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NBA 2K11 Demo Roundtable

04:22 PM - September 16, 2010 by RaychelSnr

1. What is the best thing about the demo?

Dustin Toms - The presentation looks fantastic. With the demo being so bare, it really stands out. The crowd atmosphere looks like it may the best to ever grace a sports game, and the score hub in the corner is eerily reminiscent of TNT. I think 2K is really on point with the overall presentation.

Chris Sanner - The presentation, the atmosphere, the gameplay -- shoot, the title screens even looks great. Once you get in the game, I am having a hard time finding much fault with 2K11. The entire package just looks legitimately smooth and excellent. But for me, the presentation really has taken a giant leap forward in a lot of ways. There are some new camera cut-ins, and the atmosphere added on top of that makes the game just feel realistic.

Steven Bartlett - The best element of this demo in my opinion is the improved responsive control. The player sliding issues seem to be gone, and jump shots are now more responsive than ever. 2K Sports seems to have designed a game that naturally places gamers into a situation where they can play a simulation style of basketball and look good doing it. It�s not forced. It�s not boring. It's pure hoops. The AI is even out there running set plays, utilizing intelligent help defense, and taking advantage of mismatches.

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# 41 Carrington618 @ 09/16/10 07:35 PM

man im trying to get 2k on 10/1 moms an pops shop be giving it up early in NYC

# 42 spankdatazz22 @ 09/16/10 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Carrington618


	so yall mean to tell me that people(not all) dont chose a game base off the demo

Based SOLEY off a demo? I'd think most people would be more sensible than that. I've been wow'd by demos (most recently Vanquish) but I wouldn't base my purchasing decision soley on my gameplay experience in the demo. Anymore than I'd completely write off a game because of it's demo. If I like the game and don't know anything else about it, I'll go out and research previews, what others were saying, etc.

# 43 inkpimp007 @ 09/16/10 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Carrington618


	this demo left some room for ea to get more sales. some people are turn off by the lack of gameplay(2 player) in this demo. Overall 2k shot their self in the foot with this one . Any one new to 2k that plays this demo comes away saying whats all the fuss about. i bet the ea demo will be much better at showing off there basketball game. @2K you have to make a better first impression

Honestly they don't. Where have you been for the past few years. Two little letters for you that a full game of Elite demo could never overcome or take away from 2K11... M.J!

# 44 SDJHood93 @ 09/16/10 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Carrington618


	this demo left some room for ea to get more sales. some people are turn off by the lack of gameplay(2 player) in this demo. Overall 2k shot their self in the foot with this one . Any one new to 2k that plays this demo comes away saying whats all the fuss about. i bet the ea demo will be much better at showing off there basketball game. @2K you have to make a better first impression

I'm sure 2K won't mind. Besides whoever those people are that purchase NBA Elite because of 2K11's demo are just plain moronic. You can play 2K's demo and EA's when it comes out and I'm sure it won't be hard to see which is the better game.

# 45 Boilerbuzz @ 09/16/10 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Carrington618


	bollerbuzz sounds like a fanboy.

So, because I disagree with your position about how this demo will impact users' purchase decisions, I'm a fanboy? I find it interesting that you talk about people calling you names, yet you're doing just that. We both know the connotations behind that word. Your lines of reasoning make no sense...

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Originally Posted by Carrington618


	i play the demo's of the game to see if all the hype is real. i demo before i buy so the demo is important. Now all this reading i have done an all da czar videos i watch lets me know that 2k will kill EA's this years but everybody doesn't look for info on a game they try it outDemo B4 they spend that $60). And there will be plenty of people who never played video game ball an people who just got there system that base the purchase on the demo.

And how many of those people are looking to buy a basketball game? As a matter of fact, why are these people FIVE! years late to the next-gen party? Those people are FAR to the casual side and IF they want a basketball game, they have a specific reason. I mentioned those reasons and you have yet to answer to any of them.

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Originally Posted by Carrington618


	bac to the aa stuff i ben playing video game ball since double dribble on the nes to laker vs celtics with only 8 teams with real players(1989) to tecmo(snes) b-ball fisrt game with a season. up to 2k (1) dreamcast fisrt on-line console b-ball game. come to think of it there are plenty of poeple on this site that never played a basket ball game and maybe they want to try it out so they play the demos. me i never played FIFA so i would demo fifa and the competition to see witch one i like the best.

If you are on OS, then I find it HARD to believe you don't have SOME amount of knowledge and savvy when it comes to video games as a whole. And being on OS says you care about sports by default. Sure there are people on OS that have not played a basketball. But I HIGHLY doubt the subtleties of the games' demos are what's going to sway them one way or another. Again - if they decided to finally try a basketball game, that reason has been determined already and, therefore, their game of choice is already selected. They made up their mind which game they are going to try. IF that game turns them off, then they just won't buy a basketball game period.

