Madden 12 News Post

Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

12:19 AM - June 17, 2011 by illwill10

According to Pastapadre and Kotaku, Phil Frazier (Executive Producer for Madden NFL) is the latest to leave EA Sports Tiburon.

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	"It is currently uncertain where he is headed however two prime possibilities are Row Sham Bow � the new social gaming company started by former Tiburon GM Philip Holt � or the massive social gaming company Zynga which has taken on several former Tiburon employees in the last year."

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# 21 roadman @ 06/17/11 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TheShizNo1


	Doesn't matter. It's gone down hill. He's to blame also. He got old and stale, just like the game. Like a bag of Doritos that's been in the cabinet for too long.

So, if Madden 12 is a great game, you still calling him out?

# 22 bkrich83 @ 06/17/11 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RememberMe12


	I would say he had less to do with it than declining sales because of a stale franchise mode which changed their direction from gimmicks to actual improvements in the game.

LOL. You've got to be kidding.

Everyone is an expert on the inner working of a dev team.

# 23 N51_rob @ 06/17/11 12:51 AM

I wonder if the guys who are replacing Ian and Phil are going to be as accessible as their predecessors? Say what you want about those guys they did interact with the hardcore fan base a lot especially in the development of Madden '10. Which was the last madden I played. I will be picking up '12 but I remember how many little things (like cleats) that the hardcore radiance was able to get into Madden 10, correct sized helmet logos were another. FWIW.

Best of luck to Phil, Ian and the rest of the guys that are leaving.

# 24 jeremym480 @ 06/17/11 12:53 AM

You know my philosophy... Everyone at every job will leave or be replaced someday. So, unless your the owner of the company and plan on selling the company or closing shop, it really doesn't matter. Sure, there may be an adjustment period but, in the end everyone is replaceable.

With that said, good luck in your future endeavors Phil

# 25 bkrich83 @ 06/17/11 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RememberMe12


	And you are?

No, but I've made no claims to be. Nor do I let an agenda override logic on such matters.

# 26 bkrich83 @ 06/17/11 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RememberMe12


	Im sure declining sales didnt change their direction at all then.

Just as I am sure the lead dev didn't either.

Excellent logic. Truly.

# 27 Ian_Cummings @ 06/17/11 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TheShizNo1


	Doesn't matter. It's gone down hill. He's to blame also. He got old and stale, just like the game. Like a bag of Doritos that's been in the cabinet for too long.

Just go away please. You have no idea what you're talking about. 13 years of unwavering dedication, an incredible leader, was a key part of why Madden came to be the megahit game it is today, and you're comparing him to Doritos.

# 28 canes21 @ 06/17/11 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Afrikan


	I'm not going to sugarcoat anything. I'm happy with ALL the changes so far with EA Tiburon. I don't know if anyone was holding anything back or if some left for more money. All I know is I'm looking forward to the future. No need to criticize former employees like some of the Madden fanboys did with David Ortiz. But I understand why some are still bitter with the recent regime.

Well, David Ortiz brought us sexy player models that were on roids. Phil, and Ian too, brought us a game that was much closer to the vision of OS than David ever would have. I appreciate the work Phil(and Ian) did while with EA and even if I was critical on them and the team, they really got Madden back and running again. The series is finally making strides I don't think we'd be seeing without them. I just hope we keep seeing that momentum.

# 29 bkrich83 @ 06/17/11 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by N51_rob


	I wonder if the guys who are replacing Ian and Phil are going to be as accessible as their predecessors? Best of luck to Phil, Ian and the rest of the guys that are leaving.

With the internet Mob Mentality both on forums like these and Twitter would you be?

# 30 bkrich83 @ 06/17/11 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RememberMe12


	So now I have an agenda. LOL. All I have wanted is an improved franchise mode. I will be picking up Madden 12 this year because of it. Just because my opinion differs from you, doesnt mean I have an agenda. People throw the "agenda" word around too much here.

I don't think it started just now. But it's pretty obvious what you are driving at. Logic and facts be damned.

Has nothing to do with my opinion or yours differing from mine.

# 31 Dog @ 06/17/11 12:56 AM

Not going to lie, a little bit worried about Madden's future. Could be wrong though

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# 32 jeremym480 @ 06/17/11 12:56 AM

I like the direction this thread is heading.

Too bad that it's past my bedtime.

# 33 Ian_Cummings @ 06/17/11 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RememberMe12


	I would say he had less to do with it than declining sales because of a stale franchise mode which changed their direction from gimmicks to actual improvements in the game.

Wrong.

10 chars.

# 34 BlueNGold @ 06/17/11 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian_Cummings


	Just go away please. You have no idea what you're talking about. 13 years of unwavering dedication, an incredible leader, was a key part of why Madden came to be the megahit game it is today, and you're comparing him to Doritos.

Hey now, let's not downplay Doritos. They are pretty damn delicious.

# 35 bkrich83 @ 06/17/11 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JNes12


	Not going to lie, a little bit worried about Madden's future. Could be wrong though Sent from my LG Ally using Tapatalk

My concern is that it seems just as this franchise is starting to turn around a lot of the main characters are jumping ship.

I haven't really enjoyed Madden since 2004.. This year is the first year I am really looking forward to it's release. It would be a shame if they lose all this momentum due to personnel attrition.

# 36 BlueNGold @ 06/17/11 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RememberMe12


	No its not. All I wanted was an improved franchise mode. Madden 10 added some cosmetics........which was put above franchise mode. Madden 11 added gameflow..........which was put above franchise mode. But im sure Phil Frazier or Ian Cummings didnt have anything to do with that.

Madden 10 only "added some cosmetics"?

Okay.

# 37 Hooe @ 06/17/11 01:00 AM

Best of luck to Phil in his future endeavors.

# 38 Dog @ 06/17/11 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	My concern is that it seems just as this franchise is starting to turn around a lot of the main characters are jumping ship. I haven't really enjoyed Madden since 2004.. This year is the first year I am really looking forward to it's release. It would be a shame if they lose all this momentum due to personnel attrition.

Yeah that's what I was worried about as well

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# 39 bkrich83 @ 06/17/11 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RememberMe12


	No its not. All I wanted was an improved franchise mode. Madden 10 added some cosmetics........which was put above franchise mode. Madden 11 added gameflow..........which was put above franchise mode. But im sure Phil Frazier or Ian Cummings didnt have anything to do with that.

As I said, what you were driving at is quite apparent. Let's not let facts or common sense get in the way.

# 40 BlueNGold @ 06/17/11 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RememberMe12


	yea, new cut scenes and hand towels etc etc.

This just goes to show you really don't know what you're talking about.

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