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One more nugget from the Cowen and Company piece is that Madden sales are in fact down 18% year over year for the month of October:

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"Even with disappointments for NHL 11 and Medal of Honor, EA's software sales grew 17 percent year over year in October. EA Sports MMA sold 45,000 units, and the Madden NFL franchise is down 18 percent year over year."

If you recall, I predicted in a blog post back in late August ('Are Madden Sales Slipping?') that Madden sales would probably end up down even after initial reports showed the game's sales were up 12% back in August. But an 18% drop was far more than I ever expected, that's nearly a 1/5 cut in top-line revenue from one of EA's biggest franchises on a Y-o-Y basis. If the trend continues, Madden sales could end up down substantially with the all-important Winter Shopping Season approaching.

That's incredibly bad news.

There is a lot of speculation as to why sales have slowed so much so fast, but I believe the reasons are the same now as I initially thought back then: consumers aren't impressed with the direction of the Madden series with so many other options for them to partake in. The longevity of the game is definitely in question and the word of mouth factor seems to be non-existent this year.

This is easily a referendum on the direction of the direction of the series, especially if trends continue to hold through December. I initially thought there wouldn't be much panic from the suits at EA, but this was before the Elite Fiasco hit the world, so now you can never be too careful when trying to prognosticate what EA might do next.

No doubt the decision makers at EA know exactly about the slip in sales of the Madden franchise, which are slowing substantially moreso than previous years after being on store shelves. So whatever panic decisions/reshuffling you would expect have probably already been made in some regards, although some may not be made until the Christmas shopping season is over. There is definitely increasing pressure on the Madden team to perform, and if sales do come in flat to somewhat down there could be some changes to the gameplan going forward.

This is definitely not good news for gamers who have liked the direction of Madden for the past couple of years if this trend holds into the Christmas shopping season. Also just as alarming is Madden's shrinking sales to the hardcore gamers on the top platforms, with sales down between 30% and 40% depending on how you calculate game sales and from whom from it's high in the middle of the last decade.

This is an interesting story we'll continue to follow. In the meantime, do you think we'll see some big changes in the direction for Madden NFL 12?

[ Update ] It's not clear whether Cowen and Company's analyst was commenting on the entire sales volume from Aug-Oct or just in the Month of October. Either way, that would only slightly give the news a bit less negativity for EA -- but it'd still be very negative news. We'll keep on this story.

[ Update #2 ] After analyzing the data and receiving word from a few trusted analysts this is definitely a Monthly drop from last October of 18%. This means after Madden sales started out on a rush, they have plummeted as the product has stayed on store shelves. The real test will be the Christmas shopping season. Roughly 30% of Madden's sales come from Christmas-time sales. If sales are still down substantially in November and then December, things could get ugly for EA. As it is right now though, this is a sharp drop worth watching. Edited the original article to reflect these clarifications.

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# 81 PVarck31 @ 11/18/10 01:33 AM
There are so many factors in play here, but the whole simplifying the game just baffles me. What is there to simplify? My 12 year old daughter who has never played a football game in her life can surely learn to push a button to pick a play, push a button to snap the ball, and push a button to throw to a receiver. Oh wait, she doesn't have to pick a play anymore.

Maybe this will be the kick in the pants EA needs. There are so many things that the other sports titles of this generation do that Madden doesn't. Just listen to us for once. We can help you make your sales skyrocket. Stop giving us what you think we want and give us what we do want. Trust me EA, your sales will go through the roof if you do this. 2k Sports built NBA2k11 on that very concept, and look what its done for them. Its a really simple and effective business model in my opinion.
 
# 82 mestevo @ 11/18/10 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by dcsoldier
i don't understand why people don't believe that madden sales are and have been down. when EA ceo comes out during a stock-holders conference and states his disappointment with madden's sale numbers over the last two years and has to look to fifa and medal of honor to save face i do believe that there is enough substance to support the article.
It's not that I have no problem believing one set of numbers is less than the other, but out of context they're nothing more than pandering to the crowd here.
 
# 83 PantherBeast_OS @ 11/18/10 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 31
There are so many factors in play here, but the whole simplifying the game just baffles me. What is there to simplify? My 12 year old daughter who has never played a football game in her life can surely learn to push a button to pick a play, push a button to snap the ball, and push a button to throw to a receiver. Oh wait, she doesn't have to pick a play anymore.