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Originally Posted by Carrington618


	and if i came across a bare bone demo i dont think i would get that game

Case in point about your lines of reasoning. I find it astounding that you would do that JUST because the demo is gimped, which EVERY agrees is the case with 2K11. So, forget improved gameplay (which it shows), forget improved graphics (which it shows), forget every improvement you would care about said game - you would walk away because the demo is limited???

Wow! I just have to say that you are a unique individual to say the least and that I would bet that MOST people (by a wide margin) will not think the way you do. But that's just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Carrington618


	so yall mean to tell me that people(not all) dont chose a game base off the demo

If you even attempted to read my posts and not get all defensive, you would have read the part where I said people don't JUST make that decision based on the demo. And given the demographic you highlighted - new users - I stated they are new because something drew them to the genre. And whether it was Jordan or Jam, that decision on which one to buy is already made. Why is that such an inflammatory concept to you?

# 46 jr2424 @ 09/16/10 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz


	Which is it? If they are casual, then they won't really notice any real change. They'll just look at the lighting and how it all animates, and go from there. In that regard, the demo will only add to the hype. That's IF you believe that the casual person isn't savvy enough to find out what changes are really there...

If they're casual, I would assume they didn't get last year's game. If you get an NBA game year after year then you're not casual. By that definition, they won't notice how tight the controls are this year compared to the last two. They won't notice the foot planting and all the strides 2k made with the suctioning.

I don't understand why everyone is so offended with this thinking. This is by far the most stripped-down demo I've ever seen. For hardcore fans like us, it serves its purpose. But like I said before, we were already on board. I think casual fans would at like to -- I don't know -- maybe play as the Celtics. How about two quarters?

And because people are so sensitive I love the gameplay. Think it's the best basketball game I've ever played. But that doesn't mean I can't find fault with something 2k did. I think the demo should have more than this. I don't think anyone can really argue that point.

# 47 ThaGenecyst @ 09/16/10 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Carrington618


	bollerbuzz sounds like a fanboy. i play the demo's of the game to see if all the hype is real. i demo before i buy so the demo is important. Now all this reading i have done an all da czar videos i watch lets me know that 2k will kill EA's this years but everybody doesn't look for info on a game they try it outDemo B4 they spend that $60). And there will be plenty of people who never played video game ball an people who just got there system that base the purchase on the demo. bac to the aa stuff i ben playing video game ball since double dribble on the nes to laker vs celtics with only 8 teams with real players(1989) to tecmo(snes) b-ball fisrt game with a season. up to 2k (1) dreamcast fisrt on-line console b-ball game. come to think of it there are plenty of poeple on this site that never played a basket ball game and maybe they want to try it out so they play the demos. me i never played FIFA so i would demo fifa and the competition to see witch one i like the best. and if i came across a bare bone demo i dont think i would get that game

# 48 rudeworld @ 09/16/10 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by michaeljordanjr


	NBA 2K fans will disregard the condition of the demo and buy the game 9 times out of 10. Sports fans that never played a basketball game before that try the demo will get a stripped back experience. An experience that represents 20% of the actual full retail game. In what world would a marketing team choose to present 20% of a product within 4 minutes? Do commercials spend 30 seconds trying to make you guess what their product can do, throwing hints along the way? No, within a small time frame, you need to present your product to its utmost potential. Because you dont know if youll get another shot at $65 with the customer. That is why I take this personal. I've bought 2K games in the past as all of you have. I've seen them climb insurmountable odds to become #1 right now and year after year they dont go the distance as far as DEMO'S are concerned. I dont care about video marketing or blogs. The demo is the deciding factor for a lot of people both fans and NBA newcomers. They have Michael Jeffery Jordan, they have NOTHING to worry about, they should give us the world with the 2K11 demo. So what is the elusive reason, that none of you care to touch upon, which drives 2K to give you half an experience within a 4 minute timeframe? I'm looking for logic, rationale, anything on this simple inquiry...

I dont know how old you are but the 1st bat man movie was advertised by only showing the batman insignia... with 0 movie clip.... we got a demo/preview of what to come..... its a feel of the new controls and when it is released it will sell with all the commercials and magazine advertisements people will know about the game and will know.....its the basketball game to get... "the one with jordan on the cover".....

the demo is doing its part....part of the advertisement because were talking about the game.

# 49 LingeringRegime @ 09/16/10 08:32 PM

I was sad that you could only play as the Lakers, but by NO means will that turn me away from this game. All it has done is left me shaking for the retail copy.

