Madden NFL 25 News Post

Madden NFL 25 Demo Available Now, Post Your Impressions (360, PS3)

06:26 AM - August 13, 2013 by Rawdeal28

The Madden NFL 25 demo is available now for 360 gold subscribers, you can queue it up right here. It weighs in at just under 2 GB.

We'll update this post when it's available for the PS3. According to EA Sports, it should be available at roughly 3:00 PM EST.

UPDATE: The demo is available now for PS3 users.

The demo includes the following.

Two never-before-seen videos

New England Patriots owner, Robert Kraft talks about Owner Mode
Compilation of some of the new Madden 25 features

Four drills for the Skills Trainer

Precision Modified Running
Total Control Passing
The Option
Ball Hawk

Play Now Matchups

San Francisco 49ers vs. Baltimore Ravens
Seattle Seahawks vs. Green Bay Packers

Details

You can set the difficulty level
You can adjust sliders
Full game with 5 minute quarters
Only one camera angle in demo (Standard)
It will have commentary
49ers are the team available in Skills Trainer

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Member Comments

# 741 jpdavis82 @ 08/15/13 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ch46647


	On top of what seems like a completely different locomotion system for AI and user controlled players. This guy hit the nail on the head with what he said right here. If there are any game changers reading this, please COPY AND PASTE these last few pages and send them to the developers. This is why Madden is so far off from a gamplay perspective from EA's own NHL and FIFA. Everything just seems so disjointed and out of control. Football (any sport) is all about anticipation and reaction. You cannot anticipate or react to anything in Madden because the way the game animates and moves makes no sense. It is the same way with the physics engine. In theory it is good, and sometimes it looks fantastic. But it is completely random and you literally have no clue what kind of results you are going to get. (Back to hockey for a moment. Download the demo and grab Zdeno Chara, I guarantee you will know EXACTLY what will happen when you hit a smaller player)

There's no need to do that, I talked to them about this months ago. They said this is something they have been stressing with the devs and the devs have been working on this, trying to figure out how to get weight & momentum to matter on next gen. The devs want to get where we do guys, it's just going to take a little longer. Not a lot longer, but a little bit longer.

# 742 Only1LT @ 08/15/13 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jpdavis82


	I understand your skepticism, the way I understand it and this is based on a press row podcast I heard with Victor Lugo at E3. The current gen engine does not allow for transitional animations for every step. The ignite engine is supposed to allow for them for each step, which will be 3x the rate of animations allowed for locomotion vs current gen. The only time I heard a EA developer say zig zag and ice skating was totally gone, as far as I remember, was during the IGN interview with Cam Weber in reference to next gen. Simfballcritic said a while back that ice skating and zig zag can still happen on current gen, but it happens a lot less with Madden 25.

No, I read up and listened to the presentations of True Step. What I am skeptical about isn't the talking points, it's the IGN Live Demo.

Reading about and hearing about True Step, made it sound great. Watching the game actually in motion during the demo... was a mixed bag at best. Looked better than current gen Madden, but seemed to fall far short of what they were touting it to be. It seemed to be something that wasn't persistent. It would look just like current gen, then the runner would change direction or do a special move, and it would look all Next Gen like for that brief moment, then go right back to looking like current gen. It's early and they have time to go, so I'm not writing it off by any means. Just wasn't a great first impression and again, I'm a bit skeptical based, not only on track record, but by the only visual evidence of the tech in action that I have to go on at the moment. Nothing would make me happier than to be proven wrong about this as this is easily one of the biggest issues with the game.

I din't mean the devs said zigzagging was dead. I meant I had seen several GCs say it was dead.

# 743 beecravey7 @ 08/15/13 04:51 PM

I am playing the demo on the ps3 and have noticed players disappear between plays and all u can see is their shadow when the players come to the line for the next play and during play.

# 744 Lieutenant Dan @ 08/15/13 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by beecravey7


	I am playing the demo on the ps3 and have noticed players disappear between plays and all u can see is their shadow when the players come to the line for the next play and during play.

