01:29 PM - October 8, 2013 by RaychelSnrEndgadget posted a video showing off CoachGlass during a play session of Madden NFL 25. This video also offers some of our first glimpses of next-gen gameplay video. [YouTube]
What can you spot?
Madden NFL 25 News Post
01:29 PM - October 8, 2013 by RaychelSnrEndgadget posted a video showing off CoachGlass during a play session of Madden NFL 25. This video also offers some of our first glimpses of next-gen gameplay video. [YouTube]
What can you spot?
Madden NFL 25 Videos
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That being said, what I come back to is the one thing they havent done that would not change core gameplay at all. PRESENTATION. Why Madden does not look exactly like a game on Sunday I will never understand. Camera angles look nothing lke a broadcast. Cut scenes jar you out of the game. Barely any stat overlays or camera wipes. Cut scenes do not belong in sports games PERIOD. Yet Madden is filled with them and from what we have seen from next gen it will be again. For the life of me I just cant understand what the reasoning is for not having a halftime and weekly wrap up show that even comes close to what 2k5 had. That just flat out blows my mind and I could not even guess the logic for them not having it in Madden other than they couldnt find a way to get it in under current gen system contstraints (whoops dont have that excuse anymore).
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Give us what we want, REAL TIME PRESENTATION elements of what we see every week on TV. It's disturbing that they know it's what we want, but keep giving us the middle finger.
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I just want to see AI, TruStep and animations.
If I like it, great, if I don't, no buy.
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These type of people won't want RTP elements slowing down the game, or taking away from the action on the field. They don't care about stat banners, overlays, cool camera cuts, good, decent looking replays. They care about winning, and getting their awesome online rank up.
That's why we haven't seen them put any forth into their presentation. If the online Joe Cool gamer doesn't care, than neither does EA. SCEA makes their game for the hardcore baseball fan, that's why they give us what we want, year in and year out they up the ante on their broadcast presentation because they know that's what their sim fanbase asks for.
I don't buy any of these excuses. They did tout that they have been working on the game for two years. Now that you see how sad it looks, the excuses start to fly. I don't know what in the heck they are doing, but there better be something behind the curtain.
This will be the game that brings football, back. Well, this game sucks. Don't worry, its because of next gen, wait until that game comes out. Now we have to wait for '15 to see some real innovation?
That's comical. There is no excuse for this game not to blow it out of the water. They have had the time, bragged about how they doubled their team in magazines, and claimed how they have this great physics system that will be awesome when gen 4 hits.
I'm still waiting to see something that jives with their story.
This will be the game that brings football, back. Well, this game sucks. Don't worry, its because of next gen, wait until that game comes out. Now we have to wait for '15 to see some real innovation?
That's comical. There is no excuse for this game not to blow it out of the water. They have had the time, bragged about how they doubled their team in magazines, and claimed how they have this great physics system that will be awesome when gen 4 hits.
I'm still waiting to see something that jives with their story.
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We're furious, you're furious, and EA doesn't give a damn because they know most of us will still buy the game
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That game has a very long road to improve
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# 131
CT Pitbull @ 10/09/13 06:42 PM
Im bummed just as much as you guys from what we have seen this past couple weeks. My expectations a year ago were through the roof but as we got closer to launch I have lowered them(my expectations) due to connecting the dots of the info I have seen and heard.
That being said the ONLY thing that can truly save this game for me is if the cpu ai is finally totally coherent. If the ai was really worked on and made to be "football smart" and "situation aware" that will be enough to keep me playing for awhile at least. If defenses adjust to your play calling tendencies and take routes and plays away that the user may run over and over again, it will be a big deal for me. They have said the ai was going to be more intelligent so we will see if that was just "talk" or they really did concentrate on ai awareness and play calling. If they did go to work on this it definitely wouldn't be something we could pick up from what we have seen so far.
Given that they are pushing this "coach glass" a much more adaptive ai would seem to go hand-in-hand along with that IMO. Maybe im just dreaming here but its really the ONLY thing I am still hopeful for because so many other things look so much like just "more of the same ole, same ole".
