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SCEA Bans Many Players for Using Exploits in MLB The Show 16

01:07 PM - June 28, 2016 by RaychelSnr

If you've been on Twitter lately, you've no doubt been seeing Ramone Russell answer fans inquiries about why they were banned over the past couple of days.

Over the weekend, Ramone also posted in the SCEA Forums reiterating that breaking the rules and standards of the community could result in a console and PSN ID being banned.

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	"If a player is found cheating, exploiting, harassing other players, or breaking the rules in game or here on The Show Nation forums, we will suspend the account for a limited time or even permanently ban the ID and console. This isn't new and we've always been on the lookout for these types of players, but it's important to remind the community of the potential consequences that may await players if they decide to travel down the dark path."

Also of note via TheShowNation (Victor_SDS)

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	There was an exploit related to cancelling transactions on the marketplace. If someone took advantage of this exploit egregiously, their ID would have been flagged and banned. Flipping cards on the market is not an offense. Buying and quick selling is not an offense. It had more process than just cancelling an order.

A number of players were banned in the past few days according to Ramone's Twitter Feed:

"We banned a number of users who exploited community market transactions. Bans will not be reversed, fyi flipping cards IS NOT an exploit.

Flipping cards doesn't get you banned, we encourage flipped cards, flipping cards is good for everyone."

Several users were quick to claim innocence but it appears Russell came armed with info, telling at least one user they were in the top 1% of offenders of the glitch. In fact, the SCEA investigation into the matter was three weeks long and involved multiple runs and checks of the same data.

This was a bold move by SCEA to protect the online gaming experience for many MLB The Show users. While bans are nothing new in the online gaming world, it does appear SCEA has taken some pretty dramatic steps in order to safeguard the online experience for gamers. While some of the bans are permanent, others are temporary and will last anywhere from days to weeks to months.

What do you think of the bans? Was SCEA right? Is this a good move?

UPDATE (6-30): via Twitter

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	We hear your concerns. This is very important to us. We are looking into it. We thank you for your patience. More to come soon.

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# 141 cardinalbird5 @ 06/29/16 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ShowTyme15


	This was sad and funny. Guy tried to call Ramone out and Ramone got him back. Guy did the exploit 41 times and got over 3 million stubs and had the audacity to ask what he did wrong. LOL the hilarity. Dude even said "Ramone I challenge you to tell what I did wrong."

I know that guy and he did nothing wrong. He is a disabled that plays the market a ton. He is actually going thru depression apparently. I know most probably wont believe him but we will see. Either way this has gotten out of hand.

Alot of misinformed ppl in here but thats ok....easy to criticize ppl n these situations. Alot of people are missing the point though. Noone is defending anyone who blatantly cheated the system. I am defending guys that were falsely flagged for whatever reason. I dont care what numbers their queries are spitting out...we all know sds made errors in the past.

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# 142 redsox4evur @ 06/29/16 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Of The Year


	Wait, Sony claims to have fixed the exploit WEEKS ago, but it can still be exploited? That doesn't add up.

What happened was Sony fixed the exploit 2 weeks ago or whenever it was. And between the fixing of the exploit and the release of the mass bans 2 days ago they were looking at their data, checking it 3 times, to see who they were going to ban. So all these people were able to continue playing for X amount time before they got banned.

# 143 ShowTyme15 @ 06/29/16 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cardinalbird5


	I know that guy and he did nothing wrong. He is a disabled that plays the market a ton. He is actually going thru depression apparently. I know most probably wont believe him but we will see. Either way this has gotten out of hand. Alot of misinformed ppl in here but thats ok....easy to criticize ppl n these situations. Alot of people are missing the point though. Noone is defending anyone who blatantly cheated the system. I am defending guys that were falsely flagged for whatever reason. I dont care what numbers their queries are spitting out...we all know sds made errors in the past. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yeah clearly he did nothing wrong. According to Twitter you know a lot of banned users. Get over it man you guys got caught so cut the crap.

# 144 Ghost Of The Year @ 06/29/16 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by extremeskins04


	Touche. You can't accidentally trigger this 30+ or 40+ times, get 3 million stubs and be like "i challenge you to tell me what I did wrong". Um, no.

