01:18 PM - July 8, 2011 by CRMosier_LM
Justin Dewiel, Community Manager of Madden NFL, has made a post on the EA Forums detailing the current status and future of Online Franchise in Madden NFL 12.
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Madden 12 News Post
01:18 PM - July 8, 2011 by CRMosier_LMJustin Dewiel, Community Manager of Madden NFL, has made a post on the EA Forums detailing the current status and future of Online Franchise in Madden NFL 12.
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It is good that they brought it up now so that the Online Franchise only folks can save their money and not later on feel like they were hoodwinked. They told us last year about no improvements to Offline Franchise, so it was an easy decision for me to not buy M12. Disappointment but no anger, they made their design decisions, and dealt with the consequences of those choices without obfuscation. That all you can really hope for.
Yes online franchise has been severely neglected for the last couple of years, but going forward from now, I think that modes will always have a heavy year, light year cycle, and many of us may choose to not buy the game in the year where our preferred mode is "light".
The one thing that I don't think will be skimped on in any year any more, is gameplay. I feel like Cam Weber and Roy Harvey are committed to making solid improvements in that area every single year.
Yes online franchise has been severely neglected for the last couple of years, but going forward from now, I think that modes will always have a heavy year, light year cycle, and many of us may choose to not buy the game in the year where our preferred mode is "light".
The one thing that I don't think will be skimped on in any year any more, is gameplay. I feel like Cam Weber and Roy Harvey are committed to making solid improvements in that area every single year.
What a joke. They wonder why it is the most under used feature, when it is barely functional, as is.
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bigbuddah180 @ 07/08/11 05:20 PM
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GrandMaster B @ 07/08/11 05:21 PM
I wonder if this July 25th announcement is another online feature where you will need to get micro-transactioned to death in order to keep up
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I tend to believe the article in that they let this info out now so people could vent and not take away from whatever they plan to announce on the 25th.
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rocky00001 @ 07/08/11 05:38 PM
I havent went without buying madden since the first one that they made way back in the day for SNES. This year i might have to skip it. all i do is play online dynasties. This is a complete buzz kill for me
I feel for the OF folks about not recieving any upgrades. Same thing happened last year with Offline FM.
At the very least, they are being honest and upfront about both. They came through with Offline Franchise this year like they said they would. I wouldn't see any different with OF for next year.
I think what may have happened is when Roy Harvey came over from NCAA, he might have said, "we can do better than that."
Would you like it if OF offered a few options that were half-baked or do you want a fully optimized OF under the direction of Roy Harvey?
I'm glad they waited the extra year for offline franchise, hopefully the same holds true for online franchise next year.
At the very least, they are being honest and upfront about both. They came through with Offline Franchise this year like they said they would. I wouldn't see any different with OF for next year.
I think what may have happened is when Roy Harvey came over from NCAA, he might have said, "we can do better than that."
Would you like it if OF offered a few options that were half-baked or do you want a fully optimized OF under the direction of Roy Harvey?
I'm glad they waited the extra year for offline franchise, hopefully the same holds true for online franchise next year.
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SteelerSpartan @ 07/08/11 05:47 PM
If the online announcement is going to be Custom Online Sliders/Settings...that would be a nice addition.....I was really freaking ticked off when Fight Night lied about there being Custom Gym
Sliders.....All sports games should have this, it lets people enjoy the games their way
I can count the number of online games Ive played of Madden Online since 06 on my hands......Being able to log into an "Official Operation Sports Lobby" or something where all games are played on pre-approved OS Slider/Settings...might get me back into the mix
Yeah the Online Franchise is a bummer, but if DPP and the other Franchise improvements actually work and function well, then I can forgive a little
Sliders.....All sports games should have this, it lets people enjoy the games their way
I can count the number of online games Ive played of Madden Online since 06 on my hands......Being able to log into an "Official Operation Sports Lobby" or something where all games are played on pre-approved OS Slider/Settings...might get me back into the mix
Yeah the Online Franchise is a bummer, but if DPP and the other Franchise improvements actually work and function well, then I can forgive a little
Should of sacrificed Superstar mode to work on Online Franchise....
