NBA 2K11 Demo Roundtable

[Boilerbuzz]

Quote: Originally Posted by Carrington618

bollerbuzz sounds like a fanboy.

So, because I disagree with your position about how this demo will impact users' purchase decisions, I'm a fanboy? I find it interesting that you talk about people calling you names, yet you're doing just that. We both know the connotations behind that word. Your lines of reasoning make no sense...

Quote: Originally Posted by Carrington618

i play the demo's of the game to see if all the hype is real. i demo before i buy so the demo is important. Now all this reading i have done an all da czar videos i watch lets me know that 2k will kill EA's this years but everybody doesn't look for info on a game they try it outDemo B4 they spend that $60). And there will be plenty of people who never played video game ball an people who just got there system that base the purchase on the demo.

And how many of those people are looking to buy a basketball game? As a matter of fact, why are these people FIVE! years late to the next-gen party? Those people are FAR to the casual side and IF they want a basketball game, they have a specific reason. I mentioned those reasons and you have yet to answer to any of them.

Quote: Originally Posted by Carrington618

bac to the aa stuff i ben playing video game ball since double dribble on the nes to laker vs celtics with only 8 teams with real players(1989) to tecmo(snes) b-ball fisrt game with a season. up to 2k (1) dreamcast fisrt on-line console b-ball game. come to think of it there are plenty of poeple on this site that never played a basket ball game and maybe they want to try it out so they play the demos. me i never played FIFA so i would demo fifa and the competition to see witch one i like the best.

If you are on OS, then I find it HARD to believe you don't have SOME amount of knowledge and savvy when it comes to video games as a whole. And being on OS says you care about sports by default. Sure there are people on OS that have not played a basketball. But I HIGHLY doubt the subtleties of the games' demos are what's going to sway them one way or another. Again - if they decided to finally try a basketball game, that reason has been determined already and, therefore, their game of choice is already selected. They made up their mind which game they are going to try. IF that game turns them off, then they just won't buy a basketball game period.

Quote: Originally Posted by Carrington618

and if i came across a bare bone demo i dont think i would get that game

Case in point about your lines of reasoning. I find it astounding that you would do that JUST because the demo is gimped, which EVERY agrees is the case with 2K11. So, forget improved gameplay (which it shows), forget improved graphics (which it shows), forget every improvement you would care about said game - you would walk away because the demo is limited???

Wow! I just have to say that you are a unique individual to say the least and that I would bet that MOST people (by a wide margin) will not think the way you do. But that's just my opinion.

Quote: Originally Posted by Carrington618

so yall mean to tell me that people(not all) dont chose a game base off the demo

If you even attempted to read my posts and not get all defensive, you would have read the part where I said people don't JUST make that decision based on the demo. And given the demographic you highlighted - new users - I stated they are new because something drew them to the genre. And whether it was Jordan or Jam, that decision on which one to buy is already made. Why is that such an inflammatory concept to you?

[jr2424]

Quote: Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz

Which is it? If they are casual, then they won't really notice any real change. They'll just look at the lighting and how it all animates, and go from there. In that regard, the demo will only add to the hype. That's IF you believe that the casual person isn't savvy enough to find out what changes are really there...

If they're casual, I would assume they didn't get last year's game. If you get an NBA game year after year then you're not casual. By that definition, they won't notice how tight the controls are this year compared to the last two. They won't notice the foot planting and all the strides 2k made with the suctioning.

I don't understand why everyone is so offended with this thinking. This is by far the most stripped-down demo I've ever seen. For hardcore fans like us, it serves its purpose. But like I said before, we were already on board. I think casual fans would at like to -- I don't know -- maybe play as the Celtics. How about two quarters?

And because people are so sensitive I love the gameplay. Think it's the best basketball game I've ever played. But that doesn't mean I can't find fault with something 2k did. I think the demo should have more than this. I don't think anyone can really argue that point.