This game is looking like a strong contender for my S.G.O.T.Y. award. With PES 2011 and NHL 11 in the mix.

# 50 godsgift2dagame @ 09/16/10 08:35 PM

Hey guys,

I'm sorry if I came off as a jackass. Last night, my fiancee and I decided to call it quits. She's always been a bit aggressive and angry when we had spats, but yesterday I called it off.

The reason stems from the fact that I told her I wouldn't be able to pick her up from the airport on the 5th of October because the game was coming out. I'd rather stay at home playing 2K11 (and save 300 miles of gas) while she takes the bus. Unfortunately, she thought I was idiotic and decided to explode on me.

So again, sorry if I rude...

# 51 Day_26 @ 09/16/10 08:37 PM

Does anybody know if a new Czar video is coming out tonight?

# 52 Boilerbuzz @ 09/16/10 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by michaeljordanjr


	NBA 2K fans will disregard the condition of the demo and buy the game 9 times out of 10. Sports fans that never played a basketball game before that try the demo will get a stripped back experience. An experience that represents 20% of the actual full retail game. In what world would a marketing team choose to present 20% of a product within 4 minutes?

In a world where that particular audience only cares about that 20%? A 2K fan, playing this demo, will already know most of what he needs to know to validate his decision. The fact that he can't play Boston, doesn't matter. The fact that he can't call plays will only apply to the hardcore players that actually use plays - which is a VERY small minority. So, that won't be a big deal. Many sports games up until this year gave you only a couple of minutes of play. One game gave you 4 quarters, but only 2 minutes in that quarter. FIFA gives you a "full game", but it's wildly accelerated. So that's just smoke and mirrors. The point is that to the casual observer, this demo is par for the course because they don't call plays. The MAY want to play with their friends and that stings. But they also know that the FINAL game will not have that limitation. So what else is left?

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	Do commercials spend 30 seconds trying to make you guess what their product can do, throwing hints along the way?

HELL YES! Many do! No offense, but, honestly I'm starting to doubt you were actually a marketing professional.

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Originally Posted by michaeljordanjr


	No, within a small time frame, you need to present your product to its utmost potential. Because you dont know if youll get another shot at $65 with the customer.

You should really research the effectiveness of viral marketing strategies. How about cliff-hangers in entertainment? Really man.

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Originally Posted by michaeljordanjr


	That is why I take this personal. I've bought 2K games in the past as all of you have. I've seen them climb insurmountable odds to become #1 right now and year after year they dont go the distance as far as DEMO'S are concerned. I dont care about video marketing or blogs. The demo is the deciding factor for a lot of people both fans and NBA newcomers. They have Michael Jeffery Jordan, they have NOTHING to worry about, they should give us the world with the 2K11 demo. So what is the elusive reason, that none of you care to touch upon, which drives 2K to give you half an experience within a 4 minute timeframe? I'm looking for logic, rationale, anything on this simple inquiry...

Again, your marketing background should answer this question for you. I think it's pretty simple and pretty standard. Ever hear the phrase: "Leave them wanting more!"? I don't know how much more of an explanation you and your buddy need.

And if you bother to ask me - no, I don't like it because I hate being teased. But I TOTALLY recognize it as teasing. Like it or it, that's one of the MOST effective methods drum up interest in a product.

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Originally Posted by michaeljordanjr


	This demo won't turn away fans. It may confuse new customers. That's why I ask, what is the point of stripping it down? Most of the people downloading it are the core base customers, why not give them a treat like other companies are doing? Obviously this strategy is exclusive to 2K, show me another sports title this stripped down. So if you cant figure out whats going on in the mind of the marketing team, don't knock down those of us whom find issue with this unnecessary and uncalled for stripped down demo.

But here I see where you're going. And that's a very good question. Honestly, I don't know what they could lose. Maybe TOO much of the game 3 weeks before release will kill the "buzz". You know how it works - people would get tired of playing the game. And if anything, the thing I could see turning off a casual fan would be the level of complexity in the game. You can't cheese this game as much as you could in 2K10 and that might piss those people off. But THAT risk wouldn't change if you made it 4 quarters OR you could call plays OR you could play Boston.

# 53 mark2k @ 09/16/10 08:41 PM

when is the PC demo coming out?

# 54 Boilerbuzz @ 09/16/10 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jr2424


	And because people are so sensitive I love the gameplay. Think it's the best basketball game I've ever played. But that doesn't mean I can't find fault with something 2k did. I think the demo should have more than this. I don't think anyone can really argue that point.

