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Sound off: Who Should LA Surround Kobe With the Next Two Years?

05:04 PM - November 25, 2013 by RaychelSnr

Kobe Bryant signed a two year deal worth $48.5 million, which means he will remain the highest paid player in the NBA over the next two seasons. One has to figure this is LA's last chance to get in on winning an NBA Championship with Kobe as part of the mix.

Big name free agents are coming onto the market, plus plenty of second tier talent. If you were playing as the Lakers GM, would you go after a superstar like LeBron to join Kobe or would you seek to upgrade the overall talent of the team with smaller signings with the limited cap space you have going into next year?

Sound off in the comments below!

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# 61 ojandpizza @ 11/28/13 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RangersCruz


	Umm he has a lot of potential but i agree with him hes not

Are you guys even watching this season??? How many players at his position are playing better than him right now. Kevin Love is the only clear cut guy..

He's been around 20 and 10 all season long, currently at about 19 and 11.. He gets a couple assists, a couple steals, and 4 blocks per game.. He's a complete game changer. He averages less than 2 turnovers per game and is an 85% free throw shooting big man..

It's completely ridiculous to think that in 3 years, or however long it is, that he wouldn't be worthy of a max contract.. He could very well end up on the All-NBA 3rd team this year, and most definitely should be an All-Star..

And I know fantasy basketball doesn't mean much, but it does give you an understanding of how much a player contributes by combining their entire stat line on a game to game basis.... But he's been a top 5 fantasy average all season long, and at one point was as high as number 2...

Only Love, LeBron, and Chris Paul are ahead of him right now... Which means that he's above Durant, Melo, Harden, Curry, Dwight, etc.. All these guys who are statistical monsters.

Edit: also, just to add, he's not even playing 35 minutes a game! I don't know what more you could ask for from somebody that's only 20 years old.

# 62 Melbournelad @ 11/28/13 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tril


	for folks bashing my scenario of : Eric Bledsoe Kobe Bryant Carmello Anthony Anthony Davis in 2015/16-(team option) by then he'll want out. so far he isnt proven to be a max guy, and most likely wont be. and if they are still in losing mode then, the Lakers will gladly surrender draft picks-like they have always done and Brook Lopez 2015 is a free agent- and not a max guy Roy Hibbert- has a player option in 2015. Lakers have a tradition of signing dominant big men. Dwight was the exception to the rule. you do the Math. Hibbert is that great dominant defensive BIg Man LA will need. so yes I do see LA having a line up that consists of Carmello, Kobe and most likely HIbbert. That scenario is more realistic than Kevin Love, Chris Bosh going to LA In addition, Lakers have traditionally gone over the cap. why would that change. The Lakers are a money making enterprise, and that wont change. they'll gladly pay a luxury tax. IF they signed Dwight Howard that would have still been the scenario. Kobe would have still gotten the same extension.

The idea of Davis and Bledsoe is being bashed is because it is IMPOSSIBLE. Do you have any idea how the CBA works? Davis CAN NOT opt in 2015, because it is a TEAM option. And in 2016 he will be a RESTRICTED FREE AGENT. Meaning the Pelicans can match ANY offer a team has made, and if they do, Davis has to resign with them. He won't be an UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT until at least 2019, possibly 2020 or 2021 depending on how many years his extension is. Do I have to spell it out any clearer for you?

# 63 ojandpizza @ 11/28/13 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tril


	and Brook Lopez 2015 is a free agent- and not a max guy Roy Hibbert- has a player option in 2015. Lakers have a tradition of signing dominant big men. Dwight was the exception to the rule. you do the Math. Hibbert is that great dominant defensive BIg Man LA will need. .

I just don't think you realize how much teams overpay to get a good big man.. I'm sure there are teams out there right now who would give Lopez the max deal..

Also why on earth would Hibbert leave for LA? Just because the Lakers need a big man doesn't automatically mean they will all go there just because.. He currently plays for the best team in the league, a team that is still getting better.. If Paul George is still around he would have no reason to leave Indy..

I'm fairly certain he likes playing for Indiana anyways. All of those Pacer guys seem to like the team they currently have.

