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MLB '10: The Show Rosters: OS Full Minors V.2

11:01 PM - May 27, 2010 by Knight165

Notes:

-All players (my players) are completed.....updated with faces....updated ratings...numbers. I randomized stances and in the instances I knew an actual stance...I added it.
-I did not get a chance to put Struts NEW stances he sent me yet. (the set contains his original updated stances)
-I did the most common lineups for the MLB teams from Baseball Reference. In some cases I just used "common sense" (what little I have left)
-I let the CPU dictate the minor league lineups/rotations
-I did not use the "extra" A rated player. It is Grant Desme of the Oakland A's and heard the higher calling and left the game. It is him on the FA list....so you're choice....give him his name...and put him back on Oakland....or make him the player of your choice
-I tried to get in as many requests as possible
-The Futures game starters look great for the most part...but for whatever reason...there are still some USA players being put on the World team. I cannot figure it out.
-I tried and succeeded for the most part in getting the AAA teams perfect
-Some of the early AL teams might have changed since I did them....heck...even some of the NL teams might be like that...there is a lot of minor league movement.

Link for download:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/amjetb

On Sportsconnect:

O.S. FullMinorsv2

Of course....this would have been impossible this year without Ridin'...and KSig who really set the table and came through big time with this set this year.

Also thanks to Strut.....Mr Franchise....Razr....JaSnake...and the countless others who supplied us with info, which is invaluable to a project like this. As it is....it can be overwhelming at times.....having resources to pluck from is a GREAT help.

30 Team Roster Control Knight V2 Franchise File with DL, Lineups & Rosters Set

Play Ball!

M.K.
Knight165

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OS Full Minors V3

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Originally Posted by Knight165


	Okay....I'm pretty bummed about my Flyers losing in OT to the g(sh)itty Blackholes....but....... Here is v3 with the updates to v2.1 on it. I also got in some of the other changes...spelling...Zack Jackson dupe....some secondary position changes...etc. It is up in the vault as O.S.F.M.v3PitchEd Here is the link for direct download....enjoy!....http://www.sendspace.com/file/2g2zrl I realized after upload...that I forgot Mike Lamb. Use the D rated player on the FA list. Sorry. M.K. Knight165

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# 521 RAZRr1275 @ 06/10/10 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean3790


	I'm still confused on what the pitch edits have done. I see most of the regular real-life players have different pitches now too (Oliver Perez, Mike Pelfrey, etc.). How did the guy who edited this (Razr?) find this info? I am wondering if it is entirely accurate as it seems a little drastic in some cases. Thanks guys.

Yeah the pitch edits are done. They gave accurate info to mlb players. 60ft6in.com and fangraphs along with other sources were used.

# 522 hope4bob @ 06/10/10 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RAZRr1275


	Yeah the pitch edits are done. They gave accurate info to mlb players. 60ft6in.com and fangraphs along with other sources were used.

When your sources just say "fastball" without saying 2seam or 4seam how
do you decide which one to use?

C.C. Sabathia, for example, now has a 2seamer not 4. I think the SCEA
version had him throwing a pretty streight 4seamer. Haven't gone back to
older roster to verify this, just by memory.

These rosters are absolutely amazing. Playing 30 team control playing
the Yankees. I turned off injuries and skipped Spring Training then
turned injuries back on so I'd still have the same players for opening day.

So how do you decide?

Thanks for the hard work.

Bob

# 523 SoonerSports @ 06/10/10 03:38 PM

have these been put up for download yet?? On the Vault at least?

# 524 M11x @ 06/10/10 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SoonerSports


	have these been put up for download yet?? On the Vault at least?

Check the first post of this thread. The download link to v.3 is listed at the bottom.

# 525 Clarityman @ 06/10/10 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RAZRr1275


	Yeah the pitch edits are done. They gave accurate info to mlb players. 60ft6in.com and fangraphs along with other sources were used.

Amazing job on these, to all involved. First, let me thank you for all the hard work that's gone into these rosters.

That said, I wanted to express concern with some of the edits, especially to Red Sox pitchers. Why does Daniel Bard have a curve instead of a changeup? I haven't seen him throw a curve in the majors once.

And Okajima doesn't have a circle change? That's his signature pitch! I see maybe you're using the splitter as a substitute, but his change clearly breaks down and away, and he uses that in addition to the split.

Matsuzaka having a 50-something stamina rating is just wrong. The reason he only lasts until the 5th is because he nibbles so much, so he reaches 100+ pitch count early in the game most of the time. But almost every outing he goes over 100 pitches. If anything he should have normal stamina, and very low control.

Others seem so perfect it's ridiculous. Halladay's set is 100% perfect, IMO. I liked Barry Zito's a lot. But others have me discouraged and thinking I may go back to v.2.1.

