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07:23 AM - May 21, 2010 by wickedbadman

The Backbreaker demo is now available on the Marketplace. Post your impressions here.

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# 761 Demoncrom @ 05/24/10 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Illustrator76


	I appreciate your response, but you only chose to answer one part of one of my questions. If this game is so "sim", what about after-touch on the ball? That is totally unrealistic. You can argue that you don't have to use it, but: A.) That seems like a big component of the passing game and B.) I can say the same thing about including extra camera views that some people don't consider "sim". Also, I never once made a comparison to EA's football game and Backbreaker.

Like anything else Sim is relative, these are still video games so some advantages have to be given tot he player. The after touch at least in my opinion is only slight and not something new to football games, if I recall properly 2k5 had the ability to lead the pass or something of that nature. Does that make it any less sim?

As for the camera it's a matter of preference and lots of people are not going to like it. I don't mind it that much because it makes things more hectic for me, but even in Madden you cannot see all the receivers at the same time, if you go to shotgun and have 2 of the 4 receivers run outs you wont see either of them when they make the break, in that sense being able to focus your view at least for me actually feels better. Again some people just won't like it and to make sales they may have to add it in, online though I would say it should be one or the other - both players should use the same view, everyone gets the same disadvantage.

For people who like the game thus far but have issues with the camera I have found that the more you play it the more you get used to it,

Note for all on the running game. I am finding the running in this game to be more satisfaction than in Madden - for the most part the blocks that should be held up are being held and when Im running 2 tight ends against a 3-4 I know I have the advantage for a few quick yards - as I should.unless they got 4 great LBs back there.

# 762 Illustrator76 @ 05/24/10 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Demoncrom


	Like anything else Sim is relative, these are still video games so some advantages have to be given tot he player. The after touch at least in my opinion is only slight and not something new to football games, if I recall properly 2k5 had the ability to lead the pass or something of that nature. Does that make it any less sim? As for the camera it's a matter of preference and lots of people are not going to like it. I don't mind it that much because it makes things more hectic for me, but even in Madden you cannot see all the receivers at the same time, if you go to shotgun and have 2 of the 4 receivers run outs you wont see either of them when they make the break, in that sense being able to focus your view at least for me actually feels better. Again some people just won't like it and to make sales they may have to add it in, online though I would say it should be one or the other - both players should use the same view, everyone gets the same disadvantage. For people who like the game thus far but have issues with the camera I have found that the more you play it the more you get used to it, Note for all on the running game. I am finding the running in this game to be more satisfaction than in Madden - for the most part the blocks that should be held up are being held and when Im running 2 tight ends against a 3-4 I know I have the advantage for a few quick yards - as I should.unless they got 4 great LBs back there.

Yeah, but leading the pass is something totally different from manipulating the ball after it is thrown. My point is just that some things have to be done to keep a video game fun and playable, and the pro-camera guys can't understand that. Instead, most of them want to cover up for the Backbreaker devs because they so desperately want something to beat EA's football game. I have said it before and others have said it too: "The lack of camera options will kill Backbreakers appeal to the masses and may be the main reason why people won't even give the game a chance." On top of the fact that it's just a plain bad camera, especially on offense.

I just can't see how any reasonable thinking person can argue against OPTIONS, especially in this sports gaming world where we want full customization and sliders for EVERYTHING.....Lets be able to alter every aspect of a players contract, lets be able to set ticket prices, lets be able to alter uniform artwork, stadium artwork and rosters, lets be able to set hot dog prices, let's be able to change the gameplay camera view.......woah woah wait a minute, slow down there feller, NOW you are going too far. It doesn't make sense.

# 763 Illustrator76 @ 05/24/10 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by fldash


	So now we are dictating what is fun to other people based on what we like? To many the camera is FUN as it puts you in the action. To others it's not because it feels restrictive and annoying. That's just the way it goes, the camera won't change, the Devs have talked about the camera from the start saying that the game was designed around it. Unfortunately, some people won't like it, or get used to it, and they won't pay BB. That's no one's fault, just the nature of playing what you like.

I'm not dictating anything to anyone, I'm simply saying that options are good, and that you are not wrong for liking the camera and I am not wrong for hating it. There should be a solution that should appease us both; The Backbreaker devs severely dropped the ball on this one, and I feel that they are going to pay dearly for it. It sucks because the physics and graphics are very good and the game has potential.