That being said the ONLY thing that can truly save this game for me is if the cpu ai is finally totally coherent. If the ai was really worked on and made to be "football smart" and "situation aware" that will be enough to keep me playing for awhile at least. If defenses adjust to your play calling tendencies and take routes and plays away that the user may run over and over again, it will be a big deal for me. They have said the ai was going to be more intelligent so we will see if that was just "talk" or they really did concentrate on ai awareness and play calling. If they did go to work on this it definitely wouldn't be something we could pick up from what we have seen so far.
Given that they are pushing this "coach glass" a much more adaptive ai would seem to go hand-in-hand along with that IMO. Maybe im just dreaming here but its really the ONLY thing I am still hopeful for because so many other things look so much like just "more of the same ole, same ole".
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So, are you saying that even though they share the same engine across all sports games, the AI will be different, the animations will be different and living worlds will be different?
That's now I understood it, but maybe I'm wrong.
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# 134
RexDEAFootball @ 10/09/13 07:18 PM
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MADDEN 25 Game Play Additions and Improvements
Playbooks
o Heavy Focus on pistol option plays
o 351 new plays added overall
o 20 new formations added
o Two new legend coach playbooks added (Mike Ditka and Jimmy Johnson)
o 2 new playbooks (pistol, run and shoot)
Blocking
o Multiple types of new pull block animations
o New run block double team interaction animations
o Reach blocks have been added to the game
o 20+ new impact block animations
o 20+ new pass block/pass rush interaction animations
o New Pass Set/Pass Rush animations linked to QB drop depth (3, 5, 7, shotgun)
o Exponential increase in impact block coverage (matching blocks from at least 8 different directions)
o New zone step blocking interaction animations
o New lateral and vertical displacement animations for OL/DL interactions
o 30 new blocking schemes
o New Open field run block targeting system
o Adjusted block shed ratings for cornerbacks and run block ratings for wide receivers and tight ends so they align with how these positions play in real life.
Option
o Overhauled option mechanics (pitching, pitch man relationship, option blocking and option defense)
o New Dive Read and Pitch Key icons on option plays
New Skills Trainer Mode
o Total Control Passing Tutorial
o Pass Trajectories Tutorial
o User Catching Tutorial
o Acceleration Burst Tutorial
o Option Dive and Pitch Tutorial
o Triple Option Tutorial
o Precision Modifier Tutorial
o Ball Hawk Tutorial
o Offensive Hot Routes tutorial
o Offensive Audible Tutorial
o Oklahoma Drill Defense Tutorial
o Oklahoma Drill Offense Tutorial
o Defensive Audible Tutorial
o Defensive Individual Adjustment Tutorial
Physics
o New Stumble Recovery mechanic
o New force impact mechanics (stiff arm punch, truck, dive tackle, hit stick)
o Improved limbs being bent unnaturally by physics
o Improvements to conservation of momentum
o Improvements to post play physics interactions
o Reduced frequency of bad falls out of collisions
o Improved tackle alignment
o Improved balance tuning, balance now tuned by position vs. globally
Ball Carrier Mechanics
o Hurdle over dive tackle action
o Hurdle over defender in breakdown action
o New Stiff Arm Targeting system
o New ¡¥moving stiff arm¡¦ interactions
o Introduced new ¡¥avoidance¡¦ mechanic for ball carrier collisions with blockers
o 30+ new ball carrier (non-precision) animations
„X 6 new ball carrier combo moves
„X 2 new types of Stiff arms ¡V 5 new angles
„X New reach out ball dive animation
„X New Spin Move Animations
„X New Juke Animations
„X 7 types of Hard Cut Animations
„X New back juke animation
„X New acceleration burst animations
„X Revised Truck Animation
„X 6 new Ball Carrier Avoidance Animations
„X 5 types of Stumble Recovery Animations
20+ new precision modifier ball carrier actions using LT
„X Decelerate
„X Stutter Step
„X Strafe
„X Precision Spin
„X 90+ Spin Rating Precision Spin
„X Precision Dive