Yeah, there is a thread about this, and supposedly a fix in release day patch.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...g-players.html

# 745 jpdavis82 @ 08/15/13 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	This isn't the proper thread for this so i will keep it brief, I was in the NBA2k forum yesterday and read something that said they were adding like 3000 animations to NBA2k14. NFL football is the sport I love most and all I could think about is "why can't/won't Tiburon do something like that?". With all the talk of IE 2.0, foot planting, etc, how Madden plays still comes down to animations and a lack thereof. In going on 9 years I wonder how many animations in total exist in Madden 25 and it likely reflects my belief that Tiburon couldn't care less about making the game we want.

I actually thought the same thing about wow 3000 animations? I wonder how many Madden added for Madden 25. I know they do have some new ones, that's evident in the demo, but 3000 seems like a ton.

# 746 jpdavis82 @ 08/15/13 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lieutenant Dan


	Yeah, there is a thread about this, and supposedly a fix in release day patch. http://www.operationsports.com/forum...g-players.html

It will also be fixed in the season ticket version next Friday.

# 747 Only1LT @ 08/15/13 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	This isn't the proper thread for this so i will keep it brief, I was in the NBA2k forum yesterday and read something that said they were adding like 3000 animations to NBA2k14. NFL football is the sport I love most and all I could think about is "why can't/won't Tiburon do something like that?". With all the talk of IE 2.0, foot planting, etc, how Madden plays still comes down to animations and a lack thereof. In going on 9 years I wonder how many animations in total exist in Madden 25 and it likely reflects my belief that Tiburon couldn't care less about making the game we want.

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Originally Posted by jpdavis82


	I actually thought the same thing about wow 3000 animations? I wonder how many Madden added for Madden 25. I know they do have some new ones, that's evident in the demo, but 3000 seems like a ton.

I'd actually prefer if they took animations away... like, all of them lol. I'm joking, because it will never happen, but they really need to start the mo-cap/animate/render process completely over... Maybe the animation tech R&D process too, while they're at it...

# 748 ABR173rd @ 08/15/13 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jpdavis82


	I actually thought the same thing about wow 3000 animations? I wonder how many Madden added for Madden 25. I know they do have some new ones, that's evident in the demo, but 3000 seems like a ton.

This reminds me of either M13 or M12 where EA advertised that they added over 100 new catching animations......Still waiting for a patch on that feature or maybe we'll see it on Next Gen with everything else we've been waiting for.

# 749 jpdavis82 @ 08/15/13 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ABR173rd


	This reminds me of either M13 or M12 where EA advertised that they added over 100 new catching animations......Still waiting for a patch on that feature or maybe we'll see it on Next Gen with everything else we've been waiting for.

I don't know how you could really prove anything with a certain amount of new animations, I do know that I have seen new catch animations in the demo that I didn't before.

# 750 jpdavis82 @ 08/15/13 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Only1LT


	I'd actually prefer if they took animations away... like, all of them lol. I'm joking, because it will never happen, but they really need to start the mo-cap/animate/render process completely over... Maybe the animation tech R&D process too, while they're at it...

Actually the devs are trying to go to a more & more physics based game on next gen. I don't know how long before they go to complete physics, but Victor Lugo did say that is something they are striving for, except for maybe a few signature animations.

# 751 Only1LT @ 08/15/13 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jpdavis82


	Actually the devs are trying to go to a more & more physics based game on next gen. I don't know how long before they go to complete physics, but Victor Lugo did say that is something they are striving for, except for maybe a few signature animations.

That's great, and I hope that this is actually realized, but it would not 100% solve the problem, as I see it anyway.

Even if the movements were determined by physics, it is still going to draw on what animations system is available to draw the potential outcomes. The animation tech, IMO, that they use is pretty substandard (not money wise, it costs a ton, but quality wise) so when that's your base to draw from, things can only get so much better.