# 764 turftickler @ 05/24/10 11:48 AM

Guys, after a considerable amount of playing the Backbreaker demo, I have come to a few conclusions regarding the camera mode. I will have my thoughts on the camera mode for you all soon.

I will let it be known to all. The camera mode needs to stay. WE just have to get used to it. I couldn't run to save my life last night, but I continued to practice running on every team in the demo and now I can hold my own. Another thing. Every game will have some sort of exploits, bugs, glitches, but from what I have seen and felt so far with the BB demo, I am flat out loving it, issues and all.

My question is. Do you want realistic football or do you want to be able to control everything from a camera that shows everything and everyone. If want the God-view or birds eye view camera, the play a different game. I want real football and I finally have it after ESPN NFL 2k5.

# 765 Demoncrom @ 05/24/10 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Illustrator76


	Yeah, but leading the pass is something totally different from manipulating the ball after it is thrown. My point is just that some things have to be done to keep a video game fun and playable, and the pro-camera guys can't understand that. Instead, most of them want to cover up for the Backbreaker devs because they so desperately want something to beat EA's football game. I have said it before and others have said it too: "The lack of camera options will kill Backbreakers appeal to the masses and may be the main reason why people won't even give the game a chance." On top of the fact that it's just a plain bad camera, especially on offense. I just can't see how any reasonable thinking person can argue against OPTIONS, especially in this sports gaming world where we want full customization and sliders for EVERYTHING.....Lets be able to alter every aspect of a players contract, lets be able to set ticket prices, lets be able to alter uniforms artwork, stadiums artwork and rosters, lets be able to set hot dog prices, let's be able to change the gameplay camera view.......woah woah wait a minute, slow down there feller, NOW you are going too far. it doesn't make sense.

Point well taken, I can see why some people will not play it just because of the camera angle.

On the other hand I am a big fan of Football in general I can't get enough of the stuff, but I am also a gamer and have been for a long time. I usually buy NCAA to play for a month before Madden hits only because the style of college ball differs from pro. I play Madden during the season cause I want my Bears to win the title every year and Madden is the only game in town but it's not always the most fun game in town. Then I go back to All Pro 8 during the off season because to me it's a fun game, back breaker will replace Ap8 in my rotation this year.

I remember when Madden tried to play with the cam angle and everyone said go back to the classic view. I also remember when the isometric view was the only way to play football and it took people a while to accept Maddens view. BB to me takes 2k4s failed on field 1st person view and Madden very boring Superstar modes and makes it into a playable game.

The sad thing about people not wanting to learn how to play other football games or not willing to accept a change is that it limits the options for all of us. In the end - a game like BB if successful will give EA yet another reason to get off the pot. I am all for that.

Based on the number or lack of players on these forums and the range of comments and lack of advertising BB is going to have an uphill road - but me Im buying it 1st day and I will put all my peoples on to it, just like I did with 2k and Gameday before that.

# 766 Illustrator76 @ 05/24/10 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by turftickler


	Guys, after a considerable amount of playing the Backbreaker demo, I have come to a few conclusions regarding the camera mode. I will have my thoughts on the camera mode for you all soon. I will let it be known to all. The camera mode needs to stay. WE just have to get used to it. I couldn't run to save my life last night, but I continued to practice running on every team in the demo and now I can hold my own. Another thing. Every game will have some sort of exploits, bugs, glitches, but from what I have seen and felt so far with the BB demo, I am flat out loving it, issues and all. My question is. Do you want realistic football or do you want to be able to control everything from a camera that shows everything and everyone. If want the God-view or birds eye view camera, the play a different game. I want real football and I finally have it after ESPN NFL 2k5.

Can we please get off of this God-view camera crap?, I'm so sick of these OS follower "pop-culture" words that I'm going to puke. I mean you can't see one pro-Backbreaker camera post without it having "God Cam" in it....OS "pop-culture" really sickens me sometimes.