Not sure what the reveal is going to be for online later this month, but it will probably be underwhelming. In the initial madden teaser, there was some type of gamecast picture so its likely going to be that which is not a big deal to me considering it will not be implemented across the board. Im guessing it will be for 3 v 3 team play...
Sad, new generation of consoles coming in a couple years and the cycle will continue itself when they strip down the game again...
Not sure what the reveal is going to be for online later this month, but it will probably be underwhelming. In the initial madden teaser, there was some type of gamecast picture so its likely going to be that which is not a big deal to me considering it will not be implemented across the board. Im guessing it will be for 3 v 3 team play...
Sad, new generation of consoles coming in a couple years and the cycle will continue itself when they strip down the game again...
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DaggerSwagger @ 07/08/11 05:57 PM
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bigbuddah180 @ 07/08/11 06:02 PM
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***steps out of lurkdom***
I was going to refrain from commenting... mainly, b/c at this point it feels somewhat helpless to do so...
However, if the most my post will do is add to this thread... the number of Madden players who feel letdown with this news... then it's done it's job.
After reading several peoples opinions...
Here's my stance...
1. If you don't play online franchise or franchise in general... please refrain from adding your two cents about "not giving a damn..." ...when Superstar mode, online co-op mode, etc... were what you banged the drum for... we supported that cause. Support ours.
2. I've always shook my head at Madden's "attract more users with easier gameplay" marketing the past few years... This is the same game that began with Madden stating if it didn't have 11 v 11... he wasn't signing up for it. Watering down the game isn't what made it famous... Being sim did. Thus, to that point... having the same lackluster... PlaySkool-toy like FA, Draft & Trading deal off-season for the past 3 years is pathetic.
3. "tight schedule of an annual development cycle" - This is complete BS... My occupation is a Process Improvement (PI) consultant... I've worked with several companies auditing their coding life-cycles. When you're the ONLY video game for the BIGGEST sport in the WEALTHIEST nation... You make time. Even if this "tight schedule" is a reality... EASPORTS has the means to throw more resources at this and get the job done. If small code teams in DC can implement major infrastructure changes that impact the SEC (aka how Wall Street operates...) Surely, EASPORTS can get some coders to solely focus on replicating offline franchise to online franchise. Especially, when there's a damn case study in the same umbrella... see: NCAA Dynasty.
4. Can we please stop touting the new gameplay updates at as "features"... these things are called "bug fixes" people. Whenever a product is doing something it shouldn't do or unexpected, it is called a "bug". When you address those bugs ("suction blocking")... they are fixes... Not gameplay "enhancements".
5. Lastly... a message from 30+ crew... Look... Most of us grew up playing Madden... in elementary & middle school... our friends came over and we played hours on end in Madden 93/94/95... etc. Then we went to HS... we still played... just not as long and more independently. Went to college and it was back to the middle lifestyle (lol)... hours on end... with friends over sharing an "offline" franchise. Now... we're older... some have kids... some have wives... some just plain ole have jobs to worry about. The few moments we have to enjoy our friends is via Xbox Live... and it would be nice if we talk smack during the work day... or haggle each other over trades and draft position much like we do with fantasy football. And that's why myself and others are disappointed... True... it may not matter b/c it doesn't impact the game directly... However, Madden appears to be overlooking the indirect impact... The hours people can be talking about the game... while away from the game. Trades... FA... Division winners... Salary Cap... all good stuff away from the game is what is being left out.
...it seems the only folks "Ok" with this news is folks who could care less about the mode... and the "leaguemanager" folks... and quite frankly... I don't have time to learn and maintain that leaguemanager mess... along with my NCAA Dynasty...
I can only choose one... NCAA 12 Dynasty... it is... again.
Thanks.
***Back to Lurkdom***
EDIT: League Manager was unfairly tarnished in my rant... I, however, left it in... mainly, to portray my general disgust with the news of no updates to online franchise. ;-)
I was going to refrain from commenting... mainly, b/c at this point it feels somewhat helpless to do so...
However, if the most my post will do is add to this thread... the number of Madden players who feel letdown with this news... then it's done it's job.
After reading several peoples opinions...
Here's my stance...