# 64 Melbournelad @ 11/28/13 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tril


	Eric Bledsoe and Anthony Davis arent max contract guys, and most likely wont be. they are good complimentary pieces. I dont know how contracts work, (what ever), but folks are talking about Kevin Love. Lamarcus Aldrige etc. those guys are more Max guys than Anthony Davis (at least not yet). Hibbert has a player option that year. and Brook Lopez will not be a max guy then either. especially when you have your Deandre Jordan's (team option) and Andre Drummond's (fa) becoming free agents or have the opportunity to opt out in 2015. even Marc Gasol will be a free agent that year. will they all get max contracts nope. will the Lakers gladly go over the cap and pay the luxury tax. Yup. they have always done this. this is the Lakers not OKC, Detroit, etc!!!! Lakers are a prime time money making team. and that wont change.

You seem to have no clue how the cap works. You can only go over the cap to resign your own players who have bird rights. You CANNOT go over the cap to sign new free agents (unless as an MLE etc) or to resign your own free agents after signing new players (they have to go under a cap hold at the start of free agency otherwise you forfeit their rights).

# 65 The__Answ3r_i3 @ 11/28/13 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tril


	for folks bashing my scenario of : Eric Bledsoe Kobe Bryant Carmello Anthony Anthony Davis in 2015/16-(team option) by then he'll want out. so far he isnt proven to be a max guy, and most likely wont be. and if they are still in losing mode then, the Lakers will gladly surrender draft picks-like they have always done and Brook Lopez 2015 is a free agent- and not a max guy Roy Hibbert- has a player option in 2015. Lakers have a tradition of signing dominant big men. Dwight was the exception to the rule. you do the Math. Hibbert is that great dominant defensive BIg Man LA will need. so yes I do see LA having a line up that consists of Carmello, Kobe and most likely HIbbert. That scenario is more realistic than Kevin Love, Chris Bosh going to LA In addition, Lakers have traditionally gone over the cap. why would that change. The Lakers are a money making enterprise, and that wont change. they'll gladly pay a luxury tax. IF they signed Dwight Howard that would have still been the scenario. Kobe would have still gotten the same extension.

The funniest part is lakers will surrender draft picks lol what draft picks? 2nd round picks? smh

# 66 tril @ 11/29/13 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ojandpizza


	I just don't think you realize how much teams overpay to get a good big man.. I'm sure there are teams out there right now who would give Lopez the max deal.. Also why on earth would Hibbert leave for LA? Just because the Lakers need a big man doesn't automatically mean they will all go there just because.. He currently plays for the best team in the league, a team that is still getting better.. If Paul George is still around he would have no reason to leave Indy.. I'm fairly certain he likes playing for Indiana anyways. All of those Pacer guys seem to like the team they currently have.

were talking about 2 years down the road right. this is the 15/16 season right.
IM not talking about next year.
a line up with Kobe, Hibbert and Carmelo is not unrealistic at all. Alot of Big Men have left for the bright lights of LA.. weather it was through free agency of a trade. Again Howard is teh only big man that rejected LA.

# 67 tril @ 11/29/13 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ojandpizza


	Are you serious right now saying Anthony Davis hasn't done enough to prove to be a max contract guy???

yup. However I have to admit the Anthony Davis scenario is wishful thinking. but Lakers have always pulled off some amazing things.

# 68 tril @ 11/29/13 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Melbournelad


	[/b] You seem to have no clue how the cap works. You can only go over the cap to resign your own players who have bird rights. You CANNOT go over the cap to sign new free agents (unless as an MLE etc) or to resign your own free agents after signing new players (they have to go under a cap hold at the start of free agency otherwise you forfeit their rights).

ok. so in 2 years How much will the Lakers be under the cap. The majority of the Lakers roster comes off the books within the next 2 years except Kobe. and how many of those players do you think LA will resign?
Im also projecting. of course they couldnt pull these moves off this season. but in 2 years yes. theyll have more contracts off the books and money to burn.
none of you all seem to be projecting potential salary cap space etc.