So you believe 100% of those banned were done so deservedly. From what I have seen in this thread, they have banned at least 1% wrongly. And that 1% is 100% too much.

# 145 extremeskins04 @ 06/29/16 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cardinalbird5


	I know that guy and he did nothing wrong. He is a disabled that plays the market a ton. He is actually going thru depression apparently. I know most probably wont believe him but we will see. Either way this has gotten out of hand. Alot of misinformed ppl in here but thats ok....easy to criticize ppl n these situations. Alot of people are missing the point though. Noone is defending anyone who blatantly cheated the system. I am defending guys that were falsely flagged for whatever reason. I dont care what numbers their queries are spitting out...we all know sds made errors in the past. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Dude he did it 41 times for 3 million stubs! You're going to tell me that he didn't know what he was doing?

Come on...please...just stop. lol

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Originally Posted by Ghost Of The Year


	So you believe 100% of those banned were done so deservedly. From what I have seen in this thread, they have banned at least 1% wrongly. And that 1% is 100% too much.

Yes the ones that did it 30+ times were banned deservedly.

# 146 kehlis @ 06/29/16 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Of The Year


	Wait, Sony claims to have fixed the exploit WEEKS ago, but it can still be exploited? That doesn't add up. People ARE idiots. Sony has said doing this a few times is acceptable. I'm positive the great majorty deserved banning. But it sounds like Sony threw the baby out with the bath water & banned some people that didn't deserve it. Sony gives me stubs all the time, I don't know if it's intentional or not. I don't even have a clue exactly how many I have. I have no intention of using them. If Sony wants them back, they are welcome to climb into my ps4 & get them. But I'm not wasting my time keeping up with what stubs I think are legit mine, and then wasting more time on top of that tracking down what I think has wrongly been given to me. I would rather Sony just do away with all this stub businiess. It's a shame I can't just play baseball without having to worry about Sony beancounter **** up.

It cannot still be exploited.

# 147 brainundead @ 06/29/16 05:35 PM

The cardinal youtuber mentioned the thing that got my attention and has me thinking.

I've never used their website or another device. I did everything market related on the console.

What I would do sometimes is, I'd put up 20 Atlanta players at a time, then I'd go and surf the internet after pushing the PS button, and let the game run in the background. I'd come back after 20 minutes and if nothing sold I'd take them all down and put up another team. Repeat. Is that the behavior that got flagged? I was making stubs while doing other things.

I kept videos at the end of April that show my 3 weeks long hot streak. I also kept a list of diamonds I pulled since day one.

I put 100 or 200 dollars (The visual evidence from the videos was that it may have been only 100) on my account and bought stubs in late April.

Date, Player, Stubs in the right top corner
4/27: Bryce Harper. Stubs:324.
4/27: Manny Machado. Stubs:Forgot to write it down. Had 4 20s waiting to be opened. I must have sold the Harper for 100k.
4/29: Bryce Harper. Stubs:477.
4/30: Diamond Bat + David Robertson. Stubs:78,771. Must have sold that Harper and decided to open packs 1 bundle at a time.
4/30 Diamond Equipment (Black Nike Cylinder, I can't even get into the game and check) Stubs: 139. I have 3 20s waiting. Obviously I bought 4 20s.
4/30 McCutchen. Stubs:5,398. I pulled another McCutchen around the same time but didn't keep the video. I sold them the same day a few weeks later.
5/1 Votto. Stubs: 306
5/5 Bryce Harper 99 Stubs: 11,903
5/5 or 5/9 I can't read my writing. Kenley Jansen. Stubs:1,585
5/11 89 Tulo. Stubs:14,723. 4 20s waiting to be opened. I must have sold the 5/5 Harper.
5/11 Paul Goldschmidt. Stubs: 81
5/11 Diamond Shoes. Stubs:2,987 1 20 left.
5/12 91 Andrew Miller. Stubs:3,038
5/12 Max Scherzer. Stubs:590
5/12 Gold Fowler, Lorenzo Cain. Stubs:48
5/12 Giancarlo Stanton. Stubs:1,601
5/13 Tulo 89 Stubs:128
5/18 Chris Sale. Stubs:2,145
5/19 Buster Posey. Stubs:1,132
5/20 Diamond Key. Stubs:154
5/21 Diamond Bat. Stubs:484
5/25 91 Matt Harvey. Stubs:15.

