NBA Live 13 News Post

NBA Live 13 Gameplay Video - Miami Heat vs. Oklahoma City Thunder

11:48 AM - August 21, 2012 by 22cedric

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Here it is, our first glimpse of NBA Live 13 in action.

Thoughts?

UPDATE: EA has taken down the video. Look through the comments section and you might be able to see a few pop up there, until they are removed as well.

UPDATE #2: Kotaku has it online.

UPDATE #3: EA Sports has responded... (via Owen Good, Kotaku)

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	EA Sports responds: "The video appears to be captured from a pre-alpha build months ago and is not an official EA SPORTS release. It does not represent a final build or feature set for NBA Live."

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# 621 noshun @ 08/22/12 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 23


	Just watching again after sleeping on it, this game is just painful to look at After KD hits a shot and runs up the floor..the pan in looks awful LeBron posting up his own man who slid like 6 feet Not being able to tell who is who is still a bad art design Why even claim faces with 100 man hours and you leave the body models that look like puppet corpses still in the game? In Live 10 they did at least try to differentiate body types, but whats happening here? They still have some of the Fifa running code in the game evident by guys trying to run on a basketball court on their tip toes hunched over with knees bent too far. Wade's shoulders are bigger than his head... I remember when Shaq has some real diesel sized triceps in what was that, Live 08, 06? this looks like that again. Edit, I cant even finish This is disugusting and I dont feel like posting what im seeing, its not even worth it.

I have a HD download of the vid, before it was pulled, trying to get good screenshots.

# 622 JODYE @ 08/22/12 03:23 PM

Well, the faces look good lol

Player models are really poor.

# 623 jreezy18 @ 08/22/12 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain816


	R.I.P. NBA LIVE......This **** is trash. no matter what build this was....2ks build looks better. the live offices should be shut down and locked up forever #truth I stand by my post. IM NOT MAD at Live cuz i expected this game to be trash. game has been bad since game next gen era. but they give live users hope and i dont like that. how is nhl so good but nba and madden(up til this yr) look this bad. everyone that workeds on nba live should be laid off without pay.....hate all u want....i speak truth

Truth? Nah bro that's just uncalled for. You don't like the game so you think people deserve to lose their job. There's no truth in there, just personal opinion. Regardless of the unified banner that is the EA name different people are working on different EA games. The people that work on NHL just know hockey well enough to offer a satisfying experience. That isn't the case with NBA Live. NBA Live was only an acceptable basketball game when the expectations of how a basketball game should play were low because of technological limitations. Come this generation that's no longer the case but NBA Live up until NBA Live 10, to some extent, still played with that jerky arcade feel. No one their deserves to be fired because the problem they have is easily rectified. Just take some time, learn what is expected of simulation video game basketball at this point in time, and come back and give gamers the competition between the NBA Live series and NBA 2K series that they deserve. All they need to do is take good hard look at real basketball and a good hard look at the competition. Diligent study of the game is all that's needed here.

# 624 jwtucker710 @ 08/22/12 03:30 PM

I don't think that's the actual build of LIVE 13. Apparently, a lot of interest in LIVE 13 from all the responses. Good or bad. I think we all know that EA makes good sports games (or can), and the LIVE series had some good versions. NHL 13 looks amazing, as well as Madden and FIFA. I have a hard time believing EA would develop a half-a__ basketball sim. Don't trust this video. Probably a smoke screen of sorts. That said, it's killing me on the status of it. 2K13 has over a dozen screen shots and a few videos. At this point, nothing about the game, so I am presuming it will be delayed. Until I hear it from EA, do not feel like they are going to cancel it.

# 625 btrapp @ 08/22/12 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by noshun


	I have a HD download of the vid, before it was pulled, trying to get good screenshots.

The sad look on Mario's face let's us know how he feels about the game. Cheer up Mario, you'll play better in the other game.

# 626 Kobe321 @ 08/22/12 03:32 PM

if Ea Sports say is truth we can find a better product than this? Really i dont think they have cancelled a videogame and they take 2 YEARS to make a competition to 2k? No guys the gameplay is really poor .But I keep faith to EA and i wanna to try the demo to decide to the best basketball game. So guys what you think

# 627 h2h @ 08/22/12 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jwtucker710


	I don't think that's the actual build of LIVE 13. Apparently, a lot of interest in LIVE 13 from all the responses. Good or bad. I think we all know that EA makes good sports games (or can), and the LIVE series had some good versions. NHL 13 looks amazing, as well as Madden and FIFA. I have a hard time believing EA would develop a half-a__ basketball sim. Don't trust this video. Probably a smoke screen of sorts. That said, it's killing me on the status of it. 2K13 has over a dozen screen shots and a few videos. At this point, nothing about the game, so I am presuming it will be delayed. Until I hear it from EA, do not feel like they are going to cancel it.

