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One more nugget from the Cowen and Company piece is that Madden sales are in fact down 18% year over year for the month of October:

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"Even with disappointments for NHL 11 and Medal of Honor, EA's software sales grew 17 percent year over year in October. EA Sports MMA sold 45,000 units, and the Madden NFL franchise is down 18 percent year over year."

If you recall, I predicted in a blog post back in late August ('Are Madden Sales Slipping?') that Madden sales would probably end up down even after initial reports showed the game's sales were up 12% back in August. But an 18% drop was far more than I ever expected, that's nearly a 1/5 cut in top-line revenue from one of EA's biggest franchises on a Y-o-Y basis. If the trend continues, Madden sales could end up down substantially with the all-important Winter Shopping Season approaching.

That's incredibly bad news.

There is a lot of speculation as to why sales have slowed so much so fast, but I believe the reasons are the same now as I initially thought back then: consumers aren't impressed with the direction of the Madden series with so many other options for them to partake in. The longevity of the game is definitely in question and the word of mouth factor seems to be non-existent this year.

This is easily a referendum on the direction of the direction of the series, especially if trends continue to hold through December. I initially thought there wouldn't be much panic from the suits at EA, but this was before the Elite Fiasco hit the world, so now you can never be too careful when trying to prognosticate what EA might do next.

No doubt the decision makers at EA know exactly about the slip in sales of the Madden franchise, which are slowing substantially moreso than previous years after being on store shelves. So whatever panic decisions/reshuffling you would expect have probably already been made in some regards, although some may not be made until the Christmas shopping season is over. There is definitely increasing pressure on the Madden team to perform, and if sales do come in flat to somewhat down there could be some changes to the gameplan going forward.

This is definitely not good news for gamers who have liked the direction of Madden for the past couple of years if this trend holds into the Christmas shopping season. Also just as alarming is Madden's shrinking sales to the hardcore gamers on the top platforms, with sales down between 30% and 40% depending on how you calculate game sales and from whom from it's high in the middle of the last decade.

This is an interesting story we'll continue to follow. In the meantime, do you think we'll see some big changes in the direction for Madden NFL 12?

[ Update ] It's not clear whether Cowen and Company's analyst was commenting on the entire sales volume from Aug-Oct or just in the Month of October. Either way, that would only slightly give the news a bit less negativity for EA -- but it'd still be very negative news. We'll keep on this story.

[ Update #2 ] After analyzing the data and receiving word from a few trusted analysts this is definitely a Monthly drop from last October of 18%. This means after Madden sales started out on a rush, they have plummeted as the product has stayed on store shelves. The real test will be the Christmas shopping season. Roughly 30% of Madden's sales come from Christmas-time sales. If sales are still down substantially in November and then December, things could get ugly for EA. As it is right now though, this is a sharp drop worth watching. Edited the original article to reflect these clarifications.

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# 181 MaddenFranchise10 @ 11/23/10 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by kiddlex
Well said!! My sentiment exactly. I used to play thru multiple seasons and I too have reached this stage the last 5 years. Simply dissapointing.
I as well. I played one and a half season in Madden 2010's franchise mode before I lost interest. When I saw that '11 wasn't updating franchise, I decided then and there to not purchase this years' game. Simple as that.

And if '12 is the same, I won't hesitate to forgo another purchase.


As a die hard NFL/Madden fan I'm actually surprised in how serious I am. A few years ago I would "say" I'm not going to get the next Madden, but I'd end up caving and buying it to play with friends. But now, I can honestly say I'm done until Madden receives a overhaul - complete with a new physics engine, and fully fleshed out Franchise and Superstar modes, as well as much improved AI play calling and assignment execution/blocking.

Short of that, I will never again buy another Madden game. And I'm not alone in my sentiment. Not one person on my friends list owns Madden '11 anymore. Those that did get suckered into a purchase sold their copy within a month. When I went to Gamestop to pick up Black Ops, they had an entire shelf of used Madden '11 games for the 360. It's funny, because at about this same time last year, I bought Madden '10 used from Gamestop (after finally caving in), and they only had a couple copies. This year there's just too many good games to justify a $65 roster update with no additional incentives or improvements.

I think in an effort to conserve resources and bolster the bottom line, EA Sports has run the serious risk of jading its fan base and tarnishing their franchise's reputation. If it wasn't for the NFL exclusivity, Madden would have gone the way of NBA Live/Elite and been overshadowed by 2k.