# 767 NoDakHusker @ 05/24/10 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Illustrator76


	Yeah, but leading the pass is something totally different from manipulating the ball after it is thrown. My point is just that some things have to be done to keep a video game fun and playable, and the pro-camera guys can't understand that. Instead, most of them want to cover up for the Backbreaker devs because they so desperately want something to beat EA's football game. I have said it before and others have said it too: "The lack of camera options will kill Backbreakers appeal to the masses and may be the main reason why people won't even give the game a chance." On top of the fact that it's just a plain bad camera, especially on offense. I just can't see how any reasonable thinking person can argue against OPTIONS, especially in this sports gaming world where we want full customization and sliders for EVERYTHING.....Lets be able to alter every aspect of a players contract, lets be able to set ticket prices, lets be able to alter uniforms artwork, stadiums artwork and rosters, lets be able to set hot dog prices, let's be able to change the gameplay camera view.......woah woah wait a minute, slow down there feller, NOW you are going too far. it doesn't make sense.

Of course, who doesn't want options? I like the camera, but having options doesn't hurt. But you have to face reality, it has been made clear by the developers that this is the camera they are sticking with. You can't please everyone all the time.
To say that "pro camera guys don't understand fun" and "they want to beat EA" is ignorant. You're assuming that everyone who likes the camera is that way and you're completely wrong about that.
I'm not defending the devs, I'm stating facts that have come straight from them.
You have to realize that this is it. Take it or leave it.

# 768 Illustrator76 @ 05/24/10 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Demoncrom


	Point well taken, I can see why some people will not play it just because of the camera angle. On the other hand I am a big fan of Football in general I can't get enough of the stuff, but I am also a gamer and have been for a long time. I usually buy NCAA to play for a month before Madden hits only because the style of college ball differs from pro. I play Madden during the season cause I want my Bears to win the title every year and Madden is the only game in town but it's not always the most fun game in town. Then I go back to All Pro 8 during the off season because to me it's a fun game, back breaker will replace Ap8 in my rotation this year. I remember when Madden tried to play with the cam angle and everyone said go back to the classic view. I also remember when the isometric view was the only way to play football and it took people a while to accept Maddens view. BB to me takes 2k4s failed on field 1st person view and Madden very boring Superstar modes and makes it into a playable game. The sad thing about people not wanting to learn how to play other football games or not willing to accept a change is that it limits the options for all of us. In the end - a game like BB if successful will give EA yet another reason to get off the pot. I am all for that. Based on the number or lack of players on these forums and the range of comments and lack of advertising BB is going to have an uphill road - but me Im buying it 1st day and I will put all my peoples on to it, just like I did with 2k and Gameday before that.

Here is where I disagree, just because it's "change" doesn't mean that: A.) It's good, or B.) I have to like it. Change for changes sake is nothing but that.

# 769 spankdatazz22 @ 05/24/10 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Illustrator76


	Instead, most of them want to cover up for the Backbreaker devs because they so desperately want something to beat EA's football game.

It's really not competing with Madden. If anything it seems opposite to what you said - people that want the broadcast/full field view want it to play more like Madden than accepting the devs focus was on trying to bring gamers a new experience, and the camera was integral to that. If you look at the dev diaries they talk specifically to the issue, and explain why they took the route they took and what they were trying to accomplish.

Without the licenses, no game is going to compete with Madden or NCAA - none. And imo it's wrong to put that expectation on a small developer's first attempt at an unlicensed football game. But it seems because the BB devs are bringing much-needed innovation to the football genre that Tiburon hasn't brought for the past 5-6yrs, people want the game to make up for Madden/NCAA's deficiencies - when that's something BB was never intended to be. If this game is still around 5yrs from now I seriously doubt it would have anything approaching the ability to alter contracts, set hot dog prices, etc. Obviously that's something some people want, but I get the feeling that's not anything close to what the BB devs are interested in achieving.

# 770 Illustrator76 @ 05/24/10 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ndhusker90


	Of course, who doesn't want options? I like the camera, but having options doesn't hurt. But you have to face reality, it has been made clear by the developers that this is the camera they are sticking with. You can't please everyone all the time. To say that "pro camera guys don't understand fun" and "they want to beat EA" is ignorant. You're assuming that everyone who likes the camera is that way and you're completely wrong about that. I'm not defending the devs, I'm stating facts that have come straight from them. You have to realize that this is it. Take it or leave it.