Hey man. No one IS arguing with that point. It sucks. To me and guys like Czar, it was HIGHLY egregious to leave out play calling. It's annoying that you can't play Boston. But outside of those, the demo is pretty SOP. The point of the discussion was that this omission would drive people to change their mind and THAT is the part that, at least, I disagree with in terms of the impact. Sure, there will be people that feel they need to make a point. But even if they were on the fence, not being able to play Boston won't be the thing that make them choose a side of that fence. That's all I was saying.

# 55 erickonasis @ 09/16/10 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Carrington618


	this demo left some room for ea to get more sales. some people are turn off by the lack of gameplay(2 player) in this demo. Overall 2k shot their self in the foot with this one . Any one new to 2k that plays this demo comes away saying whats all the fuss about. i bet the ea demo will be much better at showing off there basketball game. @2K you have to make a better first impression

# 56 swac07 @ 09/16/10 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rudeworld


	the demo is doing its part....part of the advertisement because were talking about the game.

and there you have it

# 57 Vast @ 09/16/10 09:01 PM

I'm actually glad the demo is soo barebones.

This will give the game come October 5th the freshness and newness that a great game deserves.

I don't know about you guys, but i'm chomping at the bits to take control of Rondo on the court.

What usually happens for me at least is i play the crap out of the demo. Then when the game finally drops, the excitement is gone.

This is the same game i've been playing for weeks with just more game modes.

Thats not going to happen this time around, everything will feel fresh and new. Even to Laker fans, who have yet to take the bench(Blake, Odom) for a spin.

# 58 nickelplaydit @ 09/16/10 09:15 PM

Guys, this is just a demo....thats it!....the reason ea can put out more full demos is because they have no real competition to bother them in sales in those sporting genres..... 2k has an nba game that they know if they slip up once, EA will gain some attention and possibly take em out .. imagine if 2k could still make NFL games how would EA react to that?.......its called strategy....thats why EA's Elite didnt come out b4 @k's but thats just my opinion...

the more i keep playing the demo the more i see new things happening. i read on the roundtable that there were subbing in the demo. I just played 3 o4 games which all had subs going in and out... this is just a smal showcase.

A good analogy would be like a first date. If a woman youwere dating gives you "everything" on the first try then you probably dont wont want it long after that . Let 2k tease us for a few more weeks!

yes, i got jokes

# 59 nickelplaydit @ 09/16/10 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by michaeljordanjr


	NBA 2K fans will disregard the condition of the demo and buy the game 9 times out of 10. Sports fans that never played a basketball game before that try the demo will get a stripped back experience. An experience that represents 20% of the actual full retail game. In what world would a marketing team choose to present 20% of a product within 4 minutes? Do commercials spend 30 seconds trying to make you guess what their product can do, throwing hints along the way? No, within a small time frame, you need to present your product to its utmost potential. Because you dont know if youll get another shot at $65 with the customer. That is why I take this personal. I've bought 2K games in the past as all of you have. I've seen them climb insurmountable odds to become #1 right now and year after year they dont go the distance as far as DEMO'S are concerned. I dont care about video marketing or blogs. The demo is the deciding factor for a lot of people both fans and NBA newcomers. They have Michael Jeffery Jordan, they have NOTHING to worry about, they should give us the world with the 2K11 demo. So what is the elusive reason, that none of you care to touch upon, which drives 2K to give you half an experience within a 4 minute timeframe? I'm looking for logic, rationale, anything on this simple inquiry...

you have to care about video marketing and blogs if u own a competeing vid company.... the demo gives us just enough to keep some us sane til the game drops.. no need to kill yourself over a demo

# 60 spankdatazz22 @ 09/16/10 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by michaeljordanjr


	They have Michael Jeffery Jordan, they have NOTHING to worry about, they should give us the world with the 2K11 demo. So what is the elusive reason, that none of you care to touch upon, which drives 2K to give you half an experience within a 4 minute timeframe? I'm looking for logic, rationale, anything on this simple inquiry...

I think you're the same guy that said you thought the AI in the demo was "abysmal" or something like that. If so that coupled w/your views here show your expectations to be WAY too high for this game. Don't think there's much they'll be able to do if you're willing to totally disregard their marketing attempts to date because you think the blogs/videos/etc. were a waste of time and all that matters is the demo. There are tons of games that release that only market through blogs/videos and are successful (Red Dead Redemption, GTA, pretty much any Nintendo-produced Wii game, Call of Duty, Halo, etc.). While I do think 2K could've included a timed-practice mode, or perhaps a tutorial, I'd say the demo accomplished what they wanted it to. To whet the appetite of most gamers and have them looking forward to Oct. 5th to purchase the full title. The demo impressions thread is overwhelmingly positive, despite the bareboned demo.

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