Player 2013/14 2014/15 2015/16 2016/17 2017/18
Kobe Bryant $30,453,000 $23,500,000 $25,000,000 $0 $0
Pau Gasol $19,285,850 $0 $0 $0 $0
Steve Nash $9,300,500 $9,701,000 $0 $0 $0

Steve Blake $4,000,000 $0 $0 $0 $0
Jordan Hill $3,500,000 $0 $0 $0 $0
Chris Kaman $3,183,000 $0 $0 $0 $0
Jodie Meeks $1,550,000 $0 $0 $0 $0
Chris Duhon $1,500,000 $0 $0 $0 $0
Jordan Farmar $1,106,942 $0 $0 $0 $0
Nick Young $1,106,942 $1,227,985 $0 $0 $0
Shawne Williams $1,027,424 $0 $0 $0 $0
Xavier Henry $916,099 $0 $0 $0 $0
Wesley Johnson $916,099 $0 $0 $0 $0
Robert Sacre $788,873 $915,243 $981,358 $0 $0
Elias Harris $490,180 $816,482 $0 $0 $0
Ryan Kelly $490,180 $0 $0 $0 $0
TOTALS: $79,615,089 $35,344,228 $25,000,000 $0 $0

# 69 Melbournelad @ 11/29/13 07:33 AM

The cap was 58 million this year. By 2015-16 it is projected to be around 62 million.

By the way, do you now understand how restricted free agency works and because of it that Davis is an impossibility, and Bledsoe is extremely unlikely?

# 70 tril @ 11/29/13 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Melbournelad


	The cap was 58 million this year. By 2015-16 it is projected to be around 62 million. By the way, do you now understand how restricted free agency works and because of it that Davis is an impossibility, and Bledsoe is extremely unlikely?

yup like I said the Anthgony Davis is wishful thinking, but would be a great fit.

and Bledsoe has a an option to option out at the end of this season via qualifying offers. So I do see LA making an offer in the off season. I dont believe He's a max guy. he's injury proan and has a reputation of having a bad attitude.

Miami and LA will have huge amounts of cap space within the next few years.

again I stand by my statement of a lineup consisting of Kobe, CArmello Anthony and Hibbert is very realistic in the next few years.
Anthony Davis leaving the Pelican's is very realistic, going to LA not. the fact that he's a 20/10 guy this season and very little media covegage says enough. he'll bolt as soon as he gets a chance. He'll force the Pelicans hand.

# 71 Melbournelad @ 11/29/13 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tril


	yup like I said the Anthgony Davis is wishful thinking, but would be a great fit. and Bledsoe has a an option to option out at the end of this season via qualifying offers. So I do see LA making an offer in the off season. I dont believe He's a max guy. he's injury proan and has a reputation of having a bad attitude. Miami and LA will have huge amounts of cap space within the next few years. again I stand by my statement of a lineup consisting of Kobe, CArmello Anthony and Hibbert is very realistic in the next few years. Anthony Davis leaving the Pelican's is very realistic, going to LA not. the fact that he's a 20/10 guy this season and very little media covegage says enough. he'll bolt as soon as he gets a chance. He'll force the Pelicans hand.

Again, it will be 2019/2020/2021 by the time Davis is an unrestricted free agent. Bledsoe also won't be leaving the Suns for any team until 2017/2018/2019 unless one of two things happen: either a team offers him the max next summer and the Suns feel that it is such an overvalue of Bledsoe that they don't want to match, or he takes a qualifying offer and become a free agent in 2015. Now just to clarify since you seem a bit confused on qualifying offers, it means that a player can take a one year deal at the end of their rookie contract to stay with their team and become a free agent the following summer. The contract is around the amount of the last year of ther rookie contract (not 100% sure, but it is a small amount), and usually much less than they could get on the open market. This why you will very rarely see players take this offer. So no, Bledsoe won't be hitting the market as a UFA until at least 2017, unless he wants to miss out on millions of dollars in the 14-15 season.

And Hibbert won't be leaving the Pacers when they have the best long term outlook of any team in the league right now. The only way would be it somehow Paul George suffers a career ending injury. Even if he does leave them, Kobe would have to take a significant pay cut down to about 5-10 million to have enough room, because in your hypothetical scenario Anthony would already be on the books for over 20 million, and I'm sure we would have some role players such as Jordan Hill signed past 2016.