You missed my point. What is fun and playable to you camera wise (especially in sports titles), may not be fun and playable to me, so why not give us camera options? I do stand by my other comment, I can see plain as day (especially from the numerous "God-cam" posts) that there are some pro-camera people that will support every aspect of this game just because they are so anti-EA and they want there to be another legit contender to their football franchises.

# 771 NoDakHusker @ 05/24/10 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Illustrator76


	You missed my point. What is fun and playable to you camera wise (especially in sports titles), may not be fun and playable to me, so why not give us camera options? I do stand by my other comment, I can see plain as day (especially from the numerous "God-cam" posts) that there are some pro-camera people that will support every aspect of this game just because they are so anti-EA and want there to be another legit contender to their football franchises.

That's fine, I see what you were saying now. I totally agree that options are great...but unfortunately that is not the case.
This game is not without it's flaws, but I'm willing to give it a try. It's something new and it brings unique things to the table. But that won't stop me from buying other football titles this year, especially if this game fails.

# 772 Illustrator76 @ 05/24/10 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by spankdatazz22


	It's really not competing with Madden. If anything it seems opposite to what you said - people that want the broadcast/full field view want it to play more like Madden than accepting the devs focus was on trying to bring gamers a new experience, and the camera was integral to that. If you look at the dev diaries they talk specifically to the issue, and explain why they took the route they took and what they were trying to accomplish. Without the licenses, no game is going to compete with Madden or NCAA - none. And imo it's wrong to put that expectation on a small developer's first attempt at an unlicensed football game. But it seems because the BB devs are bringing much-needed innovation to the football genre that Tiburon hasn't brought for the past 5-6yrs, people want the game to make up for Madden/NCAA's deficiencies - when that's something BB was never intended to be. If this game is still around 5yrs from now I seriously doubt it would have anything approaching the ability to alter contracts, set hot dog prices, etc. Obviously that's something people want, but I get the feeling that's not anything close to what the BB devs are interested in achieving.

I agree with most of your points, and to be clear, I'm not an EA Football fan either and I have never compared those games to Backbreaker. I am just stating what seems to be the feeling I get. A lot of the pro-Backbreaker camera guys keep throwing Madden and "God Cam" out there, and saying how this aspect and that aspect blow Madden out the water. I have never compared any other football games to Backbreaker.

# 773 Radja @ 05/24/10 12:24 PM

i am sold. i need to convince my wife to spend $50 on a game when i have so many others.

the passing feels right to me right from the beginning. it is hard, but with practice it will feel like you achieved something when you do.

i intercepted a pass the first time i tried zone coverage. the next game i took my guy out of his zone and they made a 3rd and long.

i love the fact the players yell pass when the ball is in the air.

i like the camera angle on defense. yeah you miss the watching the play when you follow your assigned path, but it feels a lot like the helmet cam with 2k5.

running is very very cool.

# 774 TheWatcher @ 05/24/10 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spankdatazz22


	It's really not competing with Madden. If anything it seems opposite to what you said - people that want the broadcast/full field view want it to play more like Madden than accepting the devs focus was on trying to bring gamers a new experience, and the camera was integral to that. If you look at the dev diaries they talk specifically to the issue, and explain why they took the route they took and what they were trying to accomplish. Without the licenses, no game is going to compete with Madden or NCAA - none. And imo it's wrong to put that expectation on a small developer's first attempt at an unlicensed football game. But it seems because the BB devs are bringing much-needed innovation to the football genre that Tiburon hasn't brought for the past 5-6yrs, people want the game to make up for Madden/NCAA's deficiencies - when that's something BB was never intended to be. If this game is still around 5yrs from now I seriously doubt it would have anything approaching the ability to alter contracts, set hot dog prices, etc. Obviously that's something some people want, but I get the feeling that's not anything close to what the BB devs are interested in achieving.

This is all true. I'd been saying this to people here for a long time now, that they can't expect BB on it's first try to correct all the problems of other franchises. I am a bit surprised to see some of the biggest supporters of BB (and I'm talking RABID supporters) calling it quits on this game. But I think what it is, is that now people see the reality, and the reality isn't in line with their expectations.

