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If NBA Live Has a Future, It Has to Look Radically Different

01:53 PM - December 6, 2013 by RaychelSnr

EA Sports had a clear opening opening with NBA Live 14, and they didn’t even realize it.

NBA 2K14 fumbled its launch about as much as 2K Sports could manage, which is to say — there are still some problems, a few of which are quite serious which consumers are facing, but the game is largely quite good.

Connectivity issues, save file issues with MyCAREER, crashes, and some old legacy gameplay issues are hampering the product at this point. A patch has fixed some issues, but many remain it appears.

In all reality, there is a lot you can find wrong with NBA 2K14 if you look hard enough.

And despite the wasted opportunity this year, it's now clear there have been key areas of mismanagement which plague the NBA Live series, and until each is fixed individually, this series has no future.

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# 121 kennyacid @ 12/10/13 03:48 AM

live will never be complete because ea keeps knocking down the bricks during construction. Never gonna get anywhere by doing that. I hope next game they just built on what they have now. Most of it is under the hood but it's a start.

# 122 DogWillHunt @ 12/10/13 06:36 AM

I play on the Xbox One and there has definitely been improvement with graphics and performance, beginning about 3 or 4 days ago.

When I bought the game, Joakim Noah looked like a pasty ninja from a PS2 game. He now looks passable. I can imagine they did this with quite a few players.

I can also say that performance has improved as the low baseline camera no longer chugs as much as it did in the release.

I can also confidently say that they have been adding animations here and there. The passing / catching is not nearly as terrible as it was on release. There seems to be more block / rebound / jump animations as well. It's still not nearly enough, but it's apparent to me anyhow.

The lighting has also been tweaked a bit. It seems like the 'volume' has been dialed up a bit on the ambient occlusion and the reflected light from the court onto the players' jersey. (Try looking at a replay of a white jersey and watch what happens when the player is on top of a colorful logo or something.)

Now, don't quote me on this, but I also think that the baked wrinkles in the jerseys have been redesigned. It no longer brings back horrors of NBA Elite 11, anyways.

Now, that said, graphically, it is still not passable IMO. Fifa is a passable looking Next Gen title... barely. NBA Live needs to, at the very least, achieve something to that standard.

'Under the hood', this is the best basketball game I have ever played. I'm actually fairly decent at it because I know the game of basketball, not because I know the video game ala 2K.

The problem is that I can't play it for very long because it looks so awful.

The Player Models need to be redone entirely, IMO.

# 123 Boilerbuzz @ 12/10/13 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DogWillHunt


	'Under the hood', this is the best basketball game I have ever played. I'm actually fairly decent at it because I know the game of basketball, not because I know the video game ala 2K. The problem is that I can't play it for very long because it looks so awful.

First sign that the thread is dying: the parrots come out.

# 124 ifitbeginsitends @ 12/10/13 10:22 AM

I have been playing the game since release, I must say this is a really good BASKETBALL game! the game is getting better and better! substance-wise its there. it is too much to write but I really really really like this game. it always seems fresh too. I have been playing the rising star season and its strange because I swear its like every team has a scouting report and a plan... the A.I is looking to attack weaknesses and if you run a play really well they try to take it away. and you can't really cheese too much. except in the post. its like the defender gets stuck when the offensive opponent spins.. like pulling the chair should be more responsive. the live team should be commended for being so brave... they took a chance by taking the game off of rails... it doesn't feel scripted at all... I haven't been able to say that about the compitetion

# 125 shutdown10 @ 12/10/13 12:35 PM

I'm just glad that we have other review websites and other social media to let EA know that this is not going to cut it anymore. Lets just say I'm happy this is not the only place EA will get feedback from, because the game would never improve looking at the comments this past week. We cannot let them off the hook for this effort. My friend bought this game around Launch, and he got tired of it so he tried to trade it in yesterday, and was only offered 13 dollars from Gamestop. That lets you know this game has a very poor demand in the market. I suggest to all you guys who bought the game to hold on to your copies, because you will not even get 15 dollars credit for it if you try to trade it in now. EA needs to lower the price for this game because that is robbery on the trade in price.