# 752 friscob @ 08/15/13 05:28 PM

Just tried to hurdle a corner w/ Vernon Davis and he got hit right at the ankles and flipped end over end lol. Davis landed on his head/neck. It was beautiful and actually looked natural. Wish I could have watched a replay and made a video of it

# 753 jpdavis82 @ 08/15/13 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tfer717


	Like the david tyree catch that we used to see every other play basically? lol Madden has always been very limited on animations

Madden 13 had quite a few new ones, Madden 25 seems to have quite a few more. I actually forgot about the David Tyree animation, haven't seen it in a long time.

# 754 Snaker @ 08/15/13 06:16 PM

Looks just as bad as M13! Take a look at my picture of Aaron Rodgers in M25.

# 755 oathofsilence @ 08/15/13 07:01 PM

Anyone seen the invisible players glitch yet?

I can take a video capture right now if not.

# 756 jmurphy31 @ 08/15/13 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by oathofsilence


	Anyone seen the invisible players glitch yet? I can take a video capture right now if not.

Yes, there is a whole thread discussing it.

# 757 oathofsilence @ 08/15/13 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jmurphy31


	Yes, there is a whole thread discussing it.

Ok, thanks for the reply

# 758 Jet Sufferer @ 08/15/13 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	I've seen it, but not on every score. Seems to be more random. Seen Rodgers do his belt celebration after throwing a TD, which only happens when he runs for a TD IRL.

That reminds me, when are we going to see the naked QB bootleg in the game? Is there any play that will work for that? Maybe the option? Anyone try that?

# 759 RGiles36 @ 08/15/13 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	This isn't the proper thread for this so i will keep it brief, I was in the NBA2k forum yesterday and read something that said they were adding like 3000 animations to NBA2k14. NFL football is the sport I love most and all I could think about is "why can't/won't Tiburon do something like that?".

I got a similar feeling, but more about the AI learning and adjusting. I've been dying for that to find it's way in Madden for five years now.

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Originally Posted by Only1LT


	There were some good, timely, and authentic celebrations after scores or big plays. Kudos for that. Unfortunately, they still come in the form of cutscenes. They just can't let them go I guess. What they don't realize is that although the cutscenes may frame what they want to be emphasized for added dramatic effect (I guess) makes more problems than solutions. Without that organic feeling of watching the play and its aftermath truly unfold, you rob the viewer (player) of its emotional impact. You can't just go from a big hit, to black, then quickly to some celebration that is from a totally weird angle, all in the blink, then to another, then back, and not have it disorient.

All of this. The presentation is just demoralizing at this point, with M12 being the lone bright spot this entire generation. Most people don't care to go into that level of detail as you did, but props for taking time out to do that.

I'm just at a loss of words with the presentation this entire generation.

Honestly, I operate under the assumption that gameplay will get better & better over the years. I believe that.

But I wonder if there will ever be a full commitment to broadcast presentation. This half-hearted and stiched together version of a broadcast has been frustrating and exhausting. We barely have presentation options for pete's sake. Is Madden the only sports game where you can't toggle the amount of instant replays?

I really don't mean to sound like the evil GC. I've been waiting a long time for the presentation to rival what I enjoyed years ago in that other game, and save for M12, it never comes close

# 760 TeeDogg @ 08/15/13 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	This isn't the proper thread for this so i will keep it brief, I was in the NBA2k forum yesterday and read something that said they were adding like 3000 animations to NBA2k14. NFL football is the sport I love most and all I could think about is "why can't/won't Tiburon do something like that?". With all the talk of IE 2.0, foot planting, etc, how Madden plays still comes down to animations and a lack thereof. In going on 9 years I wonder how many animations in total exist in Madden 25 and it likely reflects my belief that Tiburon couldn't care less about making the game we want.

Funny thing is while playing the demo (360) I was thinking this was the first time I got the impression the animations had a 2K feel. In terms of variation and appropriate per situation. I'm sure its still nowhere near the same amount as 2K but it does feel like its starting to head that way.

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