I'm guilty of the same mentality with APF. I like many other serious 2K guys were hoping for the second-coming, lol, and we weren't trying to hear any different. When it didn't happen the way we expected, a lot of us were left in disbelief. This time around with BackBreaker, I came in with a more realistic expectation, and honestly it's met my expectation in terms of what they're trying to achieve.

The foundation of this product is so solid, that the sky is really the limit for them, they just have to stay the course and make it to the next installment. I put it that way because I have a very strong feeling that it's about to get brutal for them. I just hope they can handle what's coming better than 2K did, because 2K was demoralized. Some of the things they said post APF's release just made you feel sorry for them. I just hope that doesn't happen with NM.

# 775 catcatch22 @ 05/24/10 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Illustrator76


	You missed my point. What is fun and playable to you camera wise (especially in sports titles), may not be fun and playable to me, so why not give us camera options? I do stand by my other comment, I can see plain as day (especially from the numerous "God-cam" posts) that there are some pro-camera people that will support every aspect of this game just because they are so anti-EA and they want there to be another legit contender to their football franchises.

I've posted several games outside of football that have traded in the "traditional" camera of their genre to try something new and different and put a new next gen take on their game. Many of them were very successful in doing so. Your reasons are that well everyone else does it. No one put up as much of a vehement struggle against those ideas as much as you guys have with this. Unfortunately you don't like the decision and you have made it clear that it is not for you. This is not a Madden, All Pro replacement. They don't want it to be. They want it to be it's own game on it's own style and create a game that is totally different than those in the past even though they are doing the same sport.

Your reasoning is akin to "why would they make an arcade coin up racing game with only one cockpit view when every other racing games has had multiple views" - F355 challenge did and it was very successful and popular though expensive. Or "why would you make a 3D fight game when 2D is the way to go" Tekken - Virtua Fighter both had interesting takes on the traditional 2D side scroll fighting genre. Or better yet "why make a 3D platformer be in first person only" Mirrors Edge.

They have a vision for how they want this version of the game to be played. This is not a remake of the recent football games. It is trying to be it's own game not what the others are. I respect them for what they are trying to do and can easily see why they are doing it. If there was not change we would still be using the old school madden passing windows from the genesis days or did you disagree vehemently against removing those as well.

# 776 RaiderKtulu @ 05/24/10 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Illustrator76


	I agree with most of your points, and to be clear, I'm not an EA Football fan either and I have never compared those games to Backbreaker. I am just stating what seems to be the feeling I get. A lot of the pro-Backbreaker camera guys keep throwing Madden and "God Cam" out there, and saying how this aspect and that aspect blow Madden out the water. I have never compared any other football games to Backbreaker.

We (ok, at least -I-) call it God Cam because you can see everything...like a god. It's not a slam at Madden in particular. I can't think of a single football game released after 1995 that didn't use the "God Cam". They've ALL used it. And it was a big improvement over the view that was used previous to it - the Tecmo Bowl view, which had the huge disadvantage of not being able to see downfield.

I think that Backbreaker's camera, with just a tiny little bit of tweaking (ability to look left & right without changing your running direction, for example), is the future of "simulation" football. It was disorienting at first, but after a few games, I've gotten mostly used to it, and I like it. As far as arguing against options... I honestly feel that the Madden/2k/Fever/Gameday view is a nostalgic holdover to the past and just serves to hold everyone back. It's just like auto-aim in an FPS. If you continue to rely on it, you're never actually going to get better... and the guy that doesn't use it is going to destroy you. Backbreaker's camera makes you go through progressions and look at your receivers - like reality. If you're looking right, you don't see the guy on the left getting open. You have to know what your play is and know who you should be throwing to. That, is far more realistic to me than being able to look at the whole field and throw it to whoever happens to get open. That alone is enough of a reason for me to say that the old view doesn't need to be put in.

Yes, that means it's going to turn off some people. The devs knew that from the start and it's the decision they chose to make. I'd rather see them keep their integrity and produce the game they wanted to make, rather than caving to "the masses", who, quite frankly, suck. Catering to the masses doesn't always lead to a quality product. Try too hard to please everybody...and you can easily please nobody.

