Sound off: Who Should LA Surround Kobe With the Next Two Years?

[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by RangersCruz

Umm he has a lot of potential but i agree with him hes not

Are you guys even watching this season??? How many players at his position are playing better than him right now. Kevin Love is the only clear cut guy..

He's been around 20 and 10 all season long, currently at about 19 and 11.. He gets a couple assists, a couple steals, and 4 blocks per game.. He's a complete game changer. He averages less than 2 turnovers per game and is an 85% free throw shooting big man..

It's completely ridiculous to think that in 3 years, or however long it is, that he wouldn't be worthy of a max contract.. He could very well end up on the All-NBA 3rd team this year, and most definitely should be an All-Star..

And I know fantasy basketball doesn't mean much, but it does give you an understanding of how much a player contributes by combining their entire stat line on a game to game basis.... But he's been a top 5 fantasy average all season long, and at one point was as high as number 2...

Only Love, LeBron, and Chris Paul are ahead of him right now... Which means that he's above Durant, Melo, Harden, Curry, Dwight, etc.. All these guys who are statistical monsters.

Edit: also, just to add, he's not even playing 35 minutes a game! I don't know what more you could ask for from somebody that's only 20 years old.

[Melbournelad]

Quote: Originally Posted by tril

for folks bashing my scenario of : Eric Bledsoe Kobe Bryant Carmello Anthony Anthony Davis in 2015/16-(team option) by then he'll want out. so far he isnt proven to be a max guy, and most likely wont be. and if they are still in losing mode then, the Lakers will gladly surrender draft picks-like they have always done and Brook Lopez 2015 is a free agent- and not a max guy Roy Hibbert- has a player option in 2015. Lakers have a tradition of signing dominant big men. Dwight was the exception to the rule. you do the Math. Hibbert is that great dominant defensive BIg Man LA will need. so yes I do see LA having a line up that consists of Carmello, Kobe and most likely HIbbert. That scenario is more realistic than Kevin Love, Chris Bosh going to LA In addition, Lakers have traditionally gone over the cap. why would that change. The Lakers are a money making enterprise, and that wont change. they'll gladly pay a luxury tax. IF they signed Dwight Howard that would have still been the scenario. Kobe would have still gotten the same extension.

The idea of Davis and Bledsoe is being bashed is because it is IMPOSSIBLE. Do you have any idea how the CBA works? Davis CAN NOT opt in 2015, because it is a TEAM option. And in 2016 he will be a RESTRICTED FREE AGENT. Meaning the Pelicans can match ANY offer a team has made, and if they do, Davis has to resign with them. He won't be an UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT until at least 2019, possibly 2020 or 2021 depending on how many years his extension is. Do I have to spell it out any clearer for you?

[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by tril

and Brook Lopez 2015 is a free agent- and not a max guy Roy Hibbert- has a player option in 2015. Lakers have a tradition of signing dominant big men. Dwight was the exception to the rule. you do the Math. Hibbert is that great dominant defensive BIg Man LA will need. .

I just don't think you realize how much teams overpay to get a good big man.. I'm sure there are teams out there right now who would give Lopez the max deal..

Also why on earth would Hibbert leave for LA? Just because the Lakers need a big man doesn't automatically mean they will all go there just because.. He currently plays for the best team in the league, a team that is still getting better.. If Paul George is still around he would have no reason to leave Indy..

I'm fairly certain he likes playing for Indiana anyways. All of those Pacer guys seem to like the team they currently have.

[Melbournelad]

Quote: Originally Posted by tril

Eric Bledsoe and Anthony Davis arent max contract guys, and most likely wont be. they are good complimentary pieces. I dont know how contracts work, (what ever), but folks are talking about Kevin Love. Lamarcus Aldrige etc. those guys are more Max guys than Anthony Davis (at least not yet). Hibbert has a player option that year. and Brook Lopez will not be a max guy then either. especially when you have your Deandre Jordan's (team option) and Andre Drummond's (fa) becoming free agents or have the opportunity to opt out in 2015. even Marc Gasol will be a free agent that year. will they all get max contracts nope. will the Lakers gladly go over the cap and pay the luxury tax. Yup. they have always done this. this is the Lakers not OKC, Detroit, etc!!!! Lakers are a prime time money making team. and that wont change.

