10:26 AM - June 29, 2012 by Steve_OS
Check out some of the new NHL 13 screenshots, featuring dynamic goalies.
NHL 13 arrives in stores on September 11th.
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10:26 AM - June 29, 2012 by Steve_OSCheck out some of the new NHL 13 screenshots, featuring dynamic goalies.
NHL 13 arrives in stores on September 11th.
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Except from the two pads stack poke check and one-knee paddle down in the middle of the net, I don't see anything different from an NHL 12 pic. Maybe I'm just missing something here.
I'll get excited when seeing more of how the goalies play when a HUMAN controls them and most important, how the Dynamic Goalies play out in certain situations.
Until then, unless I'm missing something, I'm not head over heals about those.
I'll get excited when seeing more of how the goalies play when a HUMAN controls them and most important, how the Dynamic Goalies play out in certain situations.
Until then, unless I'm missing something, I'm not head over heals about those.
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It's not my fault, it's EA's fault if I'm taking everything with a "caution flag" before saying it's out of the park. They deserve that skepticism with the way they worked for the last 3 years. Even more after saying that NHL 13 was the year they put the more work in the AI programming.
I go back to the Letang-Zetterberg video of last summer when they entertained the fact that the players we're now playing according to where the puck should be instead of reacting to the play. It was really impressive in the video, but the translation in the game itself was non-existent.
The goalies could make a back flip and end-up sitting on the cross bar in a pic, it won't matter if the AI is as poor it was in NHL 12. Show me a pic where a goalie plays the puck and don't take a penalty for playing it outside the trapezoid. You'll get me interested! ;-)
I saw ALL SORTS of goalie animations when I played at E3. Have no worries about that. I'm talkin' limbs moving in all sorts of directions, making it look absolutely realistic. Don't think anyone will have to worry there.
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I really hope that they can fix this for next year if it isn't somewhat fixed this year. All I want is for the goalie to actually look like a real goalie would move.
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I like that they are focusing on goalies moving all their limbs, but making them move at a realistic rate is not nit picking when movement and reaction is the biggest part to goaltending. They cover up the goalies not making glitch goal saves by making goalies move at warp speed across the crease. That's not how it should be.
I hope the puck "plays" to it's actual size. There's a lot of those animations where the puck could go in 5 hole. A lot of times in NHL 12 goalies stopped a lot of shots cleanly and the ones that went in were like magic bullets going through people. It seemed like the puck played bigger than it was, if that makes any sense.
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jesushaxyou @ 06/30/12 01:13 PM
I may or may not shoot myself if that is the case, Rogie. Human goalies need an overhaul. No way it can be ignored AGAIN.
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gopher_guy @ 06/30/12 02:13 PM
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I'd guess it's around 5-10%...
There are just more pressing issues with the game.
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stuff like the goalie issues etc above, not nitpicking.
most realistic game right?
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gopher_guy @ 06/30/12 02:40 PM
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I'm just saying there are more pressing issues than mo-capping a bunch of goalies and trying to make their movements in game look more realistic.
Just an opinion, cool your jets.
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Anyways the goalies in this game don't really need more animations, I think they just need better AI. I was pretty satisfied with the save attempts in NHL 12.
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phillyfan23 @ 06/30/12 02:54 PM
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they even had this in nhl 2k8. not nitpicky at all considering scoring goals is the meat of a hockey game.
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EA needs to give some love to goalies and defensemen instead of mostly focusing on scoring. That's not what hockey is all about. These positions are so hard to play in NHL 12. I'm tired of being a defenseman and poke-checking and stick-lifting the hell out of a forward only to have him retain control of the puck somehow. It's like, I may as well not even have a stick sometimes. I know they were trying to tout their new hitting engine but I prefer playing the puck, in most cases.
I gave up on holding LT and getting in passing lanes. That doesn't even work most of the time. Mind you, I have my D-man set up with 99 defensive awareness and stick-checking.
Clipping is a serious issue too that negatively affects the gameplay. I see way too many goals go in because a forwards stick clips through the goalie and the net. It happens a lot on wraparounds.
I agree with a few here who have said that goalies need an overhaul. One of my huge pet peeves is the robotic skating. When I come out to play the puck, he doesn't skate like a real goalie. The clunkiness makes it really hard to play the puck properly. I would like to see something where, when the puck is coming around the boards and behind the net, you can press one button and your goalie GLIDES around the net to play it, and as soon as you play it, he automatically GLIDES back around to the front of the net.
Also, EA needs to work on the post-hugging. Coming on and off the post needs to feel less like a magnet and more organic. It's very hard to stop one-time passes from behind the net with the way it is now. Last but not least; what is it with so many pucks magically finding their way past the goalie. Is it 99 offensive awareness? Does that automatically make pucks squeeze through near impossible gaps? It's really frustrating when you have a good angle on a shooter and the puck still manages to get by somehow. I watch the replays and think, "There is no way that puck should have went in."
Anyway, I'm done rambling. Despite it's flaws, EA produces great hockey games.
I gave up on holding LT and getting in passing lanes. That doesn't even work most of the time. Mind you, I have my D-man set up with 99 defensive awareness and stick-checking.
