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One more nugget from the Cowen and Company piece is that Madden sales are in fact down 18% year over year for the month of October:

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"Even with disappointments for NHL 11 and Medal of Honor, EA's software sales grew 17 percent year over year in October. EA Sports MMA sold 45,000 units, and the Madden NFL franchise is down 18 percent year over year."

If you recall, I predicted in a blog post back in late August ('Are Madden Sales Slipping?') that Madden sales would probably end up down even after initial reports showed the game's sales were up 12% back in August. But an 18% drop was far more than I ever expected, that's nearly a 1/5 cut in top-line revenue from one of EA's biggest franchises on a Y-o-Y basis. If the trend continues, Madden sales could end up down substantially with the all-important Winter Shopping Season approaching.

That's incredibly bad news.

There is a lot of speculation as to why sales have slowed so much so fast, but I believe the reasons are the same now as I initially thought back then: consumers aren't impressed with the direction of the Madden series with so many other options for them to partake in. The longevity of the game is definitely in question and the word of mouth factor seems to be non-existent this year.

This is easily a referendum on the direction of the direction of the series, especially if trends continue to hold through December. I initially thought there wouldn't be much panic from the suits at EA, but this was before the Elite Fiasco hit the world, so now you can never be too careful when trying to prognosticate what EA might do next.

No doubt the decision makers at EA know exactly about the slip in sales of the Madden franchise, which are slowing substantially moreso than previous years after being on store shelves. So whatever panic decisions/reshuffling you would expect have probably already been made in some regards, although some may not be made until the Christmas shopping season is over. There is definitely increasing pressure on the Madden team to perform, and if sales do come in flat to somewhat down there could be some changes to the gameplan going forward.

This is definitely not good news for gamers who have liked the direction of Madden for the past couple of years if this trend holds into the Christmas shopping season. Also just as alarming is Madden's shrinking sales to the hardcore gamers on the top platforms, with sales down between 30% and 40% depending on how you calculate game sales and from whom from it's high in the middle of the last decade.

This is an interesting story we'll continue to follow. In the meantime, do you think we'll see some big changes in the direction for Madden NFL 12?

[ Update ] It's not clear whether Cowen and Company's analyst was commenting on the entire sales volume from Aug-Oct or just in the Month of October. Either way, that would only slightly give the news a bit less negativity for EA -- but it'd still be very negative news. We'll keep on this story.

[ Update #2 ] After analyzing the data and receiving word from a few trusted analysts this is definitely a Monthly drop from last October of 18%. This means after Madden sales started out on a rush, they have plummeted as the product has stayed on store shelves. The real test will be the Christmas shopping season. Roughly 30% of Madden's sales come from Christmas-time sales. If sales are still down substantially in November and then December, things could get ugly for EA. As it is right now though, this is a sharp drop worth watching. Edited the original article to reflect these clarifications.

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# 41 stlstudios189 @ 11/17/10 08:08 PM
Look at Call of duty that is an adult only game and is selling millions on day one Making this game to simple will make sales go another 18 %
 
# 42 PhillyJim76 @ 11/17/10 08:15 PM
Greatest news and thread ever.

I bought 2k11, and I hate the NBA. However, it is such a good and complete game, that I barely touch Madden.

I love the NFL, watch Redzone when the Eagles aren't playing, watch all the national games. Madden sits in its case, because it is a horribly dull game for various reasons. Why bother playing that Franchise mode?
 
# 43 rooney8 @ 11/17/10 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Senator Palmer
In the article, it said sales "year over year", not specifically the month of October.
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Even with disappointments for NHL 11 and Medal of Honor, EA's software sales grew 17 percent year over year in October. EA Sports MMA sold 45,000 units, and the Madden NFL franchise is down 18 percent year over year.


Well to me this is clearly only for October but I seem to be on my own.
 
# 44 Senator Palmer @ 11/17/10 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by rooney8
Well to me this is clearly only for October but I seem to be on my own.
I know the article is for October, but I thought the "year over year" was the key phrase that meant sales over the calendar year from October 2009 to October 2010.

But you might be right... which would add a whole other level of entertainment to this thread!
 
# 45 metallidevils @ 11/17/10 08:27 PM
Sales are down in Madden and NHL because, although it can't be measured objectively, I don't believe that the games are $60 better than the previous year's version. I don't think it's the 'hardcore' fans that aren't buying the games, it's the casual fans who don't care as much about little tweaks and would rather see obvious improvements. I paid 60 bucks the year NHL series came out with the 'skill stick', which was a major addition, but then the next few years were just minor tweaks to it, and honestly seemed like $60 roster upgrades with a patch or two.
 
