NBA Live 13 Gameplay Video - Miami Heat vs. Oklahoma City Thunder

[Boilerbuzz]

Quote: Originally Posted by Thunder Storm

People keep saying that they should have built upon Live 10. You guys are missing one OBVIOUS "reason" why that wouldn't be possible. This "reason" was not just contingent to the success of Live 10, HE WAS THE #1 COGNITIVE PIECE and because of his absence they had to start over from scratch because they didn't know what they were doing without him. Thus the birth of Elite 11, which would later go on to become the wake of NBA Live. This Live 13 footage is just the viewing for the body before its buried.

Not accurate. First, if you know anything about the EA working culture, they never leave themselves that dependent on any one individual. Secondly, the plans for Elite were in motion BEFORE that person left EAC. For all we know, it could have been the reason he left in the first place.

[bigeastbumrush]

Quote: Originally Posted by Crimsontide27

Im going to be very cautious with what I say here as I value my paychecks. Having said that, this was not a pre-alpha build and was actually in fact what was planned to be released as a demo. The reason this video was not released is because of what exactly happened here, the game just isnt good and the backlash gets all the negative attention. When the game was actually shown at other venues, the response was the same from people inside and outside of the industry. It was during a recent showing that the idea of actually not releasing the title at all and skipping another year was thrown around. The people that are actively involved in making the game truly feel like it was a superior product and worthy of release, but thats because they basically built the game from the ground up...yet again, and feel a huge accomplishment just getting everything running correctly. I wont get into technical speak, but instead of taking a foundation and trying to improve on it year after year, they try to reinvent the wheel and start fresh each time....which is very time consuming. The only thing I can think of right now to compare it to would be like being giving a task to dig a ditch. You could go out and bust your tail digging with a spoon and work harder than you ever have and accomplish nothing...but your coworker grabs a bulldozer and completes the project with no hard work...just using their head. The way you can tell that the video you are not seeing is "pre-alpha" is by the font in the menus, the colors were wrong actually on the Thunder if I remember correctly , the entire presentation package is in etc....this was actually a build that was further along than the one shown at the recent conventions and shows...and I do believe some community guys got an opportunity to see it , but had to sign confidentiality agreements. What hurts the most is when you work very hard to make something, and then everyone tears it down. Morale around EA is not very high right now. You have people being moved from project to project...you have some being relocated to different studios in different cities, you have knowledge that some franchises are actually slated to be cut out completely , you have the knowledge that the company is actually being shopped out and has a potential buyer in the background , you dont know if you are going to be employed this time next year...etc ..etc...etc... Some may say its the nature of the turf, but the decsions that are made are not made by the majority of the rank and file employee, its by upper management that has no clue about how and why people play games....its about the bottom line. Cut costs as much as possible, release as little as an upgrade as possible, and release it and just count profit is their motto. I mentioned in a post a long time ago about a meeting about MLB The Show. Probably one of the best represented sports titles to date, but yet has declining sales every year. The game is so good, that many dont buy the next years iteration....and thats the mentality at EA....dont release a product that has very little faults, as it wont sell the next year. Why do you think youve not seen many PC releases of sports titles? Their are arm chair devs out there that will spend their time for free to update those titles and keep them ahead of what is being released. What you are seeing now is the decline of a video game giant that is being run by people that only care about the bottom line ...WHILE they are there, and nothing more. They are not looking at it as a long term venture, more like....."I plan on retiring in 5 years, so lets make as much profit as possible...and worry about damage to our brands later, since I wont be here to deal with it" Or at least thats the mentality. Its a small industry, many people know others outside their own studios and as such rumors run about. You have PopCap, that was recently bought for $1billion and produced some great titles, but now employees are on the chopping block...you have Westwood studios that has lost people left and right, you have Origin and Maxis losing people....and the big elephant in the room was Bioware.....who have lost almost half their staff. The people losing their jobs are not the ones that make descions, its the worker bees who just do what they are told. After several key people left from another prominent team left and formed their own company not too long ago, others took notice. They can get their independent freedom back by making tablet games and avoid the corporate atmosphere where they are dogged daily by their consumers. Bad decsions after bad decsions have left a void where great people used to work, its a changed enviroment and recently quality has reflected that.

Thank you for your honesty and your post.

Many of the vets here have been putting 2 + 2 together and coming to similar conclusions about what is going on.

I definitely appreciate you giving insight into whats going on behind the scenes.

The videogame industry is going through what so many other businesses are going through and the greed at the top is taking passion out of the end product.

It is a complete shame but it is a sign of the times.

Thanks again!

[Iadf]

thats turrrible kenny......turrible

[Thunder Storm]

Me and my bro almost got into a fight because I was showing him this on Youtube and he wouldn't believe me that it was Live 13 lol.

He thought it was one of those fan made videos were people update the rosters of old games.

[jwtucker710]

I have a hard time believing that is a LIVE 13 demo. Looks more like PSP. Look how polished NHL and FIFA are this year. Look at the new Infinity Engine for Madden ... a lot new stuff and innovation going on and you're telling me they would release that for LIVE 13 -- a game they have had a year and a half to work on? Something doesn't add up. I think EA is waiting until Madden is released and then share actual footage of LIVE 13.

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Quote: Originally Posted by bigeastbumrush

Thank you for your honesty and your post. Many of the vets here have been putting 2 + 2 together and coming to similar conclusions about what is going on. I definitely appreciate you giving insight into whats going on behind the scenes. The videogame industry is going through what so many other businesses are going through and the greed at the top is taking passion out of the end product. It is a complete shame but it is a sign of the times. Thanks again!

Welcome to corporate america

No matter what industry this happensAnd has been happening, and in the sense of common sense....it never seems to add up. They aren't looking at what you want plain and simple





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[Sirlonius]

Money or not I'm sure the people at EA see the issues we see in the vid and have been working towards fixing them. I look forward to a final product.

Seems like they listened to the community and built it off Live 10 and not Elite which is great.

[Thunder Storm]

Quote: Originally Posted by StankonYa

At this point I don't see why EA won't just put out a full fledged arcade style game. Make it fun. Make it appear to look like a sim from a casual fans perspective. It would be nice if EA expanded and improved upon Live 07's control scheme IMO.

BINGO !

They have completely failed in the true sim aspect of basketball throughout this entire gen. BUT what they're experts at is arcade style basketball (NBA Street series, NBA Live 07).

They need to bring back the X-Factor power ups ... ya know "scorer, stopper, shooter, high flyer" that they had in the PS2 and 360 versions of Live 07. Also bring back the NBA Live 05 Dynasty Mode features.

Go full arcade style, they're good at that. That way we can have 2K for true sim and Live for fun, like the good old days.