NBA 2K11 at E3: The Death of Isomotion

[Muzyk23]

Quote: Originally Posted by reptilexcq

Please bring back the speed of NBA 2K7....I been saying this since NBA2K8 came out, the game is never the same without the speed of NBA 2k7. It is just not realistic. I don't care if you want to make it a sim but can't you speed up the game and still make it a sim??? All you did was slow down the game but that ain't fun. The developers have never attempted to do what i suggested which is maintain the speed of NBA2k7 and make it a sim. If you can do that...it will be a PERFECT GAME!! NBA2k7 is so responsive and you feel like you're in control of the player and do what you want it to do. You just feel in total control of the game and not some gimmick due to lack of response or delay in commands like they did with the previous versions. I always say that if they come out with 2K7.5, it WILL SELL!!

absolutely agree

the best way to see how responsive 2k7 was is to pop it in right after a game of 2k10

[BigDaneAyMane]

Be careful what you wish for. As we know, the grass ain't always greener and though I've been converted to 2K since NBA 2K6, I would switch back to EA in a heartbeat if the gameplay is better, Jordan cover or not. The gameplay needed tweaking, not wholesale changes. The technical issues are really where 2K10 is an epic fail.

[Closure]

I really hope shotstick isn't going anywhere, pleasee keep it the way it is

[Lawless66007]

"I'm glad Isomotion is gone and I want to play with the dribble moves on the right stick"

Translation:

"I want to play NBA Elite with 2K's graphics!"



Ya'll never took the time to even learn it? It sounds like a bunch of people that were just run and gun and just wanted to drive and shoot and got tired of people always using it on them. Nor took the time to figure out how to stop it. I'm tired of games being dumbed down because people are too lazy to actually learn the game. Yeah 2K has mad issues but atleast learn things and adapt to the game instead of crying about things that aren't glitches. Next thing you know people are gonna be crying about crossovers and hop-step back shots because they can't defend them.

[bearschicago]

I didn't mind Isomotion at all. If you watch Chris Smoove videos, he can pull of sick isomotion moves in his sleep. It just takes practice.

Hopefully pulling off moves won't be so easy that a dummy can do it...

[SacKings1999]

Quote: Originally Posted by reptilexcq

Please bring back the speed of NBA 2K7....I been saying this since NBA2K8 came out, the game is never the same without the speed of NBA 2k7. It is just not realistic. I don't care if you want to make it a sim but can't you speed up the game and still make it a sim??? All you did was slow down the game but that ain't fun. The developers have never attempted to do what i suggested which is maintain the speed of NBA2k7 and make it a sim. If you can do that...it will be a PERFECT GAME!! NBA2k7 is so responsive and you feel like you're in control of the player and do what you want it to do. You just feel in total control of the game and not some gimmick due to lack of response or delay in commands like they did with the previous versions. I always say that if they come out with 2K7.5, it WILL SELL!!

I couldn't agree more!

That's my biggest gripe, that too many players think that a fast game = not sim. Have you guys seen the NBA or a college game lately? If we're going for a simulation of real life than the game needs to be greatly sped up. Basketball is the most fluid of all sports, and a sense of speed (haha, almost like in Racing games) is 100% missing from 2k10.

Also, I really don't understand the "but Isomotion was hard enough that you had to learn it, if they make it easier, like Live's, then casual players will be able to pick it up, push one button, and perform dribble moves" line of thinking.

Guys, IsoMotion wasn't hard, just unintuitive. You hold L and R, or different combos, and you move the LS in a circle, semi-circle, etc... Anyone who has ever played video games before can learn it in 10 seconds. So difficulty clearly is not the problem. The problem is how laggy, unresponsive, scripted, prolonged, delayed (insert your pejorative term of choice) the system was.

As many have said... the IsoMotion of 2k7 was great, and it didn't use Live's system... so just get back to responsive controls and we'll all be happy campers .

I really feel that 2k7 was the peak of controls, and 2k's primary concerns with 2k8-2k10 was to make the game more "sim" by taking control out of the player's hands. We all want sim, but this is not the answer.