# 628 jreezy18 @ 08/22/12 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jwtucker710


	I don't think that's the actual build of LIVE 13. Apparently, a lot of interest in LIVE 13 from all the responses. Good or bad. I think we all know that EA makes good sports games (or can), and the LIVE series had some good versions. NHL 13 looks amazing, as well as Madden and FIFA. I have a hard time believing EA would develop a half-a__ basketball sim. Don't trust this video. Probably a smoke screen of sorts. That said, it's killing me on the status of it. 2K13 has over a dozen screen shots and a few videos. At this point, nothing about the game, so I am presuming it will be delayed. Until I hear it from EA, do not feel like they are going to cancel it.

That sentence about having a hard time believing EA would develop a half-a_ basketball sim is definitely sarcasm. I thought you were serious until that sentence. The "smoke screen" part was funny as well.

# 629 Pared @ 08/22/12 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by btrapp


	More like nba live is dead. Until 2k actually stops trying to improve there game (and there's no evidence that they will), basketball gamers will always have a good option to play. Also, this isn't like the football situation where 2k has an exclusive license or anything like that. Another company could always come along and start a new nba franchise if EA drops out of the game.

You're preaching to the choir.

It doesn't matter if 2k keeps trying to improve or not - without competition there is a lack of innovation. Simply because all it takes is one simple feature or control scheme that someone hadn't thought of before to create something new and fresh. The more players in the game, the more chance this will happen.

# 630 King_B_Mack @ 08/22/12 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pared


	You're preaching to the choir. It doesn't matter if 2k keeps trying to improve or not - without competition there is a lack of innovation. Simply because all it takes is one simple feature or control scheme that someone hadn't thought of before to create something new and fresh. The more players in the game, the more chance this will happen.

You have a solid point, but there has to be a better way to word that. Live hasn't been competition for 2K for quite some time now and we've seen innovation. We've seen new things. Saying it like that makes it seem like the other guys are just sitting around doing nothing or something.

# 631 Jukeman @ 08/22/12 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by King_B_Mack


	You have a solid point, but there has to be a better way to word that. Live hasn't been competition for 2K for quite some time now and we've seen innovation. We've seen new things. Saying it like that makes it seem like the other guys are just sitting around doing nothing or something.

I think at this point 2K is comparing themselves to MLB The Show. Lol

I could be wrong but I remember reading articles of them mentioning that game in the past. I dont think I ever heard those guys mention Live unless its Mike Wang comparing.

Edit- I believe that is why we have the presentation we have now in 2k because they liked what The Show was doing in that category.

# 632 authentic @ 08/22/12 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by King_B_Mack


	You have a solid point, but there has to be a better way to word that. Live hasn't been competition for 2K for quite some time now and we've seen innovation. We've seen new things. Saying it like that makes it seem like the other guys are just sitting around doing nothing or something.

I wouldn't say Live hasn't been competition for quite some time. 2k actually took the isomotion feature that was in Live. 2k probably has re-done it and made it better, but it was still a Live feature. Live had a couple things going for the series in '10, but it was scrapped. I don't think Live would be leading the industry today, but I think they'd be far better off if they never started all over. Another thing, Elite was bragging about their real time physics, which never panned out really, the next year, 2k introduces real time physics.

Once again, 2k is the premier basketball game, and will be for the rest of this generation. Hopefully Live can get going again somewhat, because like Pared said, the more companies making a specific game, there's more ideas or features that can be implemented.

# 633 StankonYa @ 08/22/12 04:49 PM

At this point I don't see why EA won't just put out a full fledged arcade style game. Make it fun.
Make it appear to look like a sim from a casual fans perspective. It would be nice if EA expanded and improved upon Live 07's control scheme IMO.

# 634 Pared @ 08/22/12 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by King_B_Mack


	You have a solid point, but there has to be a better way to word that. Live hasn't been competition for 2K for quite some time now and we've seen innovation. We've seen new things. Saying it like that makes it seem like the other guys are just sitting around doing nothing or something.

Fair enough; you can argue that but evolution is not innovation.

While this isn't the 2k forum, it was many of Live's failures that setup 2k to release a feature that was well done. I can point back to this for years.

Now imagine how many of those items would NOT be in 2k if it weren't for Live failing.

The competing product doesn't have to be solid. But it needs to be there at least trying.

# 635 bigdoc85 @ 08/22/12 04:59 PM

Okay -- this whole thing doesn't make sense to me. 22cedric puts this up (which I still question his agenda). EA takes it down based on intellectual property rights. EA releases a statement. Everyone has a field day commenting on how bad it is. Now the video is back up? What the heck is going on? This must be part of the disruptive marketing strategy.

# 636 barimanlhs @ 08/22/12 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pared


	Fair enough; you can argue that but evolution is not innovation. While this isn't the 2k forum, it was many of Live's failures that setup 2k to release a feature that was well done. I can point back to this for years. Now imagine how many of those items would NOT be in 2k if it weren't for Live failing. The competing product doesn't have to be solid. But it needs to be there at least trying.

I think it should also be pointed out that without Mike Wang we wouldnt have the very comparible LIve 10 NOR would we have had the jump from 2k10 to 11, and what appears to be 2k12 to 13. So while 2k is using things introduced in Live, really it is Mike revamping and improving on his own elements.