# 72 RedSceptile @ 11/29/13 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tril


	yup like I said the Anthgony Davis is wishful thinking, but would be a great fit. and Bledsoe has a an option to option out at the end of this season via qualifying offers. So I do see LA making an offer in the off season. I dont believe He's a max guy. he's injury proan and has a reputation of having a bad attitude. Miami and LA will have huge amounts of cap space within the next few years. again I stand by my statement of a lineup consisting of Kobe, CArmello Anthony and Hibbert is very realistic in the next few years. Anthony Davis leaving the Pelican's is very realistic, going to LA not. the fact that he's a 20/10 guy this season and very little media covegage says enough. he'll bolt as soon as he gets a chance. He'll force the Pelicans hand.

You know nothing about basketball or salary. The earliest the Pelicans can lose Davis is the 2019 season because best believe hes going to get that super max deal. This is his second year in the league and the Pelicans are already better this year than last. Roy Hibbert arguably plays for the best team in the league with a guy in Paul George who is rising astronomically into a top 5 player. There's no conceivable way to afford Melo Kobe Anthony Davis and Roy Hibbert. Kobe would have to sign for the minimum because that's 3 MAX LEVEL players. Combine the fact that the league is far more punishing to tax payers as a result of what happened in Miami. But oh wait the 3 in Miami all took even less money. Melo is not going to take less money. Neither will an in his prime Anthony Davis. Plus with the way how Hibbert is destroying souls you can count him out as well.

This is impossible. Learn salary cap 101 and contracts before making such ludicrous assumptions. "Ohhhh a guys team sucks? Guess hes gonna be a Laker!" there are far more attractive teams than whatever it is that the Lakers are now.

# 73 goldlife87 @ 11/29/13 01:12 PM

Honestly I believe the lakers go pick up Melo. Carmelo wants out of NY but still wants to be in a major market. His wife is into the entertainment lifestyle and would be perfect fit in LA. He also pairs up with kobe who is alpha dog leader that carmelo could never be (not hating just saying, melo is more laid back). I think this would be Carmelo's best shot at a title (unless he decides to join Dwight+Harden) pairing up with a hungry mamba and eventually the Lakers could become Melo's team if he plays his part right. Kobe needs a second option (maybe even first if you look at kobe's latest shooting percentages) and who better than arguably top two scorer in the lg carmelo anthony. It just makes sense, Melo to the Lakers.

# 74 ojandpizza @ 11/29/13 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KingofATL


	PG - Kyle Lowry .....(Big, aggressive gaurd who can score the rock, let Steve Blake ride the bench) SG - Kobe Bryant ....(they can try and steal Lance Stephenson from Pacers to come off bench) SF - Rudy Gay ....(Yeah I said it, No way Melo & Kobe can play together. Both are ball hogs!!!) PF - *Dirk Nowitzki* .......(time to move on from Pau Gasol, or at least consider it. Dirk would be a perfect fit) C - Jordan Hill .......(J. Hill has been pretty productive. He is young and a beast downlow) *Just think about it.... It could be a great team!!!!!!*

Dirk isn't leaving Dallas though, and this does nothing to fix their interior defensive issues. Possibly makes it worse.

# 75 KSOR24 @ 11/29/13 11:53 PM

This is my dream lineup:

Kyle Lowry
Kobe Bryant
Thabo Sefolosha
Carmelo Anthony
Omer Asik

With their current bench as well. Defensively, they would be solid. And on offense, oh my ..

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# 76 tril @ 11/30/13 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RedSceptile


	You know nothing about basketball or salary. The earliest the Pelicans can lose Davis is the 2019 season because best believe hes going to get that super max deal. This is his second year in the league and the Pelicans are already better this year than last. Roy Hibbert arguably plays for the best team in the league with a guy in Paul George who is rising astronomically into a top 5 player. There's no conceivable way to afford Melo Kobe Anthony Davis and Roy Hibbert. Kobe would have to sign for the minimum because that's 3 MAX LEVEL players. Combine the fact that the league is far more punishing to tax payers as a result of what happened in Miami. But oh wait the 3 in Miami all took even less money. Melo is not going to take less money. Neither will an in his prime Anthony Davis. Plus with the way how Hibbert is destroying souls you can count him out as well. This is impossible. Learn salary cap 101 and contracts before making such ludicrous assumptions. "Ohhhh a guys team sucks? Guess hes gonna be a Laker!" there are far more attractive teams than whatever it is that the Lakers are now.