Is there any way pitches can be tweaked before v.4? Maybe a thread could be set up for suggestions to tweak pitch edits. Please respond, as if this is not a possibility I'd like to start my 'chise with 2.1. Thanks in advance, and please do not take offense to my comments. I have the utmost respect for everyone who put so much time and effort into this set, I thank you for all your hard work.

# 526 SoonerSports @ 06/10/10 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Volkswagen3


	Check the first post of this thread. The download link to v.3 is listed at the bottom.

I tried that last night and couldn't get it to work...

EDIT: got it the second time

# 527 bigjdotcom01 @ 06/10/10 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Clarityman


	Amazing job on these, to all involved. First, let me thank you for all the hard work that's gone into these rosters. That said, I wanted to express concern with some of the edits, especially to Red Sox pitchers. Why does Daniel Bard have a curve instead of a changeup? I haven't seen him throw a curve in the majors once. And Okajima doesn't have a circle change? That's his signature pitch! I see maybe you're using the splitter as a substitute, but his change clearly breaks down and away, and he uses that in addition to the split. Matsuzaka having a 50-something stamina rating is just wrong. The reason he only lasts until the 5th is because he nibbles so much, so he reaches 100+ pitch count early in the game most of the time. But almost every outing he goes over 100 pitches. If anything he should have normal stamina, and very low control. Others seem so perfect it's ridiculous. Halladay's set is 100% perfect, IMO. I liked Barry Zito's a lot. But others have me discouraged and thinking I may go back to v.2.1. Is there any way pitches can be tweaked before v.4? Maybe a thread could be set up for suggestions to tweak pitch edits. Please respond, as if this is not a possibility I'd like to start my 'chise with 2.1. Thanks in advance, and please do not take offense to my comments. I have the utmost respect for everyone who put so much time and effort into this set, I thank you for all your hard work.

Just saying.....you could download V3 and then do some of your own pitch edits....

# 528 CFav @ 06/10/10 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjdotcom01


	Just saying.....you could download V3 and then do some of your own pitch edits....

As a true BoSox fan, I'd love for that too happen...

# 529 gkasper @ 06/10/10 05:03 PM

Please don't complain about the pitch edits. Razr does a lot of research to edit pitches. Some pitches are changed but they emulate how the actual pitcher pitches in real life. I know that most of us were incredibly satisfied with the edits last year. Don't rain on the parade man.

At least clarityman was making suggestions about how to improve some players with intelligent observations. If you are just going to say "hey this guy's pitches changed!

C'mon what do you think pitch edits are. If you don't like it that is why there is a version 2 and a version 3.

Thanks for the pitch edits Razr! I am getting sooooooo excited. Still waiting for version 4...

# 530 Yankee2441 @ 06/10/10 05:10 PM

JASnake I was wondering how you go about making your edits for version 4. What attributes do you most often make changes to, and about what percentage of SCEA players would you say you change? Thanks and your work is greatly appreciated.

# 531 gocubsgo @ 06/10/10 05:11 PM

BIG Thanks to knight & Co. for all your hard work! you guys are making this game 100x better for everyone thanks to these rosters!!

Just a quick question for Strut, do you think your "V.3 update" will be finished tonight? I'm asking this because idk if I should just download the current one now and go from there or just wait for your update THX in advance.

# 532 Clarityman @ 06/10/10 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjdotcom01


	Just saying.....you could download V3 and then do some of your own pitch edits....

Well of course! But that's not the point.

The point is, the roster makers at OS, and most of the site's members, care about realism and accuracy. As a Red Sox fan, it's disconcerting to think that people will be getting a somewhat inaccurate experience when they play as or against my team. I'm sure a diehard fan of another team would feel the same way!

As I said before, I still really respect pope and Razr for what they've put together here, as using some of the pitchers (like Roy Halladay) is a blast with the edits. I'm just pointing out some issues.

# 533 Clarityman @ 06/10/10 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gkasper


	Please don't complain about the pitch edits. Razr does a lot of research to edit pitches. Some pitches are changed but they emulate how the actual pitcher pitches in real life. I know that most of us were incredibly satisfied with the edits last year. Don't rain on the parade man. At least clarityman was making suggestions about how to improve some players with intelligent observations.

Thanks man.

I don't want my suggestions to come across the wrong way, so it's reassuring to see they're not being interpreted as ungrateful criticism.

I really think the set could benefit from user feedback between v3 and v4, but that's up to the awesome people who have been working on it.

# 534 Speedy @ 06/10/10 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Clarityman


	I really think the set could benefit from user feedback between v3 and v4, but that's up to the awesome people who have been working on it.