„X Precision High Dive (over blocker)
„X Precision Juke
„X 90+ juke rating precision juke
„X Precision Jump Cut (behind LOS)
„X Precision Hurdle
„X 90+ jump rating precision hurdle
„X Precision Back Juke
„X Precision Juke Spin Combo and Reverse Juke Spin Combo
„X Precision Double Juke Combos
„X Precision Truck
„X Precision Truck Spin Combo
„X Precision Back Juke Spin Combo
Defense
o New defensive mechanics - switch assist, heat seeker, dive tackle, hit stick lunge
o All new defensive fake out system with 15 new fake out animations
o 5 new hit stick animations
o 5 new hurdle tackles
o Revised animation for strip ball tackle prep
o Increased animation coverage for hit stick tackles
o Revised spin, club, rip and bull rush pass rush animations
o New initial move animations for read run key defenders
Community Exploit Fixes
o Inside pass leading on streaks has been toned down
o Curl to flat purple zone defenders now favor curl vs. flat as a greater threat
o We now allow DB¡¦s to get beat to the inside to reduce over effectiveness of 2 Man under
o Altered route to reduce fade route over effectiveness
o Reduced severity of pass leading on wheel routes due to over effectiveness
o Onsides kick return exploit fixed
o You can no longer hold ball hawk from snap, only works once ball is in air
o Reduced frequency of ¡¥over the shoulder¡¦ interceptions from LB¡¦s and Defensive Line.
o You can no longer no huddle audible to formations that do not match the personnel you have on the field
o Drastically reduced swerve running
o Removed delay after calling a defensive audible
o Added defensive key so user can define if read defender takes QB or RB.
o Increased penalties for taking big hits when running with QB¡¦s that are pocket passers
AI
o A variety of improvement to AI play call scripts
o Improved AI for throwing screen passes
o Improved CPU AI for beating 2 man under
o Major improvements to defensive pursuit logic
o New Dive Tackle AI for defenders
o Defensive breakdown behavior for AI defenders
o New run logic AI for CPU ball carriers, including AI for when to perform hard cuts
o Late game clock management improvements
o Improved post play pile get up logic
o Improved post play path finding and avoidance
o Improved CPU QB AI decision making
o Improved tuning for AI defenders biting on play action fakes
o Revised triggering conditions for conserve time play call behavior
o Improved CPU QB AI for scrambling
o Reduced frequency of CPU QB AI throwing ball out of bounds
Game Planning
o Disguised Cushion - Allows defenders to play with deep back off coverage principles without showing a back off coverage shell.
o Man Align ¡V Allows users to have their defenders in man coverage align directly over the player they are matched up against.
o 16 Personnel Packages
o New Audible by Personnel system
o Audibles can now be set in custom playbooks
o New position specific hot routes
o A variety of fixes and improvements to sliders
o A variety of fixes to custom playbooks
Other
o 25 categories of new player ¡¥on the field¡¦ audio with hundreds of line variations
o New pre-play camera and removed camera zoom on audibles
o New audio for physics collisions that scales based on severity of force
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Madden has essentially been the same game for the past decade, Right. No one cares about the damn blades of grass, Right. It has the same robotic animations as the 360 and PS3 versions, Right. If all the money that is being used on the exclusive license was instead put into game development we might actually have something worthy of the NFL shield, Right. I would be a moron to fall into this same hype crap for the umpteenth time, Right.
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Thanks.
Love how the keep touting things such as the blades of freakin' grass! All the same crappy animations and whatnot are still there as far as I can see. No buy.
If this game wasn't coming with my PS4 bundle, I wouldn't be playing it. I smell another "3 year plan" coming. If that truly does happen, I will abandon this series for good until they give us something worth playing.
It's pathetic how the gameplay looks on Next Gen.
It's pathetic how the gameplay looks on Next Gen.
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