I will say it was quite interesting when there were 3 NBA games. 1 was god awful, the others were average to good. I do find it odd that 2k has gotten exponetinally better with the lack of competition. Based on other games (Madden...) I would think that it would stay stale.

It really is a connundrum, competition usually brings out the best of all parties, good or bad, and the best usually wins out. And that has happened but 2k hasnt stopped improving basically disproving the point that competition fuels innovation or improvement.

# 637 Jukeman @ 08/22/12 05:07 PM

The way 2ksports games have been falling, I dont think 2ksports can afford to slack off and not innovate. EASports on the other hand can "slack off" with Madden for many reasons we already know.

I think the underdog will always go out and prove to the world no matter if the competition is there or not.

2k "sports" only has 1 sports game right now (and Top Spin, lol but didnt EASports buy all the license courts?)

# 638 barimanlhs @ 08/22/12 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jukeman


	By the way 2k games have been falling, I dont think 2k can afford to slack off and not innovate. EA on the other hand can "slack off" with Madden for many reasons we already know.

Perhaps this is why 2k has done so well with basketball. There is no official licence so anyone, at any time, can come in and potentially steal the throne. Where as football, you can make a game about football but without the official teams and players its nearly impossible to bring that mass crowd, no matter how much better the game may play or look.

The licencing is the end all be all for sports games and luckily the NBA has it right where they want anyone to make a game as long as it properly represents the sport and doesnt paint the NBA as a negative.

I wonder, could they build live off of the NBA Street Homecourt engine? The players moved very well and although there is no regard for physics it could be easily implimented or tweaked (id assume, I dont know the whole process)

# 639 CMH @ 08/22/12 05:33 PM

It's a good convo, but let's stop talking about 2K in this thread.

The thread is to discuss (unfortunately) the quality of the Live video.

# 640 Crimsontide27 @ 08/22/12 05:53 PM

Im going to be very cautious with what I say here as I value my paychecks. Having said that, this was not a pre-alpha build and was actually in fact what was planned to be released as a demo.

The reason this video was not released is because of what exactly happened here, the game just isnt good and the backlash gets all the negative attention. When the game was actually shown at other venues, the response was the same from people inside and outside of the industry. It was during a recent showing that the idea of actually not releasing the title at all and skipping another year was thrown around.

The people that are actively involved in making the game truly feel like it was a superior product and worthy of release, but thats because they basically built the game from the ground up...yet again, and feel a huge accomplishment just getting everything running correctly. I wont get into technical speak, but instead of taking a foundation and trying to improve on it year after year, they try to reinvent the wheel and start fresh each time....which is very time consuming. The only thing I can think of right now to compare it to would be like being giving a task to dig a ditch. You could go out and bust your tail digging with a spoon and work harder than you ever have and accomplish nothing...but your coworker grabs a bulldozer and completes the project with no hard work...just using their head.

The way you can tell that the video you are not seeing is "pre-alpha" is by the font in the menus, the colors were wrong actually on the Thunder if I remember correctly , the entire presentation package is in etc....this was actually a build that was further along than the one shown at the recent conventions and shows...and I do believe some community guys got an opportunity to see it , but had to sign confidentiality agreements.

What hurts the most is when you work very hard to make something, and then everyone tears it down. Morale around EA is not very high right now. You have people being moved from project to project...you have some being relocated to different studios in different cities, you have knowledge that some franchises are actually slated to be cut out completely , you have the knowledge that the company is actually being shopped out and has a potential buyer in the background , you dont know if you are going to be employed this time next year...etc ..etc...etc...

Some may say its the nature of the turf, but the decsions that are made are not made by the majority of the rank and file employee, its by upper management that has no clue about how and why people play games....its about the bottom line. Cut costs as much as possible, release as little as an upgrade as possible, and release it and just count profit is their motto.

I mentioned in a post a long time ago about a meeting about MLB The Show. Probably one of the best represented sports titles to date, but yet has declining sales every year. The game is so good, that many dont buy the next years iteration....and thats the mentality at EA....dont release a product that has very little faults, as it wont sell the next year. Why do you think youve not seen many PC releases of sports titles? Their are arm chair devs out there that will spend their time for free to update those titles and keep them ahead of what is being released.

What you are seeing now is the decline of a video game giant that is being run by people that only care about the bottom line ...WHILE they are there, and nothing more. They are not looking at it as a long term venture, more like....."I plan on retiring in 5 years, so lets make as much profit as possible...and worry about damage to our brands later, since I wont be here to deal with it" Or at least thats the mentality.

Its a small industry, many people know others outside their own studios and as such rumors run about. You have PopCap, that was recently bought for $1billion and produced some great titles, but now employees are on the chopping block...you have Westwood studios that has lost people left and right, you have Origin and Maxis losing people....and the big elephant in the room was Bioware.....who have lost almost half their staff.

The people losing their jobs are not the ones that make descions, its the worker bees who just do what they are told.

After several key people left from another prominent team left and formed their own company not too long ago, others took notice. They can get their independent freedom back by making tablet games and avoid the corporate atmosphere where they are dogged daily by their consumers.

Bad decsions after bad decsions have left a void where great people used to work, its a changed enviroment and recently quality has reflected that.

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