A $100 investment gave me all that. That's at least 600,000 stubs worth of cards. 1 full month of enjoyable mindless pack openings. I may be the first player ever banned because of pack luck.

Since that run ended at the end of May I haven't gotten much of
anything. I put another 100 on my account and sold most of those cards. I got nothing. The house took it all back. My sellable diamonds left are a Bryce Harper and Buster Posey.

Every good card I got came from pack openings. $600 in 4 months isn't going to make me poor or them rich. I never cheated anybody and didn't deserve getting banned.

# 148 Ghost Of The Year @ 06/29/16 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by extremeskins04


	Yes the ones that did it 30+ times were banned deservedly.

Fair enough

I take it you you are saying 100% of the bans are justified.

# 149 extremeskins04 @ 06/29/16 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Of The Year


	Fair enough I take it you you are saying 100% of the bans are justified.

I'm confused as to why what I said was funny.

100% of the bans from those that exploited this 30+ times are justified yes. No where did I say that everyone that got banned deserved it because that's impossible for me to justify.

But those that did it 30+ times was no accident.

# 150 Jason_19 @ 06/29/16 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ShowTyme15


	Yeah clearly he did nothing wrong. According to Twitter you know a lot of banned users. Get over it man you guys got caught so cut the crap.

I'm pretty sure that CardinalBird wasn't even banned.

I can kind of understand lumping everyone together because that can be so easy to do, but at the same time that mindset is still mind-boggling.

I didn't get caught doing anything because I never once knowingly did anything. I know that means absolutely nothing, but anyone who knows me can vouch for my character and integrity. Seeing so many people blindly make blanket statements about everyone caught is difficult.

As a long time roster creator (going back to the early Triple Play days, the somewhat early Madden days and the early NCAA Football days), even though I no longer post like I used to, why would I be coming here to draw attention to myself? I know there are a lot of answers to that though.

Seeing some people who I thought I was cool with and who I thought respected me lump everyone together and to accuse them of knowingly cheating is a little hurtful. If that sounds weird to some them that is what that is. I try not be be prideful, but I do take my character/integrity (even honor) seriously. I don't even really see anyone here anymore that I actually know pretty well or even really well, but that's besides the point though.

The fact that I have been banned is actually kind of a good thing for me because I was spending way too much time trying to build my team by buying and selling.

If I accidentally did whatever that's showing I did then I don't see how the amounts were anything that I should have noticed except for in the case of one time where I was thinking I had like 45,000 stubs and then logged on and saw that I had like 70 or 75,000 stubs. I didn't think anything of that because I hadn't been online in a while (from what I can remember) and I just thought I remembered that incorrectly because I literally place and cancel probably 40 or 50 bids at a minimum a day. Sometimes, I could see that amount being in the hundreds. With me almost always having somewhere in the range of 40 or 50,000 stubs to around 90,000 (sometimes in the 100,000 range) seeing numbers in that range for my total is typical.

As for bid totals, I will literally sit there for like 15 or 20 minutes sometimes in a bidding war with someone to try to get cards with large large price gaps as cheap as I can. There are some days where I can do that a few times. That's besides all of the other cards that I place bids on and then cancel.

Besides all of the bids that I place and then cancel in trying to flip cards, I'm really stingy with my stubbs, so I'll commonly cancel a page of orders for 2-6 tokens if I'm outbid by a single dollar because I don't want to wait for that one card to sell before people can begin quick selling that card/player to me.

For the record, those players are for feeding my created character and not for hoarding them to resell. I only hoard like 4 or 5 players (Saunders, Duvall, Neris, Polanco, Desmond and maybe a couple of others). When Polanco and Desmond went to around 1,000, I began selling them.

# 151 Ghost Of The Year @ 06/29/16 05:56 PM

I wasn't lol'ing at what you said. I was lol'ing at me agreeing with you.

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Originally Posted by extremeskins04


	I'm confused as to why what I said was funny. 100% of the bans from those that exploited this 30+ times are justified yes. No where did I say that everyone that got banned deserved it because that's impossible for me to justify. But those that did it 30+ times was no accident.

