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NBA Live 16 Player Ratings - Top 6 Point Guards

12:50 PM - September 8, 2015 by Steve_OS

EA Sports has released NBA Live 16 player ratings for the top 6 point guards in the game. Give em' a look and let us know what you think.

Chris Paul (Overall - 95) - Pass Accuracy (96), Court Vision (94), Dribble (92), Long Range (93)
Russell Westbrook (Overall - 94) - Speed (98), Strength (75), Dunk (90), Score with Contact (89), Draw Fouls (89), On-Ball Defense (86)
Steph Curry (Overall - 94) - Long Range (98), Clutch Shooting (95), Contested Shot (91)
Kyrie Irving (Overall - 90) - Long Range (93), Mid-Range (89), Close Range (90), Contested Shot (90), Dribble (93)
John Wall (Overall - 90) - Speed (97), Vertical (91), Off the Dribble Shot (93), Dunk (89)
Damian Lillard (Overall - 90) - Clutch (85), Contested Shot (90)

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# 41 Playmakers @ 09/08/15 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The 24th Letter


	Wasn't the goal of Synergy to "remove subjectivity from player ratings"? I'm a bit confused if we're supposed to disregard it... I'm all for letting the way they play on the court speak for itself (even though the track record in that area isn't glowing for this series.) but no I'm not sure I understand what Synergy is actually doing at this point... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I posted two links about Synergy in the other thread....

One is from Live 09 the other is from Live 15 and you'll see even though they tell us Synergy is the driving force behind gameplay.....we can clearly see it's not this tool that they hyped up it to be years ago and even to this day.

They need to scrap it and just give us Player Tendency Ratings to edit....

I'd say 80% of the things Synergy is suppose to do in Live it doesn't do or do it right.

And ask your self if the game tracks Synergy then why on Earth every year out of the box players don't perform with Synergy traits carried over from the previous NBA season?

We get generic gameplay out of the box when Synergy tendencies should be carried over and loaded right from the start.

That is what everyone needs to look for when they drop this DEMO.....

To see if players are performing based on their DNA/Tendencies from the previous year.....

IF not I gurantee you someone will defend EA and say we should wait til they load the DATA after 2-3 weeks of season play LOL!

# 42 Vic Viper @ 09/08/15 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Playmakers


	I posted two links about Synergy in the other thread.... One is from Live 09 the other is from Live 15 and you'll see even though they tell us Synergy is the driving force behind gameplay.....we can clearly see it's not this tool that they hyped up it to be years ago and even to this day. They need to scrap it and just give us Player Tendency Ratings to edit.... I'd say 80% of the things Synergy is suppose to do in Live it doesn't do or do it right. And ask your self if the game tracks Synergy then why on Earth every year out of the box players don't perform with Synergy traits carried over from the previous NBA season? We get generic gameplay out of the box when Synergy tendencies should be carried over and loaded right from the start. That is what everyone needs to look for when they drop this DEMO..... To see if players are performing based on their DNA/Tendencies from the previous year..... IF not I gurantee you someone will defend EA and say we should wait til they load the DATA after 2-3 weeks of season play LOL!

Tendency > Synergy (I completely agree)

I don't know why they keep shoving that synergy stuff down our throats. Just give us player tendencies from previous year and we will be fine with that. You can update tendencies every month. It's not needed on a daily basis.

Also, these ratings and synergy are two of many reasons why people want roster editing. It comes in handy when ratings seem bogus or unnecessary. When you lack signatures, everyone having the same jump shot, teams not moving at all and every team playing the same, that debunks whatever you were trying to sell me with synergy. I want to be like D. Rose does that in real life, where he takes more 3's and long 2's rather than go for mid range or attacking the rim. I want to see Kyrie with last minute scoop layup on a big. I want to see LeBron go to his left hand, pull and miss more so than he would with his right. That would be synergy. I haven't seen synergy yet.