# 46 raneman85 @ 11/17/10 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ryan36
I think EA will misinterpret this data. Sales are down because of the oversimplified high offense approach, and lack of realism...not because it's too complicated.

Bingo Exactly why sales are down.
 
# 47 rooney8 @ 11/17/10 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Senator Palmer
I know the article is for October, but I thought the "year over year" was the key phrase that meant sales over the calendar year from October 2009 to October 2010.

But you might be right... which would add a whole other level of entertainment to this thread!
Year over year means compared to the same time period in the previous year. It can be daily, quarterly or yearly. In this case it's just referring to the month of October.
I am as disappointed as you.
 
# 48 grismosw @ 11/17/10 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BrngDaRckus
Madden needs a new engine.
It took them this long to get where they are today, you honestly think a new engine is the answer?
 
# 49 rooney8 @ 11/17/10 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by grismosw
It took them this long to get where they are today, you honestly think a new engine is the answer?
But that engine was built to make a completely arcade game which makes things so difficult.
 
# 50 grismosw @ 11/17/10 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by rooney8
But that engine was built to make a completely arcade game which makes things so difficult.
I still think the mistake they made was starting from scratch when they went to current generation. The Show, NBA 2K, and College Hoops 2K meanwhile built off what they had already started and were light years ahead of EA. EA can't even catch up with what they already had in last generation. Outside of NHL all of their sports series are in the dumps, I think NCAA Football this year is decent but you can't get too deep into Dynasty Mode without all sorts of flaws.
 
# 51 Gotmadskillzson @ 11/17/10 08:59 PM
Madden's problem and every game problem for the most part is that they care way too much about the online features of the game and completely shafts the offline players. I mean who cares if you can have online leagues and roster share if the core of your game isn't up to snuff ?

You can but a Porche grill and logo on an ford escort and call it a Porche but it is still a ford escort. And that is the problem with Madden now. Sure they slap on Madden and NFL logos, got Dree Brees on the cover, but the core isn't right.

For the past 10 years I have seen Madden add more and more fluff to their game. From Madden cards to Madden Moments, that is all FLUFF.

They need to get the basics done right 1st. And stop with the clever marketing phrases. Calling Madden simple and faster......Sure it is faster when you elminate 1/4 of the playbooks that was in last years game.

The whole AI is just totally out of whack. From mobile QBs not scrambling in any of the EA football games, which is Madden and NCAA, to the cpu punting the ball out of bounds majority of the time, to bad clock management, teams not going for fake punts or fake FGs.

Hell I have never seen the CPU ever block a punt in a Madden or NCAA football game, EVER. I mean what is the point of having all out block or max protect or regular protect if they still don't come close to blocking your punt ???

I mean we talking simple logic here. If player A is regular punt formation, player B is in All out Block formation, shouldn't the CPU player B block the punt most of the time in that situation ????

Same thing with mobile QBs.......simple logic......if you a mobile QB and you see a WIDE OPEN LANE TO RUN, wouldn't they take off in real life to exploit that WIDE OPEN LANE ?

I mean whats the point of having a throwing on the run rating if the CPU QB don't run ? I mean don't you have to run in order to throw on the run ?

Why is it in 2010 we still can't assign blocking assignments in football games ? I mean hell in basketball games we can assign double team assignments. So why can't we tell our linemen to double team block the defense's best pass rusher ?

Why can't we have real good pre-game, halftime and post game show ? OR, more importantly why can't we have a dynamic commentary ????

You know when they talk about stuff going in game, what happened last game, what happened in the 1st quarter, 1st half type of stuff. And not some canned lines that talks about stuff that isn't really relevant to what is going on in the current game.

People want realism. They want dirty uniforms, live interactive sidelines that react to what is happening on the field and to the score of the game. They want the field to get tore up come second half. What happened to line shifts that use to be in Madden years ago ? Where you could shift the formation and all that ?

New engine not going to cut it.....they need a new director, new president of their sports division or something. Everything comes from the top like in any company.

So I can't see how they can honestly say hey I watch football every saturday and sunday and then make NCAA and Madden and say with a straight face that is actual football, what you see on Saturday and Sunday.

And who ever is in charge of their beta testing needs to be replaced too, because really it is the quality control team job to ensure the game plays like the real thing. And over the years I am seeing way too many flaws getting passed them and making it to the retail version.

Then when people buy the game they want to say oh yeah we are aware of the problem we will release a patch for it.