[ThaGenecyst]

Quote: Originally Posted by Carrington618

bollerbuzz sounds like a fanboy. i play the demo's of the game to see if all the hype is real. i demo before i buy so the demo is important. Now all this reading i have done an all da czar videos i watch lets me know that 2k will kill EA's this years but everybody doesn't look for info on a game they try it outDemo B4 they spend that $60). And there will be plenty of people who never played video game ball an people who just got there system that base the purchase on the demo. bac to the aa stuff i ben playing video game ball since double dribble on the nes to laker vs celtics with only 8 teams with real players(1989) to tecmo(snes) b-ball fisrt game with a season. up to 2k (1) dreamcast fisrt on-line console b-ball game. come to think of it there are plenty of poeple on this site that never played a basket ball game and maybe they want to try it out so they play the demos. me i never played FIFA so i would demo fifa and the competition to see witch one i like the best. and if i came across a bare bone demo i dont think i would get that game

[rudeworld]

Quote: Originally Posted by michaeljordanjr

NBA 2K fans will disregard the condition of the demo and buy the game 9 times out of 10. Sports fans that never played a basketball game before that try the demo will get a stripped back experience. An experience that represents 20% of the actual full retail game. In what world would a marketing team choose to present 20% of a product within 4 minutes? Do commercials spend 30 seconds trying to make you guess what their product can do, throwing hints along the way? No, within a small time frame, you need to present your product to its utmost potential. Because you dont know if youll get another shot at $65 with the customer. That is why I take this personal. I've bought 2K games in the past as all of you have. I've seen them climb insurmountable odds to become #1 right now and year after year they dont go the distance as far as DEMO'S are concerned. I dont care about video marketing or blogs. The demo is the deciding factor for a lot of people both fans and NBA newcomers. They have Michael Jeffery Jordan, they have NOTHING to worry about, they should give us the world with the 2K11 demo. So what is the elusive reason, that none of you care to touch upon, which drives 2K to give you half an experience within a 4 minute timeframe? I'm looking for logic, rationale, anything on this simple inquiry...

I dont know how old you are but the 1st bat man movie was advertised by only showing the batman insignia... with 0 movie clip.... we got a demo/preview of what to come..... its a feel of the new controls and when it is released it will sell with all the commercials and magazine advertisements people will know about the game and will know.....its the basketball game to get... "the one with jordan on the cover".....

the demo is doing its part....part of the advertisement because were talking about the game.

[LingeringRegime]

I was sad that you could only play as the Lakers, but by NO means will that turn me away from this game. All it has done is left me shaking for the retail copy.

This game is looking like a strong contender for my S.G.O.T.Y. award. With PES 2011 and NHL 11 in the mix.

[godsgift2dagame]

Hey guys,

I'm sorry if I came off as a jackass. Last night, my fiancee and I decided to call it quits. She's always been a bit aggressive and angry when we had spats, but yesterday I called it off.

The reason stems from the fact that I told her I wouldn't be able to pick her up from the airport on the 5th of October because the game was coming out. I'd rather stay at home playing 2K11 (and save 300 miles of gas) while she takes the bus. Unfortunately, she thought I was idiotic and decided to explode on me.

So again, sorry if I rude...

[michaeljordanjr]

Quote: Originally Posted by rudeworld

I dont know how old you are but the 1st bat man movie was advertised by only showing the batman insignia... with 0 movie clip.... we got a demo/preview of what to come..... its a feel of the new controls and when it is released it will sell with all the commercials and magazine advertisements people will know about the game and will know.....its the basketball game to get... "the one with jordan on the cover"..... the demo is doing its part....part of the advertisement because were talking about the game.

I remember that. That's a teaser. A trailer is longer and more in depth. A commercial is a 30 second video advertisement and a game demo is ...well I dont see the point of arguing syntax...

If people know its the game to get, as I said previously it has Jordan, what does the marketing team have to lose by keeping features in?

This demo won't turn away fans. It may confuse new customers. That's why I ask, what is the point of stripping it down? Most of the people downloading it are the core base customers, why not give them a treat like other companies are doing? Obviously this strategy is exclusive to 2K, show me another sports title this stripped down.

So if you cant figure out whats going on in the mind of the marketing team, don't knock down those of us whom find issue with this unnecessary and uncalled for stripped down demo.

[Day_26]

Does anybody know if a new Czar video is coming out tonight?