too. 2) So what if Brett Favre plays for the Vikings? Other players have done it and the fanbase doesnt get in an uproar about it. Drew Bledsoe to Bills anyone? Fiedler to Jets? Alot of players go to their division rivals. LaVar Arrington, Antonio Pierce, Aaron Stecker, Warrick Dunn......need I go on?

You're really comparing Jay Fiedler's situation to Brett Favre?

Brett Favre was absolutely beloved in Wisconsin. We, as fans, gave to his charity, supported him when his dad died, supported him when his wife had breast cancer, and then he turns around and smacks us in the face by going to play for our rival just because he's pissed at one guy.

Comparing Fiedler, or Bledsoe, or any of them to the Favre situation is absurd.

[Scottdau]

Quote: Originally Posted by WeAreAllWitnesses

You're really comparing Jay Fiedler's situation to Brett Favre? Brett Favre was absolutely beloved in Wisconsin. We, as fans, gave to his charity, supported him when his dad died, supported him when his wife had breast cancer, and then he turns around and smacks us in the face by going to play for our rival just because he's pissed at one guy. Comparing Fiedler, or Bledsoe, or any of them to the Favre situation is absurd.

Why did you guys support him? Sounds like you both got a lot out of this relationship, but at the end of the day it is still a business. Which sucks for us fans. Because just like the children in messy divorce, we suffer most!