Here's your feedback thread:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ts-thread.html

It was created by RAZRr right when the game started so that's 3 months worth of possible suggestions and help you could've made.

# 535 JaSnake16 @ 06/10/10 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Yankee2441


	JASnake I was wondering how you go about making your edits for version 4. What attributes do you most often make changes to, and about what percentage of SCEA players would you say you change? Thanks and your work is greatly appreciated.

Hey dude. I use Bahnzo's roster tool and take a true 3 year average of the past 3 full seasons. I do not like the weighted method because it puts too much weight in the last season which could have been a down or anomaly year. I do make slight adjustments if necessary.

This year though I plan on tweaking the ratings to try to emulate this year a little more off of those prepared averages. Vernon Wells and Jose Bautista are the two biggest examples of players who will see large gains. I will also be applying ratings to pitchers for the first time which Razr does not do, like BB/9, HR/9, H/9 etc.

I will not be, however, touching Razr's pitch types / ratings unless asked by Razr. He does a tremendous job with his research and will not in any way manipulate his fine work. Razr if you see something that you might have overlooked send me a PM and Ill adjust.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoonerSports


	have these been put up for download yet?? On the Vault at least?

Knight, Dumb of me to ask the same thing. Is the DL the one updated with all of Struts work. If it is I can start the set tonight.

# 536 Clarityman @ 06/10/10 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy


	Here's your feedback thread: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ts-thread.html It was created by RAZRr right when the game started so that's 3 months worth of possible suggestions and help you could've made.

Comon', that thread is from months ago. I didn't even know about it. Cut a guy some slack.

And how can someone offer feedback before the set is released? I'm talking about, looking at the awesome work that has been done, and offering suggestions based on what has been created. That's something that can only be done after the set has been released.

For example, if there are any pitches that could be tweaked on the Mets, I'd like to know about it, but I wouldn't be able to offer that information because I don't watch the Mets very frequently.

# 537 RAZRr1275 @ 06/10/10 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clarityman


	Comon', that thread is from months ago. I didn't even know about it. Cut a guy some slack. And how can someone offer feedback before the set is released? I'm talking about, looking at the awesome work that has been done, and offering suggestions based on what has been created. That's something that can only be done after the set has been released. For example, if there are any pitches that could be tweaked on the Mets, I'd like to know about it, but I wouldn't be able to offer that information because I don't watch the Mets very frequently.

I will look into your concerns but he is right. That thread was created for people to offer things like changes in arsenal, signature pitches, things that would fans would know better than a scout on his website so there certainly was a chance for extra info to be presented. Those things can be mentioned before the set is released. Next year just play it safe. Assume that I know absolutely nothing about this stuff and mention it anyway.

EDIT: On Okajima my sources indicate a splitter or forkball and no changeup. On Bard, however, there is a seldom used changeup mentioned and I will get that added. On Daisuke I'll look into that further after bb/9 and things like that are edited for him

# 538 RAZRr1275 @ 06/10/10 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hope4bob


	When your sources just say "fastball" without saying 2seam or 4seam how do you decide which one to use? C.C. Sabathia, for example, now has a 2seamer not 4. I think the SCEA version had him throwing a pretty streight 4seamer. Haven't gone back to older roster to verify this, just by memory. These rosters are absolutely amazing. Playing 30 team control playing the Yankees. I turned off injuries and skipped Spring Training then turned injuries back on so I'd still have the same players for opening day. So how do you decide? Thanks for the hard work. Bob

The sources that were used usually give some indication as to how fastballs break. For instance they will say the fastball cuts, sinks and in which direction it goes down, etc. and those can be used to determine the pitch type. As you can see hardly anyone's fastball actually goes straight.

# 539 caseyj622 @ 06/10/10 05:55 PM

Hey guys....Great Job on the pitch edits!

Just curious...How did you come up with the stamina ratings for guy like ublado jiminez at 81 stamina? He throws 120 pitches with ease. Just wondered why it wouldn't be higher? thanks.

# 540 RAZRr1275 @ 06/10/10 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caseyj622


	Hey guys....Great Job on the pitch edits! Just curious...How did you come up with the stamina ratings for guy like ublado jiminez at 81 stamina? He throws 120 pitches with ease. Just wondered why it wouldn't be higher? thanks.

Stamina wasn't based on pitch count. It was based on this formula that Rod_Carew29 allowed me to use.

My formula:

for starters, I take their total innngs, divide by the number of game starts and add 10. If the guy has any complete games, I add 5 for each one.

So...

you have a guy who pitched 175.2 innings, 30 starts with 1 complete game

175.2 divided by 30 = 5.8 (which is 5.8 innings per start) + 10 = 6.8, which will become 68 (for our use) + 5 (for the complete game) = 73

* formula taken from this thread
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ost-cases.html

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