# 126 ifitbeginsitends @ 12/10/13 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by shutdown10


	I'm just glad that we have other review websites and other social media to let EA know that this is not going to cut it anymore. Lets just say I'm happy this is not the only place EA will get feedback from, because the game would never improve looking at the comments this past week. We cannot let them off the hook for this effort. My friend bought this game around Launch, and he got tired of it so he tried to trade it in yesterday, and was only offered 13 dollars from Gamestop. That lets you know this game has a very poor demand in the market. I suggest to all you guys who bought the game to hold on to your copies, because you will not even get 15 dollars credit for it if you try to trade it in now. EA needs to lower the price for this game because that is robbery on the trade in price.

just curious, have you played the game yourself? like more then 5 or 6 games played? based on the type of comment this is, it sounds like your posting based on other peoples feedback, and your very own rule of thumb. 2 things that can't be taken seriously

# 127 shutdown10 @ 12/10/13 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ifitbeginsitends


	just curious, have you played the game yourself? like more then 5 or 6 games played? based on the type of comment this is, it sounds like your posting based on other peoples feedback, and your very own rule of thumb. 2 things that can't be taken seriously

I played the game a total of about 9 or 10 times. I downloaded the demo for PS4 and played that, but got to play the full enchilada a few times with my friend who tried to trade the game in yesterday and was only offered 13 bucks by Gamestop. I would not be in this forum making these comments if I never played the game. I don't care if you take my comment serious or not. The masses will not let EA off the hook anymore with this poor effort, and I'm excited for that because they will have to actually try this time.

# 128 ProfessaPackMan @ 12/10/13 01:54 PM

There is a lot of STRONG hyperbole going on in this thread, especially in the last few pages LOL.

"Seeing stuff hasn't been seen in NBA games in the last 10 years"? Alright now, we can tone it down a bit there.

And what's up with all the "Have you played this game more than (insert number)times?" comments?

# 129 shutdown10 @ 12/10/13 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfessaPackMan


	There is a lot of STRONG hyperbole going on in this thread, especially in the last few pages LOL. "Seeing stuff hasn't been seen in NBA games in the last 10 years"? Alright now, we can tone it down a bit there. And what's up with all the "Have you played this game more than (insert number)times?" comments?

If NBA live 14 was that immerse, then it would not have a trade in value of 13 bucks at Gamestop. The game has not even been out a month yet and the price has been cut shy below 50 bucks if you trade it in. I know Gamestop are thieves, but I blame EA for that one. I don't understand where these how many times you played this game comments are coming from, because most people in this forum have played the game already. I'm not going to let EA off the hook with my experiences with this game.

# 130 RangersCruz @ 12/10/13 03:09 PM

Im waiting for that patch if the graphics are improved to be at least decent for next gen i will pick it up for sure

# 131 WTF @ 12/10/13 03:39 PM

I'll stand behind my "hyperbole" statement.

# 132 mythreesons @ 12/10/13 04:04 PM

The bottom line is that Live's graphics are horrendous. That along with terrible animations make it fail miserably as a basketball "Sim".

Designers would be better suited to remake/re-market it like the Golf game that's presently on the market (PowerStar Golf I believe). Get some cartoonish looking features and go for it. I seriously mean this, because the AI of the game is not half bad.

Its attempt at reproducing "REAL" basketball however, is a total fail. They have not captured even the most simplistic elements of basketball, i.e., the jumpshot and the layup... and just forget signature styles!

I can't get into it because the animations are so poor. On a scale of 1-10 the player likeness may be a 6 or 7, but the animations - seriously - are at the 3 or 4 level.

WTF, I see some of the things you spoke of, the game has promise, but for the reasons I mentioned above it's a LOOONNNG way from offering viable competition.

# 133 blackceasar @ 12/10/13 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by WTF


	Brian OS has no affiliation with OS. And Phreak50, may want to calm it down a bit. Lol. Regardless of the outcome, right now, some of us have had our decisions made for us. 24th's daughter broke his 2k disc, and 2k glitches and errors broke my experience. Once you learn the game, it does get better. I am taking the opportunity that I have, and hopefully going to provide some much needed community feedback to the EA team on what needs to be done. I'm sure some are thinking "shouldn't they already know what needs fixed? " In my mind, an outside opinion being constructive in their criticism will go much further than that of those who have slaved away on the project for the past 12 months. I kind of correlate it to mindlessly working on a project for hours. You've spent so much time on it, your mind is relatively numb and don't see it for what it is. Sometimes an outside look can make a world of difference. Who knows.

I agree with you, then I don't agree with you. I think some of the backlash it's getting is coming from a 30,000 foot view. I mean the game as a whole.. and I mean as a whole based off of everything that's happened with the franchise over the past 3+ years. If you're saying EA sports TRULY needs regular people like us to point out how to fix their game, then EA sports has a much bigger problem on their hands. I mean, we aren't talking about "a Live 2015 wish list" we are talking about the public having to tell them how to make a good basketball game, and in my mind, that's unacceptable.