So with that PHD in basketball economics you got from Mailin University must really work wonders for you in that new GM mode of NBA2k14!!!!

first off read a few posts back I said The Anthony Davis going to LA is wishful thinking. and you and other folks argument about you know nothing about Basketball and how salary cap works argument is WEAK at best. Especially when we are talking about hypothetical here.
No one can really predict what will happen in 2/3 years from now. I dont see any of you all proposing how the Lakers could Potentially look in the future. Again "you know nothing about basketball" is weak... and an argument of "well, I played basketball at the high school, college level doesnt fly neither". I know someone will say this, and again that will be another weak excuse.
Ive seen some folks here mention lineups with Kyrie Irving, Kobe, and Love, wouldn't those three cross the cap. I even think that is plausible.
again a lineup of Carmello, Kobe and Hibbert is not out of the realm of impossibility, especially 2/3 years down the line.
this is about fun intriguing scenarios Brah!!!!!!

# 77 Melbournelad @ 11/30/13 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tril


	So with that PHD in basketball economics you got from Mailin University must really work wonders for you in that new GM mode of NBA2k14!!!! first off read a few posts back I said The Anthony Davis going to LA is wishful thinking. and you and other folks argument about you know nothing about Basketball and how salary cap works argument is WEAK at best. Especially when we are talking about hypothetical here. No one can really predict what will happen in 2/3 years from now. I dont see any of you all proposing how the Lakers could Potentially look in the future. Again "you know nothing about basketball" is weak... and an argument of "well, I played basketball at the high school, college level doesnt fly neither". I know someone will say this, and again that will be another weak excuse. Ive seen some folks here mention lineups with Kyrie Irving, Kobe, and Love, wouldn't those three cross the cap. I even think that is plausible. again a lineup of Carmello, Kobe and Hibbert is not out of the realm of impossibility, especially 2/3 years down the line. this is about fun intriguing scenarios Brah!!!!!!

Okay now you must be trolling. No, Davis is not "wishful thinking". Nor is Kyrie Irving who you had to mention for some reason. It is so unlikely to the point that it is nearly impossible. If you look back at any offseason of the last 10 years you will see that no team has EVER let a star RFA go. And why would they? Now if you want to plan ahead until 2019 and 2020 for Irving and Davis respectively, go ahead, but don't try and suggest that there is any scenario that allows them to leave their teams in 2015 and 2016.

"No one can predict what will happen in 2/3 years from now". Actually, yes you can to some extent if you have looked into past history of the NBA, the salary cap ad it's limitations and how teams are constructed pretty extensively and know what you're talking about. For example I'll give you two predictions that I'm very confident about. One, the Pelicans striked FA too early this year with Holiday and Evans contracts and as a result will have a ceiling of a 4th/5th seed AT BEST in the Anthony Davis era. They should have rebuilt another two years and attempted to land another allstar or two in 2015 FA while they still had numerous rookie contracts on the books (Davis, high 2014 pick, high 2015 pick). Second, the Wizards will strike it big in 2016 FA and add a allstar/superstar to a core of Wall, Beal and Porter, possibly Durant.

# 78 tril @ 11/30/13 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Melbournelad


	Okay now you must be trolling. No, Davis is not "wishful thinking". Nor is Kyrie Irving who you had to mention for some reason. It is so unlikely to the point that it is nearly impossible. If you look back at any offseason of the last 10 years you will see that no team has EVER let a star RFA go. And why would they? Now if you want to plan ahead until 2019 and 2020 for Irving and Davis respectively, go ahead, but don't try and suggest that there is any scenario that allows them to leave their teams in 2015 and 2016. "No one can predict what will happen in 2/3 years from now". Actually, yes you can to some extent if you have looked into past history of the NBA, the salary cap ad it's limitations and how teams are constructed pretty extensively and know what you're talking about. For example I'll give you two predictions that I'm very confident about. One, the Pelicans striked FA too early this year with Holiday and Evans contracts and as a result will have a ceiling of a 4th/5th seed AT BEST in the Anthony Davis era. They should have rebuilt another two years and attempted to land another allstar or two in 2015 FA while they still had numerous rookie contracts on the books (Davis, high 2014 pick, high 2015 pick). Second, the Wizards will strike it big in 2016 FA and add a allstar/superstar to a core of Wall, Beal and Porter, possibly Durant.