Maybe this will be the kick in the pants EA needs. There are so many things that the other sports titles of this generation do that Madden doesn't. Just listen to us for once. We can help you make your sales skyrocket. Stop giving us what you think we want and give us what we do want. Trust me EA, your sales will go through the roof if you do this. 2k Sports built NBA2k11 on that very concept, and look what its done for them. Its a really simple and effective business model in my opinion.
Well said my friend. All EA has to do is listen to the fans. Simple as that. I just don't think they have caught on yet to that thought right now. Maybe the dropping of madden 11 sales and years before will be the wake up call. But who knows. Question is will EA use the Economy as a excuse to keep using gimmicks and other things to boost sales or will they finally start listening to fans. That will be the question for this coming year madden 12. But again like you said and every other fan has said and is simple. "Listen to the fans and your sales will skyrocket through the roof with no end in site". That's all it will take if EA would just listen to us. But until that happens it's nothing but a pipe dream to us fans.
 
# 84 PVarck31 @ 11/18/10 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by mestevo
It's not that I have no problem believing one set of numbers is less than the other, but out of context they're nothing more than pandering to the crowd here.
When sales have dropped 50% over the past 5-6 years there is a problem no matter how you look at it.
 
# 85 mestevo @ 11/18/10 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Legend Killer
Well said my friend. All EA has to do is listen to the fans. Simple as that. I just don't think they have caught on yet to that thought right now. Maybe the dropping of madden 11 sales and years before will be the wake up call. But who knows. Question is will EA use the Economy as a excuse to keep using gimmicks and other things to boost sales or will they finally start listening to fans. That will be the question for this coming year madden 12. But again like you said and every other fan has said and is simple. "Listen to the fans and your sales will skyrocket through the roof with no end in site". That's all it will take if EA would just listen to us. But until that happens it's nothing but a pipe dream to us fans.
If HD console sales are down single digit % if at all then the economy could certainly be blamed, I don't see why not. What we're not seeing is how much they're also making from DLC, box sales aren't everything.
 
# 86 Joborule @ 11/18/10 01:54 AM
Just copy and pasting here from post I made in the poll thread:

Gotta admit that the drop in sales at this time of the year in comparision to M10 appease to me a bit. Really didn't like how casual focused the game was this year, while there are still many core gameplay fundamentals that needed work that got overlooked. Not to mention the shuning of offline and online franchise mode. Really didn't like the design choice this year. M09 to M10 showed so much promise in the direction this franchise can go. M11 was a very small step forward, or a mis-step even.

Hopefully these numbers give even more incentive in appeasing to the hardcore crowd more and focus on making a good simultation football product. If you acomplish that, then all gaming groups will come. Casual gamers want to play a good and fun game, espeically if it's realistic at the same time that even hardcore gamers can enjoy it. NHL, FIFA, and MLB The Show seem to be pulling this off well.
 
# 87 Aggies7 @ 11/18/10 01:55 AM
I agree pretty simple listen to your fans and provide them the product they want instead of trying to pull in a new crowd.

Edit: and to add to that they need to look at Nascar. Huge growing sport and they try to change it up to bring in new crowd and ratings have dropped off.
 
# 88 mestevo @ 11/18/10 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 31
When sales have dropped 50% over the past 5-6 years there is a problem no matter how you look at it.
Are you comparing lifetime title sales of 06 to 13 weeks of Madden 11 or something? Where'd you possibly come up with 50%?
 
# 89 PVarck31 @ 11/18/10 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by mestevo
Are you comparing lifetime title sales of 06 to 13 weeks of Madden 11 or something? Where'd you possibly come up with 50%?
I'm talking lifetime sales. I read it earlier in this thread. If That's a mistake then my bad.
 
# 90 PVarck31 @ 11/18/10 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by dcsoldier
that number is actually correct.......

madden sales don't have a lifetime....once the next one comes out the old one never gets purchased lol.

has anyone bought a madden 07 lately?

im just clowning around man but statistically its true by comparison that the same time in 05 and 06 madden was pushing twice as many units.
Yes, this is what I meant.
 
# 91 PantherBeast_OS @ 11/18/10 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by dcsoldier
the economy has nothing to do with this........
call of duty just had the record for highest sales in a day......fifa was a complete success and nba 2k11 is becoming one of the highest selling sports titles in 5 years.
Oh I know the economy has nothing to do with this what so ever. I was just saying if EA marketing department will use the economy as a excuse to keep adding gimmicks and other things that no fans ask for or will they finally start listening to us fans. I never did say the economy had anything to do with droping of sales.
 