It's a weird psychological shift I've experienced. I used to love EA Sports, and would root for them to do well and succeed. But now, I find that more and more, I want EA Sports to fail miserably. I feel that the Madden franchise represents all that is wrong with the video game industry. A glaring example of a behemoth corporation throwing money at a project in all the wrong ways (exclusivity, marketing, ads, gimmicks, etc.) instead of improving the game play/mechanics.
 
# 182 UMhester04 @ 11/24/10 01:22 AM
"It's a weird psychological shift I've experienced. I used to love EA Sports, and would root for them to do well and succeed. But now, I find that more and more, I want EA Sports to fail miserably. I feel that the Madden franchise represents all that is wrong with the video game industry. A glaring example of a behemoth corporation throwing money at a project in all the wrong ways (exclusivity, marketing, ads, gimmicks, etc.) instead of improving the game play/mechanics"

I 100%agree with this. I just really hope that someone from 2K is reading this so they can show the NFL this thread and the backlash on Madden.
 
# 183 tril @ 11/24/10 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ac-greasy
"sales are down simply because of a number of other high profile releases, and a struggling economy.
IMO year over year stats are misleading, because the marketplace was different a year ago.
People are buying less. and most peopel will buy the newer releases first.
A dip like this happens across the board. very few games hold steady."

Then how do you explain COD:Black Ops? 5.6 million copies sold on the first day. The truth of the matter is if you make a good game, it will sale. You can argue that COD is the same old first person shooter much like Madden is the same old football every year...but COd is fun, innovative and that franchise is not mired down in trying to fix the same old problems every year (or in EA's case, not fixing the same old problems).
that's my point exactly. This years seems to have more high profile releases than last year.
 
# 184 debauchlord @ 11/24/10 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MaddenFranchise10
If it wasn't for the NFL exclusivity, Madden would have gone the way of NBA Live/Elite and been overshadowed by 2k.
Please, this train of thought NEEDS to die. Does everyone forget that in 2005, when EA "bought" the NFL license, 2K "bought" the MLB license? MVP 2005, was a good game, better than MLB 2k5. So EA stopped making MLB games, and 2K was allowed to run with it, unhindered, until the MLB the Show popped up and has been a much better game for the last two years. MLB2K whatever series has been tanking. It is not because of competition, that they are FAILING? 2k Sports is, currently, failing against an indirect competitor, making a MLB game. What sense is it that they could be making a better NFL game? Taking five year old precedent and expanding it is very poor logic. THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW THAT 2K WOULD BE MAKING A BETTER NFL GAME. NONE. Harping on the past impedes forward progress.
 
# 185 Armor and Sword @ 11/25/10 10:05 AM
Yeah the 2K thing is really tired and old. NFL2K5....great game. Stellar presentation and franchise mode.

Yet at that time I played Madden 2005 5 times more than 2K. And I actually like Maddens gameplay a tad better than 2K5. They were so close to each other IMO.

The big issue is the lack of a huge leap since Madden went next gen. It has been up unitl Madden 2010 a big letdown.

But Madden has made some big strides in gameplay IMO with 2010 and now 2011. I expect gameplay to be even tighter in 2012 and the franchise mode to really be much better. I think it is safe to say Ian and the crew really know how passion filled there hardcore buyers are and I think they will try to give us what we want in 2012.

I hope it comes to fruition. For so many of us we are enjoying the game (2011) and we just need the deep immersion to make is truly great.

I will never try to convince any 2K vet that Madden plays better than 2K. That is a futile discussion. But there are many of us who feel Madden on the last gen played just as good as 2K5 (Madden 2005/2007). I love 2K5...tremendous game. But is has plenty of flaws and issues as well. All video games typically do.

Funny thing is I think Madden 2011 is the best playing Madden I have ever played and the only thing holding it back from being a truly great title is that killer franchise mode and a polished first class network presentation.

You have 2 camps.

1) Madden fans who love playing Madden but want the deep franchise back and Network style presentation

2) Those that can't stand the game in it's current engine and feel it is a total trainwreck and want gameplay totally overhauled.


Camp one is going to win out next year. I don't see an overhaul till the PS4 or whatever new console they roll out in a few years (I will be using PS3 for the next 8-9 years no question).

So back to my year one franchise!
 
# 186 pietasterp @ 11/25/10 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Armor & Sword
Yeah the 2K thing is really tired and old. NFL2K5....great game. Stellar presentation and franchise mode.

Yet at that time I played Madden 2005 5 times more than 2K. And I actually like Maddens gameplay a tad better than 2K5. They were so close to each other IMO.

The big issue is the lack of a huge leap since Madden went next gen. It has been up unitl Madden 2010 a big letdown.