Also... you have to look at the bigger picture when it comes to all the actions EA sports initiated over the past 2-3 years leading up to this. Its not like they put a game out last year for current gen and then started on a regular cycle for this years game. It was the act of EA scrapping their latest effort two+ years ago and THEN coming up with the public rah rah speech about they are doing this to make a much BETTER basketball game. Do you see what I'm getting at here? They got on their soapbox, did the speech and the posturing and then had TWO YEARS to work on the game that's been getting 3's and 4's out of 10 for reviews. And don't give me any mumbo jumbo about dev cycles. I don't know how they work things internally there and neither do you.. HOWEVER, it was two years ago when they made a public statement... and that's all most of us need to hear... and that's why most of us refuse to cut them slack. Were we expecting the best basketball game ever? Not at all.. but for two years off and making that statement two years ago... this game just does not measure up, not even close when you factor all those other things in...

It's one thing to have a game you bought grow on you. It's another to play it enough to convince yourself the game is "now" worth the 60.00 you shelled out for it.

# 134 El_Poopador @ 12/10/13 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by blackceasar


	I agree with you, then I don't agree with you. I think some of the backlash it's getting is coming from a 30,000 foot view. I mean the game as a whole.. and I mean as a whole based off of everything that's happened with the franchise over the past 3+ years. If you're saying EA sports TRULY needs regular people like us to point out how to fix their game, then EA sports has a much bigger problem on their hands. I mean, we aren't talking about "a Live 2015 wish list" we are talking about the public having to tell them how to make a good basketball game, and in my mind, that's unacceptable. Also... you have to look at the bigger picture when it comes to all the actions EA sports initiated over the past 2-3 years leading up to this. Its not like they put a game out last year for current gen and then started on a regular cycle for this years game. It was the act of EA scrapping their latest effort two+ years ago and THEN coming up with the public rah rah speech about they are doing this to make a much BETTER basketball game. Do you see what I'm getting at here? They got on their soapbox, did the speech and the posturing and then had TWO YEARS to work on the game that's been getting 3's and 4's out of 10 for reviews. And don't give me any mumbo jumbo about dev cycles. I don't know how they work things internally there and neither do you.. HOWEVER, it was two years ago when they made a public statement... and that's all most of us need to hear... and that's why most of us refuse to cut them slack. Were we expecting the best basketball game ever? Not at all.. but for two years off and making that statement two years ago... this game just does not measure up, not even close when you factor all those other things in... It's one thing to have a game you bought grow on you. It's another to play it enough to convince yourself the game is "now" worth the 60.00 you shelled out for it.

nba live 13 was officially canceled on 9/27/2012 so im not sure where youre getting the two years from. granted no one outside of ea knows for sure how long this team has had to work on this game but i find it hard to believe they were working on this with a new team while live 13 was still in development.

# 135 blackceasar @ 12/10/13 04:40 PM

I guess what all of this boils down to amongst the "basketball experts" The Live Fanboys, the 2k Fanboys, the people from EA signing up in secret on here to praise the game, and then the regular real OS members.... I have one question for you... do you feel EA Sports is legitmately warranted in asking for a full 59.99 for this year's title?

That's all want to know. Yes or no.

No "you just need to learn to play the game"... or "Iv'e seen this game do things I haven't seen in a basketball game in 10 years"... or EA Sucks 2k RULES!!!...

Do you think EA should charge people full price for this game.. I don't mean the "patched" version. I mean that game that people actually dropped their money on.. the game that's on the disk.. not the patches that are "in the works".. 60.00... yes or no.

It's a legitimate question seeing that not all games launch at full price... so I wanna know.

# 136 Flightwhite24 @ 12/10/13 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by shutdown10


	I'm just glad that we have other review websites and other social media to let EA know that this is not going to cut it anymore. Lets just say I'm happy this is not the only place EA will get feedback from, because the game would never improve looking at the comments this past week. We cannot let them off the hook for this effort. My friend bought this game around Launch, and he got tired of it so he tried to trade it in yesterday, and was only offered 13 dollars from Gamestop. That lets you know this game has a very poor demand in the market. I suggest to all you guys who bought the game to hold on to your copies, because you will not even get 15 dollars credit for it if you try to trade it in now. EA needs to lower the price for this game because that is robbery on the trade in price.