# 92 mestevo @ 11/18/10 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 31
Yes, this is what I meant.
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Originally Posted by dcsoldier
that number is actually correct.......

madden sales don't have a lifetime....once the next one comes out the old one never gets purchased lol.

has anyone bought a madden 07 lately?

im just clowning around man but statistically its true by comparison that the same time in 05 and 06 madden was pushing twice as many units.
So neither of you think Madden will sell anything between now and the next Madden? That is what is referred to as the lifetime of the title. Here's a comparison to Madden 06... "4-5 years ago"


Madden 06
PS2 4.35
XB1 1.43
NDS 0.25
TOT 6.03

Madden 10
360 2.66
PS3 2.09
PS2 0.90
Wii 0.63
PSP 0.56
TOT 6.84


So where's your 50%?
 
# 93 PantherBeast_OS @ 11/18/10 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by dcsoldier
you are absolutely correct
BTW don't get me mixed up on this Ea not listening so much. Ian and Phil have tryed to listen and tryed their best to give fans some of the things they want in the game. But the Marketing department is what is killing the fans and the DEV. team more then anything to get a good game. Ian and Phil knows what the fans wants. It's just the Marketing department is the people who tell Ian and Phil what to put into the game to draw new fans. So just to make it clear I'm not putting all this on Ian and Phil. They have tryed. It's just the Marketing department that is killing Ian and Phil and fans completely.
 
# 94 PVarck31 @ 11/18/10 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by mestevo
So neither of you think Madden will sell anything between now and the next Madden? That is what is referred to as the lifetime of the title. Here's a comparison to Madden 06... "4-5 years ago"


Madden 06
PS2 4.35
XB1 1.43
NDS 0.25
TOT 6.03

Madden 10
360 2.66
PS3 2.09
PS2 0.90
Wii 0.63
PSP 0.56
TOT 6.84


So where's your 50%?
Like I said, I saw 50% somewhere in this thread. I assumed it was correct, or perhaps I misunderstood. Like I said, if it is not correct then my bad.
 
# 95 RaychelSnr @ 11/18/10 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 31
Like I said, I saw 50% somewhere in this thread. I assumed it was correct, or perhaps I misunderstood. Like I said, if it is not correct then my bad.
From a market share standpoint on the simulation game people worry about here on OS, it's definitely correct except it's not quite 50% like I originally recalled. However, the drop is best guess estimate between 30 - 40% or so considering the top platforms peaked at 6.5 million-ish and the current top simulation platforms are now selling less than five a year on their best year (before that is was less than 4). You could also make the argument that sales are down on a platform by platform basis by as much as 50% or more, if you want to directly compare PlayStation platforms, which I think might be a little silly since people have moved allegiances quite a bit this generation.

It should go without saying that using VGChartz data is hazardous to ones health (and credibility). It's hard to find real raw data though, so it's the best most people have.
 
# 96 RaychelSnr @ 11/18/10 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by mestevo
This is spin for a headline. The original thread was predicated on early reduced pricing by some retailers at release trying to surmise that sales were down, when it's a common practice to have day 1 sales, and prices went back to normal making the entire premise incorrect.

How much of this 18% is still PS2 falloff? There's almost 200k missing units right there YOY using vgchartz data, and they're not going to come close to last year's 900k on that platform.

Also, it's an article about October NPD, I don't see what isn't clear about Madden's YOY or they'd cite an Activision statement for context, the source is still NPD's October data.

Like the first article, this is more a flashy headline than anything of substance.
Will those PS2 sales ever be replaced? With the current hardware base being higher than it was 4-5 years ago, you'd expect sales to follow at least at somewhat of the same pace, they haven't. So no, this is definitely a big deal no matter how you spin it, especially if total sales fall this year after both the PS3 and 360 saw big expansions in market base. A product expanding sales in a rapidly growing market makes sense, a product expanding in sales below where everyone else is expanding much faster doesn't make sense and is cause for alarm.

Look at FIFA for example. In the last 3 years, it's sales have almost doubled on the major platforms while Madden's has grown with the PS3 platform (over double), but the sales have only edged up on the 360 in 3 years (08 - 10) when the 360's hardware base has continued to grow. Thus you see FIFA sales growing at nearly double the rate of Madden this generation. The PS3's hardware base has exploded, thus I don't think it's any surprise anyone's seeing growth on the PS3 FWIW.

However it goes without saying that without any independent way to actually get raw game sales data, everyone's basically drawing conclusions from the same data and it's reliability isn't really all that well known.
 
# 97 buttsakk @ 11/18/10 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by mestevo
Madden 06
PS2 4.35
XB1 1.43
TOT 5.78

Madden 10
360 2.66
PS3 2.09
TOT 4.75
I would look at it like this instead of all the versions.

Just your two main thoroughbreds.
 
# 98 RaychelSnr @ 11/18/10 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by dcsoldier
first i would like to know where those numbers came from...second take a look at ps2 in 06 sales and compare them to ps3 in 10.....also those numbers include 3 additional platforms.......not an accurate comparison to say the least.
http://www.vgchartz.com

It's numbers are known to be notoriously wrong though as they used to have big swings when NPD publically released their numbers (which they no longer do, just lists), so use at your own risk.
 