[Da_Czar]

Quote: Originally Posted by SacKings1999

I couldn't agree more! That's my biggest gripe, that too many players think that a fast game = not sim. As many have said... the IsoMotion of 2k7 was great, and it didn't use Live's system... so just get back to responsive controls and we'll all be happy campers . I really feel that 2k7 was the peak of controls, and 2k's primary concerns with 2k8-2k10 was to make the game more "sim" by taking control out of the player's hands. We all want sim, but this is not the answer.

What up Sac Kings I agree and disagree with some of your logic and I think we may actually be more on the same page than not....

While I agree the responsiveness in 2k7 was desirable, The players themselves had absolutely no weight to them at all and that caused players to move at unrealistic speeds. Since that time a sense of momentum can add the feeling of weight and I think games need that to have a shot at replicating the sport of basketball.

Sometimes people have the impression that the nba is some constant track meet with guys flying up and down the floor with no regard for gravity and momentum that is just not the case.

So I think there is a middle ground between responsiveness and momentum and gravity... 2k9 and 2k10 can't really even be in the discussion because both those games suffer from player movement issues unrelated to the control scheme because there was a lot of unintended movement in those game which was the issue. As opposed to just the control scheme itself IMO.

I also disagree with your premise that they took away control to make the game more sim. That to me is faulty. No one took control on purpose to do anything especially make it more sim. Lack of control would be the opposite of a simulation to me...

I still play 2k7 and it is very unrealistic because you can stop on a dime and proceed forward at unrealistic speeds.

I can take anyone in here into any gym and yell out commands and there will always be a delay between when I say crossover when your brain says to do it and when it is executed. ESPECIALLY depending on where the ball is in relation to your hand and the floor. But in a game we expect instantaneous action regardless of where the ball is or our body position. Maybe that makes for a great video game but that delay is what makes moves like hesitations so effective and gives great ballhandlers the ability to read the defense and make a decision. Otherwise your just guessing.


So just my opinion of course but I think the best solution is the most responsiveness we can have minus any player control issues with the addition of realistic momentum will yield a ballhandling system that is fun realistic and physically accurate.

[jeebs9]

Quote: Originally Posted by Da_Czar

What up Sac Kings I agree and disagree with some of your logic and I think we may actually be more on the same page than not.... While I agree the responsiveness in 2k7 was desirable, The players themselves had absolutely no weight to them at all and that caused players to move at unrealistic speeds. Since that time a sense of momentum can add the feeling of weight and I think games need that to have a shot at replicating the sport of basketball. Sometimes people have the impression that the nba is some constant track meet with guys flying up and down the floor with no regard for gravity and momentum that is just not the case. So I think there is a middle ground between responsiveness and momentum and gravity... 2k9 and 2k10 can't really even be in the discussion because both those games suffer from player movement issues unrelated to the control scheme because there was a lot of unintended movement in those game which was the issue. As opposed to just the control scheme itself IMO. I also disagree with your premise that they took away control to make the game more sim. That to me is faulty. No one took control on purpose to do anything especially make it more sim. Lack of control would be the opposite of a simulation to me... I still play 2k7 and it is very unrealistic because you can stop on a dime and proceed forward at unrealistic speeds. I can take anyone in here into any gym and yell out commands and there will always be a delay between when I say crossover when your brain says to do it and when it is executed. ESPECIALLY depending on where the ball is in relation to your hand and the floor. But in a game we expect instantaneous action regardless of where the ball is or our body position. Maybe that makes for a great video game but that delay is what makes moves like hesitations so effective and gives great ballhandlers the ability to read the defense and make a decision. Otherwise your just guessing. So just my opinion of course but I think the best solution is the most responsiveness we can have minus any player control issues with the addition of realistic momentum will yield a ballhandling system that is fun realistic and physically accurate.

OFT

SOMEONE WHO FINAL is THINKING LIKE ME!!!!!!! I thought I was crazy for a moment there.