Now see, this is Sony's whole problem. We know MOST people got what they deserved.
But since they don't know who deserved it, the right thing to do was to fix it so it can no longer be done. The right thing to do is fire the people that keep putting stuff in the Show that doesn't work. The right the to do is not wrongly banning some people so that you are sure you are banning SOME of the correct offenders. If this were a bank robbery, & Sony were the police, there way of handling it would be to arrest the robbers and anyone else that happened to be in the bank at the same time. I think me & you are finally on the same page of agreement that there are a few bans that are impossible to justify. Yet Sony decided to ban them anyway, for their incompetence. And that is a sad day for the Show.

# 152 GamecocksLaw17 @ 06/29/16 05:57 PM

Reading this thread is like reading a press release from a player that gets popped for PEDs. "I didn't knowingly do anything wrong."

The people who did something wrong need to take responsibility and accept their penalty.

# 153 Jason_19 @ 06/29/16 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GamecocksLaw17


	Reading this thread is like reading a press release from a player that gets popped for PEDs. "I didn't knowingly do anything wrong." The people who did something wrong need to take responsibility and accept their penalty.

I'm not going to sit back quietly for something that I wasn't aware of doing.

Edit: To clarify and for the record, I have emailed SCEA and messaged people at SCEA.

# 154 GamecocksLaw17 @ 06/29/16 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason_19


	I'm not going to sit back quietly for something that I wasn't aware of doing.

Then don't sit back. Say whatever you want. But don't act surprised when I don't believe that. Don't act surprised when people are cynical

# 155 Jason_19 @ 06/29/16 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GamecocksLaw17


	Then don't sit back. Say whatever you want. But don't act surprised when I don't believe that. Don't act surprised when people are cynical

I'm not really surprised, though. Edit: Well, I guess I am at some people. I'm more disappointed (overall) than anything I guess.

# 156 Ghost Of The Year @ 06/29/16 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GamecocksLaw17


	Reading this thread is like reading a press release from a player that gets popped for PEDs. "I didn't knowingly do anything wrong." The people who did something wrong need to take responsibility and accept their penalty.

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Originally Posted by GamecocksLaw17


	Then don't sit back. Say whatever you want. But don't act surprised when I don't believe that. Don't act surprised when people are cynical

You can believe Sony got all the bannings right.
You can beliver Sony got some of the bannings right.
But you cannot believe both.

If you are reasonable, you will realize Sony ****** up in some of their bannings.

# 157 countryboy @ 06/29/16 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Of The Year


	People ARE idiots. Sony has said doing this a few times is acceptable. I'm positive the great majorty deserved banning. But it sounds like Sony threw the baby out with the bath water & banned some people that didn't deserve it.

Who said they didn't deserve it? The people that got banned? Of course you're going to have those who got banned say they didn't deserve it and offer up the excuse that they unknowingly did this exploit. Of course you are. Everyone that gets caught is innocent in their own mind.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe that SDS just willy nilly started banning people just for the sake of banning.

# 158 GamecocksLaw17 @ 06/29/16 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Of The Year


	You can believe Sony got all the bannings right. You can beliver Sony got some of the bannings right. But you cannot believe both. If you are reasonable, you will realize Sony ****** up in some of their bannings.

Maybe we read things differently but I believe my direct word choice was "The people who did something wrong need to take responsibility and accept their penalty."

I believe that means that some people did NOTHING wrong. But have we seen even 1 person own up to their lying/cheating/fraud/theft?

# 159 SmashMan @ 06/29/16 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Of The Year


	If you are reasonable, you will realize Sony ***** up in some of their bannings.*

There is no way to know this at this point. It's possible that some people unintentionally stumbled into the exploit and got popped for it, but that doesn't make the bans themselves illegitimate.

How likely that is will only be known when Sony returns some emails and word leaks out about what the exploit was.

# 160 redsox4evur @ 06/29/16 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by countryboy


	Who said they didn't deserve it? The people that got banned? Of course you're going to have those who got banned say they didn't deserve it and offer up the excuse that they unknowingly did this exploit. Of course you are. Everyone that gets caught is innocent in their own mind. I'm sorry, but I don't believe that SDS just willy nilly started banning people just for the sake of banning.

They didn't willy nilly ban people. Like I said earlier they took the time between the patch to fix the exploit and the day of the mass banning to review every case multiple times. So if you got banned there a good chance you did something.

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