This generation of videogames, the word PATCH has become a cop out and excuse for not doing your job. They need to call this generation of videogames the Patch Generation, because way too many games come out needing MULTIPLE PATCHES.

Makes no sense.
 
# 52 The Amaizen Blue @ 11/17/10 09:06 PM
I personally think it was because NCAA 11 was just THAT good. I know a lot of people don't buy BOTH Madden AND NCAA so when people hear "NCAA is better this year" they'll only go for that.
 
# 53 RaychelSnr @ 11/17/10 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by rooney8



Well to me this is clearly only for October but I seem to be on my own.
It's Madden sales from Aug-Oct this year compared to last. So Madden sales are 18% behind where they were last year at this time.

Edit: Unless Cowen and Company comment on game series sales differently than other analysts. Either way, this will result in Madden sales being significantly down if this number holds for consecutive months.
 
# 54 timmymvp6 @ 11/17/10 09:10 PM
I didn't buy Madden 11 because Madden always stays the same to me. There are never any huge inprovments on the game, so I think the Madden franchise needs to take a huge step in Madden 12.
 
# 55 rooney8 @ 11/17/10 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MMChrisS
It's Madden sales from Aug-Oct this year compared to last. So Madden sales are 18% behind where they were last year at this time.

Edit: Unless Cowen and Company comment on game series sales differently than other analysts. Either way, this will result in Madden sales being significantly down if this number holds for consecutive months.
You know more than me. This is great news for sim gamers. No way does John Riccitiello survive this. Probably a few others will go aswell.
 
# 56 RaychelSnr @ 11/17/10 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rooney8
You know more than me. This is great news for sim gamers. No way does John Riccitiello survive this. Probably a few others will go aswell.
Haha, I think at least. I see what you are saying. I actually hunted down the original quote and it was just as vague, so you don't know how they are defining it.

However, 18% Y-o-Y declines each month (if that's how it is actually being calculated) would result in Final Madden sales being down nearly 8-10% anyways. So if the game started off well and then sales collapse compared to the year before, that's a VERY negative sign for sales the next year anyways. So regardless on how Cowen and Co. did calculate this, this is horribly negative for EA and Co.

Either way, I'll update the thread title and add a bit to the original news piece just to give this possibility some air-time
 
# 57 Titans4lyfe @ 11/17/10 09:29 PM
I was one of the people who didn't buy Madden this year. Like Gotmadskillzson said, they seem to not care at all about the people who play offline. They expect me to play basically the same Madden with a couple of new gameplay gimmicks. If they added the features off of NFL Head Coach 09 franchise, then the offline franchise wouldn't be nearly as boring. Add that to the fact that they still haven't added all the little things (progressive weather, interactive sideline, better commentary, ect). I, for one, will not be buying Madden until they make some type of progress in improving offline franchise.

Edit-I hate to always bring NFL2k into a Madden discussion but, Madden IMO is still behind NFL2k5. That game was able to pull me in like NBA2k11 has recently done to me. Madden hasn't had that affect on me since last gen.
 
# 58 RaychelSnr @ 11/17/10 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by rooney8
You know more than me. This is great news for sim gamers. No way does John Riccitiello survive this. Probably a few others will go aswell.
Also on your John Riccitiello point, I'd like to know how he's surviving with EA's stock flat since the 08 crash while everyone else has seen at least modest stock gains. That's as much an indictment on Riccitiello as anything else. But don't forget that total sales were up 17% for EA in October, so the company as a whole isn't doing too bad.
 
# 59 grismosw @ 11/17/10 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dcsoldier
and where are they exactly? half the people that buy madden hate it and the other half buys it cause its NFL.

i just got done playing apf2k8 and during a cut scene in the background there was a cop standing by the stands......amazing DETAIL! this game came out 4 years ago, and never used crappy gimmicks to suck people into buying the game....4 years later and im still enjoying the game..........i don't even think if i combine all of the maddens would it equal 4 years.
That's my point.
 
# 60 kjcheezhead @ 11/17/10 10:04 PM
I hope this news strikes home with the NFL more than anyone else. Madden 11 gets an 8.6 rating average by review sites and only 6.9 by gamers. That suggests to me that gamers are just bored and frustrated by a series that fundamentally is seen as a solid title by gaming sites. Add to that, NBA 2k11's success and the NFL needs to be concerned.

The fans are turning their backs on the NFL video game this year and can't get enough of the NBA product. It's time the NFL recognizes this as a potenital problem and gives their fans more football options to choose from.
 


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