1. If you don't play online franchise or franchise in general... please refrain from adding your two cents about "not giving a damn..." ...when Superstar mode, online co-op mode, etc... were what you banged the drum for... we supported that cause. Support ours.
2. I've always shook my head at Madden's "attract more users with easier gameplay" marketing the past few years... This is the same game that began with Madden stating if it didn't have 11 v 11... he wasn't signing up for it. Watering down the game isn't what made it famous... Being sim did. Thus, to that point... having the same lackluster... PlaySkool-toy like FA, Draft & Trading deal off-season for the past 3 years is pathetic.
3. "tight schedule of an annual development cycle" - This is complete BS... My occupation is a Process Improvement (PI) consultant... I've worked with several companies auditing their coding life-cycles. When you're the ONLY video game for the BIGGEST sport in the WEALTHIEST nation... You make time. Even if this "tight schedule" is a reality... EASPORTS has the means to throw more resources at this and get the job done. If small code teams in DC can implement major infrastructure changes that impact the SEC (aka how Wall Street operates...) Surely, EASPORTS can get some coders to solely focus on replicating offline franchise to online franchise. Especially, when there's a damn case study in the same umbrella... see: NCAA Dynasty.
4. Can we please stop touting the new gameplay updates at as "features"... these things are called "bug fixes" people. Whenever a product is doing something it shouldn't do or unexpected, it is called a "bug". When you address those bugs ("suction blocking")... they are fixes... Not gameplay "enhancements".
5. Lastly... a message from 30+ crew... Look... Most of us grew up playing Madden... in elementary & middle school... our friends came over and we played hours on end in Madden 93/94/95... etc. Then we went to HS... we still played... just not as long and more independently. Went to college and it was back to the middle lifestyle (lol)... hours on end... with friends over sharing an "offline" franchise. Now... we're older... some have kids... some have wives... some just plain ole have jobs to worry about. The few moments we have to enjoy our friends is via Xbox Live... and it would be nice if we talk smack during the work day... or haggle each other over trades and draft position much like we do with fantasy football. And that's why myself and others are disappointed... True... it may not matter b/c it doesn't impact the game directly... However, Madden appears to be overlooking the indirect impact... The hours people can be talking about the game... while away from the game. Trades... FA... Division winners... Salary Cap... all good stuff away from the game is what is being left out.
...it seems the only folks "Ok" with this news is folks who could care less about the mode... and the "leaguemanager" folks... and quite frankly... I don't have time to learn and maintain that leaguemanager mess... along with my NCAA Dynasty...
I can only choose one... NCAA 12 Dynasty... it is... again.
Thanks.
***Back to Lurkdom***
EDIT: League Manager was unfairly tarnished in my rant... I, however, left it in... mainly, to portray my general disgust with the news of no updates to online franchise. ;-)
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bigbuddah180 @ 07/08/11 06:09 PM
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bigbuddah180 @ 07/08/11 06:11 PM
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I scoured the FAQs and other sources... to see how it was done... couldn't find anything directly. Maybe it's b/c its that simple.
I'd love to see a how-to... so I can take advantage of this.
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bigbuddah180 @ 07/08/11 06:16 PM
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This honestly went from day one purchase to never purchasing
Online Franchise is the only thing I play on Madden and they don't even touch it?
Yeah, no thanks.
Online Franchise is the only thing I play on Madden and they don't even touch it?
Yeah, no thanks.
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This right here is exactly why the M/O of intentionally leaving the game incomplete to keep the masses coming back the following year does not work. People skip and don't come back.Last year... was the 1st year, I've ever returned Madden back within the launch month... and I've played Madden each year since 92.
Now, I may not even buy they game... and stick with NCAA 12.
I think the gameplay looks great (well, better than last years, I'll say)... but it won't do me much good if I'm unable to sucker one of my friends into trading McNabb for one of their 2nd round picks.
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bigbuddah180 @ 07/08/11 06:26 PM
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Ok, so a 1 man show can reverse engineer a solution for online franchise owners, but EA can't build it from the ground up in 3 years? They couldn't throw 60k at the problem and hire a competent programmer to only focus on this aspect for a year? They couldn't at least give us what we had 7 years ago on 2k5 with realistic stats, trades, and salary cap?
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