NBA Live 16 Player Ratings - Top 6 Point Guards

[Basketball Nate]

If the rating wasn't based on style the man wouldn't have a 90 dunk rating bruh. The write up said he's the best at his position in that category, to me you can either give that rating to him or John Wall, both players bring explosiveness to the point guard position and Wall already won a dunk contest before.

[mrprice33]

Quote: Originally Posted by 2_headedmonster

the man wasnt even top 50 in the number of dunks last season....Gordon Hayward and Ben McLemore dunked more than him.

Westbrook played in 67 games and attempted 54 dunks (.81 per game)

Hayward played in 76 games and attempted 50 dunks. (.66 per game)

McLemore played in 82 games and attempted 66 dunks. (.80 per game)

So, even if your stat made sense as it relates to the rating (which it doesn't), it's also wrong. So, yeah.

[2_headedmonster]

Quote: Originally Posted by WTF

The higher the rating, the better dunk packages they can have assigned. It's not the likelihood that they'll dunk, it's "how" they'll dunk it.

Ok, thats interesting. I still find it hard to believe that a 90 rating has NOTHING to do with frequency. That would be a first.

Quote: Originally Posted by mrprice33

Westbrook played in 67 games and attempted 54 dunks (.81 per game) Hayward played in 76 games and attempted 50 dunks. (.66 per game) McLemore played in 82 games and attempted 66 dunks. (.80 per game) So, even if your stat made sense as it relates to the rating (which it doesn't), it's also wrong. So, yeah.

Ok, the variable of games played means he still averages less than a dunk a game. So if 0.81 dunks per game = 90 that would imply a percentage point is worth 1.1 rating points and Deandre Jordan deserves a dunk rating of 337.

If you wanted to dq Jordan because most of his dunks they aren't off the dribble then Lebron would deserve a dunk rating of 102.

so yeah....

All that said, i'm going to take WTF at his word to a degree since he has inside insight, and see how it plays out.

[mrprice33]

The dunk rating has absolutely no relation to how many dunks per game a player actually attempted. Otherwise Jeremy Evans would have a rating of 0.




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[2_headedmonster]

Quote: Originally Posted by mrprice33

The dunk rating has absolutely no relation to how many dunks per game a player actually attempted. Otherwise Jeremy Evans would have a rating of 0. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

reminding me to take games played into account when considering a person's dunks per game, but using an example that obviously excludes a players minutes per game?

personally i think dunks per game should be the ultimate barometer unless the dunk rating is broken down by situation (driving dunk, standing dunk, fast break dunk, alley-oop dunk).

but according to WTF they have a unique way of handling it, so im willing to give it a fair shot.

[mrprice33]

Quote: Originally Posted by 2_headedmonster

reminding me to take games played into account when considering a person's dunks per game, but using an example that obviously excludes a players minutes per game? personally i think dunks per game should be the ultimate barometer unless the dunk rating is broken down by situation (driving dunk, standing dunk, fast break dunk, alley-oop dunk). but according to WTF they have a unique way of handling it, so im willing to give it a fair shot.

No, what I was telling you is that simply counting how many dunks Westbrook had without taking into account how many games he played is an erroneous way of determining how often he actually dunks. I was also telling you that dunks per game has NOTHING to do with a player's ability to dunk, which is where the Jeremy Evans reference came from. There are players who never play who can dunk so much better than any NBA player, because it's their only actual NBA skill. Evans was one such guy.

No basketball game ever has used dunks per game as a way to determine its dunk rating, because the two have no correlation to each other. 2K doesn't do it this way, Live doesn't do it this way, Inside Drive didn't do it this way, NBA The Life didn't do it this way, etc etc etc. It's not a "unique" way to handle the rating, it's the industry standard, and the only way that makes a lick of sense.

[scottyp180]

Quote: Originally Posted by 2_headedmonster

reminding me to take games played into account when considering a person's dunks per game, but using an example that obviously excludes a players minutes per game? personally i think dunks per game should be the ultimate barometer unless the dunk rating is broken down by situation (driving dunk, standing dunk, fast break dunk, alley-oop dunk). but according to WTF they have a unique way of handling it, so im willing to give it a fair shot.

To base it just off dunks per game just makes no sense. Ability to dunk has nothing to do with frequency. Players like Deandre Jordan and Griffin will get more opportunities to dunk because of their position and players they play with so obviously they'll dunk more than a PG, even if he is the best dunking PG in the game. A player like Gerald Green isnt going to average many dunks per game but that doesn't mean he's not one of the best dunkers in the league. Likewise a player like Yao Ming could probably average multiple dunks per game but that doesn't make him a good dunker. The guy can practically dunk on his tippy toes.

To me you can tell how good of a dunker a player is by the dunks they make. Westbrook dunks with such explosiveness and power, as well as a bit of finesse, that is rarely seen from a player his size. Just watching a few of his in game dunks and it is evident the guy is a great dunker.

[stillfeelme]

Yeah Westbrook is probably one of the best dunkers for the PG position. That dude in transition is just crazy.

His dunk in traffic tendency if there is such a thing should be about the highest for any PG. He actually had a couple posters too.

http://on.nba.com/1JXmfNE

All his dunks last year.