# 99 RaychelSnr @ 11/18/10 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by dcsoldier
your numbers are off according to this....
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6164113.html

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/madden-sales-down-at-least-10-but-should-rebound-next-year-says-eedar/

so if 2010 was down 10% and lets say this year is down 18%.....thats 28% in two years......50% looks very realistic considering that sales have been declining since 06 when madden 07 came out
Madden had a fantastic Christmas-season and actually ended up selling rather well after a slow start. This year seems to be opposite, the game started off selling really fast and sales have now ran into a brick wall. If you look that article was actually published in September quite early (as is November). Once you get through Christmas if you still have these headlines, look for trouble to brew in Paradise.
 
# 100 mestevo @ 11/18/10 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by MMChrisS
Will those PS2 sales ever be replaced? With the current hardware base being higher than it was 4-5 years ago, you'd expect sales to follow at least at somewhat of the same pace, they haven't. So no, this is definitely a big deal no matter how you spin it, especially if total sales fall this year after both the PS3 and 360 saw big expansions in market base. A product expanding sales in a rapidly growing market makes sense, a product expanding in sales below where everyone else is expanding much faster doesn't make sense and is cause for alarm.

Look at FIFA for example. In the last 3 years, it's sales have almost doubled on the major platforms while Madden's has grown with the PS3 platform (over double), but the sales have only edged up on the 360 in 3 years (08 - 10) when the 360's hardware base has continued to grow. Thus you see FIFA sales growing at nearly double the rate of Madden this generation. The PS3's hardware base has exploded, thus I don't think it's any surprise anyone's seeing growth on the PS3 FWIW.

However it goes without saying that without any independent way to actually get raw game sales data, everyone's basically drawing conclusions from the same data and it's reliability isn't really all that well known.
360 + PS3 in the US combined dont equal the number of PS2s sold yet in the US, where exactly do you expect these sales numbers to be made up from? When considering the few million copies that have been sold so far, with another million or two likely to be sold before Madden 12, the hundred(s) of thousands of PS2 copies sold last year that were not this year are certainly one reason for this magical 18%. Also I note you come and defend your post here, what happened with your last one, when I pointed out that sales returned to normal, proving that it was just week 1 sales to draw people into their stores to pick up Madden 11 rather than a competitors?

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Originally Posted by MMChrisS
From a market share standpoint on the simulation game people worry about here on OS, it's definitely correct except it's not quite 50% like I originally recalled. However, the drop is best guess estimate between 30 - 40% or so considering the top platforms peaked at 6.5 million-ish and the current top simulation platforms are now selling less than five a year on their best year (before that is was less than 4). You could also make the argument that sales are down on a platform by platform basis by as much as 50% or more, if you want to directly compare PlayStation platforms, which I think might be a little silly since people have moved allegiances quite a bit this generation.

It should go without saying that using VGChartz data is hazardous to ones health (and credibility). It's hard to find real raw data though, so it's the best most people have.
It's clear that there isn't a more dominant platform than the PS2 in the last decade, as a result comparing PS2 -> PS3 and expecting things to just work out and using that as your premise that things are less than satisfactory is flawed. Could things be better? Always. For your FIFA example... i'd point in part to improvement to a good game, but also the fact that we're not that far removed from a World Cup either.

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Originally Posted by dcsoldier
first i would like to know where those numbers came from...second take a look at ps2 in 06 sales and compare them to ps3 in 10.....also those numbers include 3 additional platforms.......not an accurate comparison to say the least.
Because there is no accurate comparison, but there were almost a million PS2 sales in 2009. Those sales aren't being replaced as quickly as that platform died, this is one reason there are 'losses' for Madden as a title.

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Originally Posted by dcsoldier
your numbers are off according to this....
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6164113.html

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/m...ar-says-eedar/

so if 2010 was down 10% and lets say this year is down 18%.....thats 28% in two years......50% looks very realistic considering that sales have been declining since 06 when madden 07 came out
Percentages dont work like that, and please point out where the numbers are wrong by the way... at a glance it looks like those are year end figures, or do you think that nothing was sold from the end of the year and the 9 months following it prior to the next Madden's release?

News of Madden's demise is greatly exaggerated, I maintain that there is more flashy headline than substance. Down 18% in 13 weeks including sales from a dead console the year previous. Without knowing how much the PS2 sales make up for the lag in sales the figure is 100% meaningless. Argue the rest of the post all you want, it's that bold sentence that matters.
 


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