# 43 thesniper321 @ 09/09/15 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Playmakers


	Personally I don't think the ratings should be the focal point.... They can give all of them 99 ratings it doesn't matter to me until I actually see the ratings mean something when the CPU AI is playing Every year Chris Paul is rated 90+ in passing and really high in stealing yet every year I have the same complaints about him he is generic on the floor when you watch the Clippers play. All this nit picking about a guy being 90 instead of 88 overall and we loose focus in these ratings as to what those actual ratings should mean for the players on the court when we play against them and EA has yet to live up to the billing when it comes to this IMO. I'll be impressed if I fire up Live 16 and leave D.Jordan wide open and the AI Chris Paul recognizes that he's open for up top alley oop on my A$$ making me afraid of his 90+ passing ability and court vision I'm guessing they will release these ratings up to release date but i'd caution you not guys not to get too carried away with one guy being rated higher than another guy especially if it turns out at the end of the day they are just numbers being assigned that have no IMPACT on the actual gameplay unless we are playing head to head and controlling the players ourselves for the most part.

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# 44 mrprice33 @ 09/09/15 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bo.jangles344


	What is this "contested 91" crap? I understand it is very difficult to shoot 40% and higher in the nba and you have to take into account a lot of those are contested but i highly doubt he came anywhere close to hitting 91% of his contested shots. Now, let's say you're giving contested shots an overall probability of hitting somewhere in the low 20% for the entire league average of contested shots, maybe I'll go for him having a 91% of that 20%. But get out of here with that contested rating all together.

That's not how that works.

The contested shot rating relates to the penalty for shooting a contested shot ie if you have a 91 contested shot rating your penalty for shooting a contested shot is less than someone else who has a 61.

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# 45 2_headedmonster @ 09/09/15 03:26 PM

westbrook 90 dunk?

# 46 Basketball Nate @ 09/09/15 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 2_headedmonster


	westbrook 90 dunk?

You'd be satisfied if it was in the 60's instead?

# 47 ybtherockstar @ 09/09/15 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 2_headedmonster


	westbrook 90 dunk?

He should have a 90 dunk. Or at least close to a 90. He's the best dunking PG, the NBA has ever seen, at least in the last decade.

# 48 dasunsrule32 @ 09/09/15 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ybtherockstar


	He should have a 90 dunk. Or at least close to a 90. He's the best dunking PG, the NBA has ever seen, at least in the last decade.

I haven't seen a great dunking point guard like that, in his frame and build, since Kevin Johnson.

You could say Anfernee Hardaway, but he was 6'7".

# 49 2_headedmonster @ 09/09/15 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Basketball Nate


	You'd be satisfied if it was in the 60's instead?

the man wasnt even top 50 in the number of dunks last season....Gordon Hayward and Ben McLemore dunked more than him.

# 50 Basketball Nate @ 09/09/15 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 2_headedmonster


	the man wasnt even top 50 in the number of dunks last season....Gordon Hayward and Ben McLemore dunked more than him.

Does that mean that Gordon Hayward is the better dunker then? Cause I refuse to believe that just going off the eye test of each others dunks. People wanna see Russell in the dunk contest, I can't say the same for Gordon Hayward.

# 51 2_headedmonster @ 09/09/15 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Basketball Nate


	Does that mean that Gordon Hayward is the better dunker then? Cause I refuse to believe that just going off the eye test of each others dunks. People wanna see Russell in the dunk contest, I can't say the same for Gordon Hayward.

if a high dunk rating only symbolized style, then i could get behind this sentiment. However....

# 52 WTF @ 09/09/15 04:30 PM

The higher the rating, the better dunk packages they can have assigned. It's not the likelihood that they'll dunk, it's "how" they'll dunk it.

# 53 Basketball Nate @ 09/09/15 04:30 PM

If the rating wasn't based on style the man wouldn't have a 90 dunk rating bruh. The write up said he's the best at his position in that category, to me you can either give that rating to him or John Wall, both players bring explosiveness to the point guard position and Wall already won a dunk contest before.

# 54 mrprice33 @ 09/09/15 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 2_headedmonster


	the man wasnt even top 50 in the number of dunks last season....Gordon Hayward and Ben McLemore dunked more than him.

Westbrook played in 67 games and attempted 54 dunks (.81 per game)

Hayward played in 76 games and attempted 50 dunks. (.66 per game)

McLemore played in 82 games and attempted 66 dunks. (.80 per game)

So, even if your stat made sense as it relates to the rating (which it doesn't), it's also wrong. So, yeah.

# 55 2_headedmonster @ 09/09/15 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WTF


	The higher the rating, the better dunk packages they can have assigned. It's not the likelihood that they'll dunk, it's "how" they'll dunk it.