This is the point, right? Madden was good in 2005 because their competition was good. Lack of a leap on next gen, coinciding with exclusivity....That's really what irks most of the guys here, not Madden in and of itself.
 
# 187 Armor and Sword @ 11/25/10 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by pietasterp
This is the point, right? Madden was good in 2005 because their competition was good. Lack of a leap on next gen, coinciding with exclusivity....That's really what irks most of the guys here, not Madden in and of itself.

I was not talking about the lack of competition. I agree that is never a good thing. I was talking about those who are die hard 2K fans thinking it is a gimmie 2K would have made a much better next gen football title.

No way to ever know till it happens....if ever.
 
# 188 Armor and Sword @ 11/25/10 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by grunt
APF2K8 was that game just without the NFL license or a franchise.

All things need competition or they will die. Now Madden is being compared with a basketball, baseball, and FPS. In reality Madden was never in a close market but a dynamic open market. Instead of having nagging little brother making football games (Visual Concepts) now their competition is with any firm making games in their demographics.

NFL2k5 was a next gen game in last gen clothes. If Visual Concepts made football games for the last 6 years where would the genre be today. My guess would be on the same level of NBA2k 11 or better.

Again I blame this on the short sightedness of the NFL. The NBA decided to go a different route and it worked for the NBA, developers, and consumers.
APF2K8 is a heck of a title. I agree. NFL2K5 feels last gen to me. I still play it. I still think it's great. But no doubt it is dated. And it should be it's almost 6 years old now.

Your probably right about Visual Concepts and if they had the dev time EA has had to develop a next gen football game it would probably be very good. I just don't think Madden 2011 is nearly as poor as so many here think. I think it is quite good and going in a very good direction. It needs more polish and TLC in presentation and depth and immersion in franchise mode to knock it out of the park. I am in the minority around here that gameplay is very good and a lot of fun.....offline. It takes good sliders, and game planning for the cpu...but it works well.

Sales are down because for a lot of players it has grown stale and other sports titles are better. No question. And gamers are getting more tight with their game buying budget.
 
# 189 kjcheezhead @ 11/27/10 08:39 PM
Idk, I think a lot of people do flat out hate these new Maddens. On Madden 07,08 I was in a franchise league on the ps2 with about 8 other guys and they were die hard fans. Hardly a night would go by that all of them would be online playing Madden.

Madden 09, we made the leap to ps3. By Madden 10s release, about 5 of the guys were still into it. By Madden 11's release, 2 of them bought the game. The other 6 went on to NBA Live 10, the COD series or something else. I couldn't get them to play Madden 11 if I shipped them a copy for free, they hate it that much.
 
# 190 Senator Palmer @ 11/27/10 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by kjcheezhead
Idk, I think a lot of people do flat out hate these new Maddens. On Madden 07,08 I was in a franchise league on the ps2 with about 8 other guys and they were die hard fans. Hardly a night would go by that all of them would be online playing Madden.

Madden 09, we made the leap to ps3. By Madden 10s release, about 5 of the guys were still into it. By Madden 11's release, 2 of them bought the game. The other 6 went on to NBA Live 10, the COD series or something else. I couldn't get them to play Madden 11 if I shipped them a copy for free, they hate it that much.
That's pretty sad. You really have to drop the ball to lose fans with that kind of devotion.
 
# 191 stoncold32 @ 11/27/10 10:03 PM
Sadly, I'm sure Black Friday sales bumped the Madden sales up tremendously from people buying blindly just because "it's Madden"

These are the people who are indirectly hurtign the game more than anything.
 
# 192 Jukeman @ 11/27/10 10:35 PM
So much for simple being better.
 
# 193 Vikes1 @ 11/28/10 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Blue Line
i agree, i don't really think people hate madden that much its just that madden hasn't made long enough strides to please the hardcore madden fans. madden has been around for over 20 years and most of the madden fans have grew up playing madden and are now grown adults...and grown adults won't keep paying $65 for a couple of upgrades every year. IMO the madden consumer has become more responsible and aware of the business aspect that falls into game making and game sales. fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice, shame on me.....fool me every year, shame on both of us.
Very well said Blue.

As an older gamer myself, ya...I realize Madden is just a video game. But also as an older gamer, my needs from sport video games has evolved through the years. Where now, I need the games to be as believable as possible. Where the game modes function as advertised, and the focus is on solid, again believable game play and deep functioning franchise modes.

No...I don't hate Madden. But I'm now spending my money on the few video sports games I do buy, on other games than Madden. Games that imo, provide me with the things I'm looking for. I think there may be a growing number of gamers, including some of the older guys, starting to realize there are other sports games out there that are just more satisfying than what Madden has to offer.
 