dude do you know how to read. seriously do you have any comprehension skills.
just to define a few things for you.
Wishful thinking is the formation of beliefs and making decisions according to what might be pleasing to imagine instead of by appealing to evidence, rationality, or reality.
This means that I admit that this in most likelyhood will not happen.I mentioned Kyrie Irving because some folks in this thread mentioned scenarios with Kyrie Irving in an LA uniform.

finally I feel like pissing you off even more...
I predict that Wade Bosh and James will opt out, and join LA next year. plus theyll ask for a minimum of 5 million a year so they could go and sign a few solid big men. Carmello seeing this will want to join the party for roughly 2 million a year cause he knows his celebrity wife can make up the difference with her celebrity status in LA. as a matter of fact theyll do a Lakers House wives show
starring LA LA, and Gabrielle Union, cause she'll be engaged to Wade by then. Kobe's wife will be that stereotypical light skinned babe on this show. Lebrons' wife will be the glue that keeps everyone together, and Bosh's wife's role be the woman who question's if his husband is on the DL or not.

seriously re-read my last few posts. and what does trolling have to do with hypothetical scenarios?

# 79 RedSceptile @ 11/30/13 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tril


	dude do you know how to read. seriously do you have any comprehension skills. just to define a few things for you. Wishful thinking is the formation of beliefs and making decisions according to what might be pleasing to imagine instead of by appealing to evidence, rationality, or reality. This means that I admit that this in most likelyhood will not happen.I mentioned Kyrie Irving because some folks in this thread mentioned scenarios with Kyrie Irving in an LA uniform. finally I feel like pissing you off even more... I predict that Wade Bosh and James will opt out, and join LA next year. plus theyll ask for a minimum of 5 million a year so they could go and sign a few solid big men. Carmello seeing this will want to join the party for roughly 2 million a year cause he knows his celebrity wife can make up the difference with her celebrity status in LA. as a matter of fact theyll do a Lakers House wives show starring LA LA, and Gabrielle Union, cause she'll be engaged to Wade by then. Kobe's wife will be that stereotypical light skinned babe on this show. Lebrons' wife will be the glue that keeps everyone together, and Bosh's wife's role be the woman who question's if his husband is on the DL or not. seriously re-read my last few posts. and what does trolling have to do with hypothetical scenarios?

Making stupid posts doesn't piss any of us off. All it does is show that you can't generate a strong enough argument which has been evident with your lack of understanding and "Lakers did it before!" mentality.

# 80 Melbournelad @ 11/30/13 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tril


	dude do you know how to read. seriously do you have any comprehension skills. just to define a few things for you. Wishful thinking is the formation of beliefs and making decisions according to what might be pleasing to imagine instead of by appealing to evidence, rationality, or reality. This means that I admit that this in most likelyhood will not happen.I mentioned Kyrie Irving because some folks in this thread mentioned scenarios with Kyrie Irving in an LA uniform. finally I feel like pissing you off even more... I predict that Wade Bosh and James will opt out, and join LA next year. plus theyll ask for a minimum of 5 million a year so they could go and sign a few solid big men. Carmello seeing this will want to join the party for roughly 2 million a year cause he knows his celebrity wife can make up the difference with her celebrity status in LA. as a matter of fact theyll do a Lakers House wives show starring LA LA, and Gabrielle Union, cause she'll be engaged to Wade by then. Kobe's wife will be that stereotypical light skinned babe on this show. Lebrons' wife will be the glue that keeps everyone together, and Bosh's wife's role be the woman who question's if his husband is on the DL or not. seriously re-read my last few posts. and what does trolling have to do with hypothetical scenarios?

"Do you have any comprehension skills." There is something ironically amusing about you saying that.

Wishful thinking implies that there is at least some distinct, albeit small, chane at something occurring. Irving and Davis being let go as RFA's does NOT fit that criteria.

By the way, seems like you've been watching a bit too much "real housewives" bro...

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