Clipping is a serious issue too that negatively affects the gameplay. I see way too many goals go in because a forwards stick clips through the goalie and the net. It happens a lot on wraparounds.
I agree with a few here who have said that goalies need an overhaul. One of my huge pet peeves is the robotic skating. When I come out to play the puck, he doesn't skate like a real goalie. The clunkiness makes it really hard to play the puck properly. I would like to see something where, when the puck is coming around the boards and behind the net, you can press one button and your goalie GLIDES around the net to play it, and as soon as you play it, he automatically GLIDES back around to the front of the net.
Also, EA needs to work on the post-hugging. Coming on and off the post needs to feel less like a magnet and more organic. It's very hard to stop one-time passes from behind the net with the way it is now. Last but not least; what is it with so many pucks magically finding their way past the goalie. Is it 99 offensive awareness? Does that automatically make pucks squeeze through near impossible gaps? It's really frustrating when you have a good angle on a shooter and the puck still manages to get by somehow. I watch the replays and think, "There is no way that puck should have went in."
Anyway, I'm done rambling. Despite it's flaws, EA produces great hockey games.
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On saying that you enjoy playing it because it's fun, for me, it's the exact opposite. I play it because it's the only hockey game available on the market, because I'm an hockey addict and lover and because I need my fix no matter what. I can put NHL on the shelve for a week, you can be sure I'll start hitching toward it just to play a few games.
Knowing that my craving for hockey is that bad, I try everything possible to have a great time and close my eyes to obvious situations that aren't making sense with this game. I've played a game few hours ago and I should have but I didn't, took 4-5 videos of example of what's wrong with this game. I was on the verge of swinging the DVD by the window and sey to EA : "Go F*** Yourselves, I won't buy that game anymore." Then I go play another game for 1-2 hours, and my hitching for hockey, trying something else to make that game works, starts again.
Maybe goalies movement is asking a lot from a game development team, but they are making miracles all over the place with the game, but in other area, this is so bad, it's tough to accept. I've said once and will say it again. Until proven differently, EA's guy maybe a hell of a team on the programming side, but hockey wise, they are terrible. Proof of that is that the AI so well programmed on the computing side that it's making almost the same thing every game. On the hockey side, it's so bad that these things they are programmed to do makes the game tough to enjoy.
To be honest Realm, I don't care that much about those stats not beeing that close to reality, not caring much about the fact the AI CPU trade logic is bad as long when you play the game, the players play like they're suppose to play. If they aren't, you can provide us with what you want for menus, systems, etc. it won't matter since what most guys want is not the goodies, but a game that reflects what we are seeing on TV (to some extent, I should say).
What I'm seeing and try to blind my eyes from for the last 9 months isn't near what I saw on the ice for the Stanley Cup Playoffs. Offensively, this game isn't that bad. Defensively, it's a joke (with the voice of Jeremy Roenick) and in net, it's a parjury.
Just my two cents.
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ComaFaction @ 07/01/12 11:16 AM
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ComaFaction @ 07/01/12 02:34 PM
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I'm not saying you will or won't see what you want, but I believe that was the context of those statements.
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Now for Rogie he plays as the goalie if I'm not mistaken so obviously this affects him as well.
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In NHL 92 (yep, 20 years ago) we had our first hockey game from EA. There was not many mode, graphics we're great at the time for a video game, it was fun, we didn't ask for much since it was the first one.
Then, the game started to expend with the years. Seasons and Playoffs, Stats, Trophies, Lines, Create a team, etc. Things we're implemented in the game, and taken out year after. There was more and more problems, but modes and goodies increased, increased, and continue to increased.
I remember, in NHL 08, there was few modes but online was versus and that's it. Funny enough that in NHL 98, you could have GM connected online in a league and it's a brand new thing in NHL 13. Anyway, that wasn't the point. Matter of fact is that instead of saying : "That's enough for modes offering, there plenty to be happy with" the company, looking at new cows to milk, decided to go toward Be a Pro, EAUHL and EASHL. These three modes together should have taken more then there share of time on the team, making the other modes completely stalled.
I'm not saying that Be a Pro isn't a good mode, that UHL isn't a good addition neither is EASHL. My only grief is that, if you say that the console as it's limitation and they only have 10 months to develop the game, why don't they concentrate on making the product the most flawless in years. They even can afford not offering not much new goodies, they don't have an opponent to put the game in trouble.
Like I said, we're responsible because we buy the game year in year out, we played it from one cover to the other, and most reviews are giving the game a 8.5 to 9 every september. The real grades should be the ones we gave when we washed up this game, late june when the NHL seasons end.
As for myself, the 8 I gave to the game in september after few weeks would be a 6.5 now. To all the great things this game as to offer, the flaws of the AI in the game kills it more than in previous years. We don't ask for perfection, but I wouldn't accept a guy having the talent of Sidney Crosby to play like Sean Avery. And that's exactly what EA did with NHL 12.
Note to myself : Go read what you just type and ask yourself why you still play the game. Because you're an idiot!
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