# 194 Knapper @ 11/29/10 11:40 AM
For the first time ever I traded in my Madden game before the next one was released. Usually I play it Madden all year long and end up doing multiple franchises. This year I just could not get into the game at all. I never even completed a single season in franchise mode. I tried all sorts of sliders and such but never really found what I was looking for.

There is a few glaring issues that really bugged me. One of the worst is a visual issue when the QB back peddles when I rolling out to his non-throwing side it did not even look like he was touching the ground and forget the physics of it. It looked ridiculous especially on a replay. And of course defense was questionable even with patches and sliders.

One final issue that I have felt over the past few years is there is little to no difference between which teams/players I use. No players feel unique. I can pretty much pick any two teams and overall it feels like playing with any other two teams. Sure the playbooks are more different this year than previous years but still running with Peyton Hillis did not seem any different than running with Joseph Addai or really any other RB in the league.

Ultimately I was trying to force myself to play rather than wanting to play. So I popped in my old game Xbox game from that other developer and while it may not be up to par graphically and some other areas are outdated, it certainly felt like a much better game of football. That was the deciding factor and I took my Madden into Game Stop yesterday. At this point I do not see myself buying Madden 12 and this is the first time I have even considered not buying Madden on release day since I first started playing it way back on the Genesis in 1992.

Even though I always bought Madden, I miss the days of having 3 or 4 NLF games come out each year so I could find the one I liked best each year. Remember way back when there was Madden, NFL 2k, NFL Gameday, NFL Fever, and NFL Quarterback Club. Although really Fever and QB Club were usually not very good at least we had options and it made each of the companies put in more effort each year to grab up as much market share as possible.
 
# 195 CuseGirl @ 11/29/10 08:57 PM
Eh, I just stopped buying Madden because it couldn't count stats properly and I hated the draft. The scouting was broken, and if I found a "diamond in the rough" (like a 95 rated guy in the 6th round), he would ask for 1st round money, knowing he was a 6th rounder. Total BS. Also, I got sick of handling contracts. Love NCAA, you recruit them, they play, they leave, you recruit more.
 
# 196 Skyboxer @ 11/30/10 12:43 PM
How can you say "That's incredibly bad news."
IMO it's great news for FB gaming fans. At least from one who's been less than impressed with how the franchise has been developed.
Yes Madden has made a couple good steps the last couple years BUT IMO that isn't too hard to do if you look at where Madden was.

Even in the past couple years I still see no signs of real AI. Until there's competition to make multiple developers not take the $ for granted, we'll continue to see games behind where they could be.

My .02
 
# 197 Only1LT @ 11/30/10 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyboxer
How can you say "That's incredibly bad news."
IMO it's great news for FB gaming fans. At least from one who's been less than impressed with how the franchise has been developed.
Yes Madden has made a couple good steps the last couple years BUT IMO that isn't too hard to do if you look at where Madden was.

Even in the past couple years I still see no signs of real AI. Until there's competition to make multiple developers not take the $ for granted, we'll continue to see games behind where they could be.

My .02

On this point, your $.02 are worth their weight in gold lol.
 
# 198 Isura @ 11/30/10 10:28 PM
The key is in the development team and project management (especially quality control!). EA is a huge name in gaming, it can't be hard for them to attract top level programmers. The problem is it seems the development team just isn't passionate enough about football. They should either hire less able programmers who are football fanatics, or hire many many football "consultants" to keep the game going in the right direction (sim). Ultimately it is the developers that make a game come to life, so solution 1 is ideal. I haven't kept a copy of Madden since 06. This year I returned my copy that came with the PS3 to get NCAA. At least the NCAA team seems to have a better understanding of what makes college football so amazing !
 
# 199 Araxen @ 11/30/10 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by stoncold32
Sadly, I'm sure Black Friday sales bumped the Madden sales up tremendously from people buying blindly just because "it's Madden"

These are the people who are indirectly hurtign the game more than anything.
Well I picked it up off Amazon on a Black Friday deal for $25 so EA isn't making too much of a profit from that. I would be surprised if Amazon made any profit off it. I had no intentions of picking up Madden this year but at that price it was hard to beat. I wanted to see my RTG Player from NCAA play in the NFL but I wasn't paying $60-40 for that experience.
 
# 200 Skyboxer @ 11/30/10 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by stoncold32
Sadly, I'm sure Black Friday sales bumped the Madden sales up tremendously from people buying blindly just because "it's Madden"

These are the people who are indirectly hurtign the game more than anything.
Those that blindly buy Madden purchased it way before black Friday... Most anyways.
 


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