# 777 StormJH1 @ 05/24/10 12:52 PM

The camera (even more than the licensing issues) is probably going to be the biggest barrier to people adopting this game. In some ways (play selection, simplicity of controls, etc.), Backbreaker is meant to be a casual, pick-up-and-play game. In other ways, it's about the hardest of hardcore sports games imaginable (you are actually forced to follow the play visually with your player and respond). I'm actually amazed at how well they've done it on the first try, especially compared to things like 2k5's 1st person cam, or the Madden Be a Pro mode (which I never liked).

I really like the demo, and may actually buy this game next week. However, as I play it more, there are things about the gameplay that concern me, particularly the interceptions. They seem to happen all the time on both sides of the ball, and as a QB, if you thought you were throwing into coverage by accident a lot in MADDEN, I can only imagine how many times I'll fail to see the linebacker with this camera, and chuck it right into his numbers.

# 778 mgoblue678 @ 05/24/10 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by StormJH1


	The camera (even more than the licensing issues) is probably going to be the biggest barrier to people adopting this game. In some ways (play selection, simplicity of controls, etc.), Backbreaker is meant to be a casual, pick-up-and-play game. In other ways, it's about the hardest of hardcore sports games imaginable (you are actually forced to follow the play visually with your player and respond). I'm actually amazed at how well they've done it on the first try, especially compared to things like 2k5's 1st person cam, or the Madden Be a Pro mode (which I never liked). I really like the demo, and may actually buy this game next week. However, as I play it more, there are things about the gameplay that concern me, particularly the interceptions. They seem to happen all the time on both sides of the ball, and as a QB, if you thought you were throwing into coverage by accident a lot in MADDEN, I can only imagine how many times I'll fail to see the linebacker with this camera, and chuck it right into his numbers.

I am more concerned about the CPU offense. The human player can always adjust and get better. The CPU offense can not in a sense that you are stuck with how it was programmed.

# 779 catcatch22 @ 05/24/10 12:58 PM

The ratings are a bit skewed for a lot of the players, and even though we won't have sliders we will be able to adjust the ratings of the players to help limit or raise the amount Int's and other areas we so choose by using the player ratings as sliders themselves.

If not the ratings and it is a pure AI issue we can hope we get a patch that alleviates the issue. I would still play and enjoy it anyway. NHL 10 has horrible AI yet I play it constantly because of the great online play. When I mean NHL 10 AI is bad it is bad!

# 780 Illustrator76 @ 05/24/10 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by catcatch22


	I've posted several games outside of football that have traded in the "traditional" camera of their genre to try something new and different and put a new next gen take on their game. Many of them were very successful in doing so. Your reasons are that well everyone else does it. No one put up as much of a vehement struggle against those ideas as much as you guys have with this. Unfortunately you don't like the decision and you have made it clear that it is not for you. This is not a Madden, All Pro replacement. They don't want it to be. They want it to be it's own game on it's own style and create a game that is totally different than those in the past even though they are doing the same sport. Your reasoning is akin to "why would they make an arcade coin up racing game with only one cockpit view when every other racing games has had multiple views" - F355 challenge did and it was very successful and popular though expensive. Or "why would you make a 3D fight game when 2D is the way to go" Tekken - Virtua Fighter both had interesting takes on the traditional 2D side scroll fighting genre. Or better yet "why make a 3D platformer be in first person only" Mirrors Edge. They have a vision for how they want this version of the game to be played. This is not a remake of the recent football games. It is trying to be it's own game not what the others are. I respect them for what they are trying to do and can easily see why they are doing it. If there was not change we would still be using the old school madden passing windows from the genesis days or did you disagree vehemently against removing those as well.

My point is simply that we need options. All of the most acclaimed sports games have multiple cameras, that is simply undeniable and any argument otherwise is insidious. If by change you mean limiting peoples options (be it camera or otherwise), then NO I don't want that kind of change. I don't want terrible cameras forced down my throat so that I can "adapt" to playing on a crappy camera for the sake of "realism". Also, Madden passing windows were replaced by.....wait for it....MULTIPLE CAMERA OPTIONS, so your argument there rings hollow. Also, if they made 3D fighting games in a weird first person view, it wouldn't have worked, they work because you can see and feel everything going on around you while playing the game...unlike Backbreaker.

I really don't even know why I jumped back in to this discussion....it's pointless. It'll be interesting to see how the game sells and what the reasons are if it sells well/poorly. Then we can truly gauge whether the devs decisions were right or wrong.

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