You seem to have no clue how the cap works. You can only go over the cap to resign your own players who have bird rights. You CANNOT go over the cap to sign new free agents (unless as an MLE etc) or to resign your own free agents after signing new players (they have to go under a cap hold at the start of free agency otherwise you forfeit their rights).

[The__Answ3r_i3]

Quote: Originally Posted by tril

for folks bashing my scenario of : Eric Bledsoe Kobe Bryant Carmello Anthony Anthony Davis in 2015/16-(team option) by then he'll want out. so far he isnt proven to be a max guy, and most likely wont be. and if they are still in losing mode then, the Lakers will gladly surrender draft picks-like they have always done and Brook Lopez 2015 is a free agent- and not a max guy Roy Hibbert- has a player option in 2015. Lakers have a tradition of signing dominant big men. Dwight was the exception to the rule. you do the Math. Hibbert is that great dominant defensive BIg Man LA will need. so yes I do see LA having a line up that consists of Carmello, Kobe and most likely HIbbert. That scenario is more realistic than Kevin Love, Chris Bosh going to LA In addition, Lakers have traditionally gone over the cap. why would that change. The Lakers are a money making enterprise, and that wont change. they'll gladly pay a luxury tax. IF they signed Dwight Howard that would have still been the scenario. Kobe would have still gotten the same extension.

The funniest part is lakers will surrender draft picks lol what draft picks? 2nd round picks? smh

[tril]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

I just don't think you realize how much teams overpay to get a good big man.. I'm sure there are teams out there right now who would give Lopez the max deal.. Also why on earth would Hibbert leave for LA? Just because the Lakers need a big man doesn't automatically mean they will all go there just because.. He currently plays for the best team in the league, a team that is still getting better.. If Paul George is still around he would have no reason to leave Indy.. I'm fairly certain he likes playing for Indiana anyways. All of those Pacer guys seem to like the team they currently have.

were talking about 2 years down the road right. this is the 15/16 season right.
IM not talking about next year.
a line up with Kobe, Hibbert and Carmelo is not unrealistic at all. Alot of Big Men have left for the bright lights of LA.. weather it was through free agency of a trade. Again Howard is teh only big man that rejected LA.

[tril]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

Are you serious right now saying Anthony Davis hasn't done enough to prove to be a max contract guy???

yup. However I have to admit the Anthony Davis scenario is wishful thinking. but Lakers have always pulled off some amazing things.

[tril]

Quote: Originally Posted by Melbournelad

[/b] You seem to have no clue how the cap works. You can only go over the cap to resign your own players who have bird rights. You CANNOT go over the cap to sign new free agents (unless as an MLE etc) or to resign your own free agents after signing new players (they have to go under a cap hold at the start of free agency otherwise you forfeit their rights).

ok. so in 2 years How much will the Lakers be under the cap. The majority of the Lakers roster comes off the books within the next 2 years except Kobe. and how many of those players do you think LA will resign?
Im also projecting. of course they couldnt pull these moves off this season. but in 2 years yes. theyll have more contracts off the books and money to burn.
none of you all seem to be projecting potential salary cap space etc.

Player 2013/14 2014/15 2015/16 2016/17 2017/18
Kobe Bryant $30,453,000 $23,500,000 $25,000,000 $0 $0
Pau Gasol $19,285,850 $0 $0 $0 $0
Steve Nash $9,300,500 $9,701,000 $0 $0 $0

Steve Blake $4,000,000 $0 $0 $0 $0
Jordan Hill $3,500,000 $0 $0 $0 $0
Chris Kaman $3,183,000 $0 $0 $0 $0
Jodie Meeks $1,550,000 $0 $0 $0 $0
Chris Duhon $1,500,000 $0 $0 $0 $0
Jordan Farmar $1,106,942 $0 $0 $0 $0
Nick Young $1,106,942 $1,227,985 $0 $0 $0
Shawne Williams $1,027,424 $0 $0 $0 $0
Xavier Henry $916,099 $0 $0 $0 $0
Wesley Johnson $916,099 $0 $0 $0 $0
Robert Sacre $788,873 $915,243 $981,358 $0 $0
Elias Harris $490,180 $816,482 $0 $0 $0
Ryan Kelly $490,180 $0 $0 $0 $0
TOTALS: $79,615,089 $35,344,228 $25,000,000 $0 $0