You need to do your research before posting/giving advice. Check BestBuys trade in. $40. If you were talking about GameStop. Then you are correct. I always check BB

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# 137 Flightwhite24 @ 12/10/13 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by blackceasar


	I guess what all of this boils down to amongst the "basketball experts" The Live Fanboys, the 2k Fanboys, the people from EA signing up in secret on here to praise the game, and then the regular real OS members.... I have one question for you... do you feel EA Sports is legitmately warranted in asking for a full 59.99 for this year's title? That's all want to know. Yes or no. No "you just need to learn to play the game"... or "Iv'e seen this game do things I haven't seen in a basketball game in 10 years"... or EA Sucks 2k RULES!!!... Do you think EA should charge people full price for this game.. I don't mean the "patched" version. I mean that game that people actually dropped their money on.. the game that's on the disk.. not the patches that are "in the works".. 60.00... yes or no. It's a legitimate question seeing that not all games launch at full price... so I wanna know.

I think it's worth it for what i look for. And that's coming from a graphics whore in myself.

I'm huge on graphics!! But this game is just plain fun. I listen to others opinions/takes on games but at the end if the day it's what I choose to do. No reviewer/OS member/Mod no matter who it is or what there opinion of the a game can make me purchase/not purchase a game. I find it VERY EASY to respect others opinions. I don't always agree but I do respect and don't try to use underlying tactics to make my OS brothers or anyone for that matter look bad

If I don't like it then so be it. I'm not gonna come on here and ask for PROOF and try to mask it in the form of I'm interested when I know damn well I'm really just trying to make the person look silly.

But to answer your question again. For me I think it's worth $60.

Also blackceasar my rant wasn't directed to you. Peace man

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# 138 WTF @ 12/10/13 05:16 PM

blackceasar, I can comment on two things. The demo that was released Day 1 without Synergy updates and without the 2 small patches, and the full retail version with those two things.

The day 1 demo, without Synergy, without the patches, no it's not near a $60 purchase.

The demo with Synergy updates, yes, I can say that it's worth a $60 purchase to me, which is why I picked it up.

Now, the game with the Updates and Bug Fixes, I can say that it's worth every bit of the $60, I wouldn't hesitate to get the game again if something were to happen with this disc.

But to say without Synergy, and without the updates that it's already received, that's not an entirely fair question, as even the PS4 needed an update to play a bluray disc based game. If you would have asked me if the PS4 was worth $399 without the Day 1 patch, then of course not,

. We're in the day and age of patches. In its current state however, I will say that Live is easily worth my $60 for what it brings to the table.

# 139 Pared @ 12/10/13 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FLIGHTWHITE


	I think it's worth it for what i look for. And that's coming from a graphics whore in myself. I'm huge on graphics!! But this game is just plain fun. I listen to others opinions/takes on games but at the end if the day it's what I choose to do. No reviewer/OS member/Mod no matter who it is or what there opinion of the a game can maker purchase/not purchase a game. I find it VERY EASY to respect others opinions. I don't always agree but I do respect and don't try to use underlying tactics to make my OS brothers or anyone for that matter look bad If I don't like it then so be it. I'm not gonna come on here and ask for PROOF and try to mask it in the form of I'm interested when I know damn well I'm really just trying to make the person look silly. But to answer your question again. For me I think it's worth $60. Also blackceasar my rant wasn't directed to you. Peace man Sent from my iPhone

Well, this obviously wasn't directed at ME.

Pretty sad. You would think for all the years here at OS, all of the different series we liked the best like Live, ID, 2K people would be more mature in this discussion.

Apparently not. Oh well - life goes on, and so do the games. There's much more to worry about than this. All I can say is that sales are dismal and there's a reason for it. When the game gets axed, only the developer will be to blame, not the people that "refused to buy it" or "just couldn't grasp just how deep it really is" or some other outlandish claim.

# 140 Flightwhite24 @ 12/10/13 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pared


	Well, this obviously wasn't directed at ME. Pretty sad. You would think for all the years here at OS, all of the different series we liked the best like Live, ID, 2K people would be more mature in this discussion. Apparently not. Oh well - life goes on, and so do the games. There's much more to worry about than this. All I can say is that sales are dismal and there's a reason for it. When the game gets axed, only the developer will be to blame, not the people that "refused to buy it" or "just couldn't grasp just how deep it really is" or some other outlandish claim.

Now you know if I had an issue with you I would have pm'd you. Of course you Mods tick me off at times but I'd rather have you around keeping myself included in order. I have crossed the line a time or 2 and I'm not perfect.

If everyone agreed on everything this would be one boring forum.

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