Sim vs Cheese - Lets debate

[ManiacMatt1782]

Quote: Originally Posted by P Shirls

I hear what u saying....but its too many people out there playing that offball defense....if ur opponent is clearly playing onball d and not doing anything cheesy offensively and u still playing offball defense, imo ur using a crutch and makes the game unfair to the dude playing onball defense cause ur ability to stop the offensive player is harder to do than it is for the cpu....that's why I don't respect dudes who play offballl unless dude they playing is a cheeseball I see no excuse to play offball other than being scared to get scored on.... People overall are just scared to give up points so they do anything to make it impossible....but ppl tend to forget that if EVERYBODY played onball defense, it would be a more level playing field cause both players have the same disadvantages thus making the competition more equal and fair...but this is assuming both players don't have a cheesy offense

Don't get me wrong, I still think it should be onball defense most of the time. But 100% onball defense is handicapping yourself out of some defensive plays where you mentally read the play, but the CPU player didn't.

[jmarcguy]

This is the problem playing sports games online. Many don't attempt to play the game as it would be played in reality. They play video game bbal or football or whatever. I used to play Fight Night & can't count how many fights because someone knew how to exploit some glitch. It's just tough to find people who try to emulate proper strategy online.

[iceberg760]

Quote: Originally Posted by Knighttime24

That wasn't this guy's experience, so what I said stands.

yeah, i'm thinking it was wrong for me to put that example as cheesing (as it is not) ~ it was more of "irritation"....like wearing my little brothers shoes...

[Setfree1012]

Wouldn't it just come down to playing how you see teams play IRL. Example (I do not own 2K12), but I've played them all through 2K11, as a Bulls fan since the 80's (in my mid 20's) I play with Chicago, exclusively.

I've talked to several league members where rules limit how many points you can score in the paint based on pct. of your total points scored, and more rules etc.

As a Bulls fan our biggest asset is Rose's ability to penetrate, now if I'm playing a user who can't keep me out the paint for layups, or pick and rolls where we finish in the paint why should I stop IF, that's what they're giving me defensively? Is that considered cheesing?

Same coin, if they shut down penetration by sagging and I keep Korver, Deng, and Bogans spotting up for open looks why would I stop doing that if it's working?

I say this as I play offline only, or vs a couple friends, no leagues and I've avoided online play due to bad experiences.

[GodzSoulja]

ive played in two leagues that are cheese and sim, i'd have to say i luv the sim league because ppl get their teams involved vs a chesse league where they try to score every time with their star.

[GodzSoulja]

i mean if they let u go to paint then by all mean keep scoring but i dont like when ppl exploit the game's issues.

[P Shirls]

Quote: Originally Posted by ManiacMatt1782

Don't get me wrong, I still think it should be onball defense most of the time. But 100% onball defense is handicapping yourself out of some defensive plays where you mentally read the play, but the CPU player didn't.

That's my point.....sometimes u will play great defense but still get scored on or someone will successfully run a play on you and I agree with u that the cpu might not read a random play.....the problem truly arises when u realize that by playing onball d this will happen every so often, but ur opponent decides to play offball and mess up the equal playing field....that opponent refuses to take the same risks u as the onball defender are taking which gives the offball defender the upper hand....that's when u question the integrity of the offball defensive player...esp if he clearly sees that u are tryna guard the ballhandler urself and not wimp out n let the cpu do it for u....

I just feel anybody who beats me with that offball defense ain't really better than me unless they beat me playing a mans game, but that don't really matter to ppl who only care about getting the win at any cost

[ManiacMatt1782]

I hear you. Really the only time I go off ball is when I am guarding the ball handler, and I recognise a play usually using guys running off an off ball screen for a quick 3. If I see that I will icon switch as the guy is running so I can be in position to disrupt the shot or if I am early enough, jump the pass.