Ok, thats interesting. I still find it hard to believe that a 90 rating has NOTHING to do with frequency. That would be a first.

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Originally Posted by mrprice33


	Westbrook played in 67 games and attempted 54 dunks (.81 per game) Hayward played in 76 games and attempted 50 dunks. (.66 per game) McLemore played in 82 games and attempted 66 dunks. (.80 per game) So, even if your stat made sense as it relates to the rating (which it doesn't), it's also wrong. So, yeah.

Ok, the variable of games played means he still averages less than a dunk a game. So if 0.81 dunks per game = 90 that would imply a percentage point is worth 1.1 rating points and Deandre Jordan deserves a dunk rating of 337.

If you wanted to dq Jordan because most of his dunks they aren't off the dribble then Lebron would deserve a dunk rating of 102.

so yeah....

All that said, i'm going to take WTF at his word to a degree since he has inside insight, and see how it plays out.

# 56 mrprice33 @ 09/09/15 05:59 PM

The dunk rating has absolutely no relation to how many dunks per game a player actually attempted. Otherwise Jeremy Evans would have a rating of 0.

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# 57 2_headedmonster @ 09/09/15 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mrprice33


	The dunk rating has absolutely no relation to how many dunks per game a player actually attempted. Otherwise Jeremy Evans would have a rating of 0. [emoji106] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

reminding me to take games played into account when considering a person's dunks per game, but using an example that obviously excludes a players minutes per game?

personally i think dunks per game should be the ultimate barometer unless the dunk rating is broken down by situation (driving dunk, standing dunk, fast break dunk, alley-oop dunk).

but according to WTF they have a unique way of handling it, so im willing to give it a fair shot.

# 58 mrprice33 @ 09/09/15 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 2_headedmonster


	reminding me to take games played into account when considering a person's dunks per game, but using an example that obviously excludes a players minutes per game? personally i think dunks per game should be the ultimate barometer unless the dunk rating is broken down by situation (driving dunk, standing dunk, fast break dunk, alley-oop dunk). but according to WTF they have a unique way of handling it, so im willing to give it a fair shot.

No, what I was telling you is that simply counting how many dunks Westbrook had without taking into account how many games he played is an erroneous way of determining how often he actually dunks. I was also telling you that dunks per game has NOTHING to do with a player's ability to dunk, which is where the Jeremy Evans reference came from. There are players who never play who can dunk so much better than any NBA player, because it's their only actual NBA skill. Evans was one such guy.

No basketball game ever has used dunks per game as a way to determine its dunk rating, because the two have no correlation to each other. 2K doesn't do it this way, Live doesn't do it this way, Inside Drive didn't do it this way, NBA The Life didn't do it this way, etc etc etc. It's not a "unique" way to handle the rating, it's the industry standard, and the only way that makes a lick of sense.

# 59 scottyp180 @ 09/09/15 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 2_headedmonster


	reminding me to take games played into account when considering a person's dunks per game, but using an example that obviously excludes a players minutes per game? personally i think dunks per game should be the ultimate barometer unless the dunk rating is broken down by situation (driving dunk, standing dunk, fast break dunk, alley-oop dunk). but according to WTF they have a unique way of handling it, so im willing to give it a fair shot.

To base it just off dunks per game just makes no sense. Ability to dunk has nothing to do with frequency. Players like Deandre Jordan and Griffin will get more opportunities to dunk because of their position and players they play with so obviously they'll dunk more than a PG, even if he is the best dunking PG in the game. A player like Gerald Green isnt going to average many dunks per game but that doesn't mean he's not one of the best dunkers in the league. Likewise a player like Yao Ming could probably average multiple dunks per game but that doesn't make him a good dunker. The guy can practically dunk on his tippy toes.

To me you can tell how good of a dunker a player is by the dunks they make. Westbrook dunks with such explosiveness and power, as well as a bit of finesse, that is rarely seen from a player his size. Just watching a few of his in game dunks and it is evident the guy is a great dunker.

# 60 stillfeelme @ 09/09/15 11:37 PM

Yeah Westbrook is probably one of the best dunkers for the PG position. That dude in transition is just crazy.

His dunk in traffic tendency if there is such a thing should be about the highest for any PG. He actually had a couple posters too.

http://on.nba.com/1JXmfNE

All his dunks last year.

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